Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-22 Thread Gionatan Danti

Il 2021-06-22 02:34 Gordon Messmer ha scritto:

CentOS Stream is not a rolling release.  It gets "rolling updates,"
but that just means that there are no point releases within a major
release, and that updates aren't delayed in order to group rebased
packages together at 6 month intervals.


Hi Gordon,
yeah, I used the term "rolling release" in a too-broad sense - I was 
really referring to "rolling updates", sorry for the confusion.


Still I think my point applies: if metadata for security updates were 
not provided before, it now seems even less probable than the CentOS 
team will provide such information, as the maintainers are facing a 
continuous stream of updates.


But hey - happy to be proven wrong!
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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Gordon Messmer

On 6/21/21 4:53 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote:
Historically the CentOS team refused to provide such metadata due to 
the added work required. Now with Stream, and the demise of classic 
CentOS, security updates are even less probable (ie: a rolling release 
is often wholly updated). 



CentOS Stream is not a rolling release.  It gets "rolling updates," but 
that just means that there are no point releases within a major release, 
and that updates aren't delayed in order to group rebased packages 
together at 6 month intervals.



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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Simon Matter
> Sorry, I forgot to mention that I am using CENTOS 7.
> This should receive the Red Hat Update cycle releases until 2024, right?

Yes, but if you only want to install security related updates, you have to
select the packages on your own because CentOS doesn't provide such
metadata.

Regards,
Simon

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> Il 2021-06-21 13:34 Pete Biggs ha scritto:
>> CentOS does not provide the metadata to allow the --security flag to
>> work.
>
> Right.
>
>> It doesn't provide it because that information from Redhat is
>> proprietary and not open source.
>
> This is not my understanding. From what I can see, updates which patches
> CVEs are freely readable on Red Has site. For example:
> CVE: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2021-3156
> UPDATE: https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0221
>
> Historically the CentOS team refused to provide such metadata due to the
> added work required. Now with Stream, and the demise of classic CentOS,
> security updates are even less probable (ie: a rolling release is often
> wholly updated).
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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Lange, Markus
Hi,

freely does not imply free to redistribute. Of course these
informations are available from various sources which allow
redistribution, but it takes time to aggregate them - time that someone
need to spend doing the necessary research.

best regards,
Markus

On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 13:53 +0200, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-06-21 13:34 Pete Biggs ha scritto:
> > CentOS does not provide the metadata to allow the --security flag
> > to
> > work.
> 
> Right.
> 
> > It doesn't provide it because that information from Redhat is
> > proprietary and not open source.
> 
> This is not my understanding. From what I can see, updates which
> patches 
> CVEs are freely readable on Red Has site. For example:
> CVE: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2021-3156
> UPDATE: https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0221
> 
> Historically the CentOS team refused to provide such metadata due to
> the 
> added work required. Now with Stream, and the demise of classic
> CentOS, 
> security updates are even less probable (ie: a rolling release is
> often 
> wholly updated).
> 
> Regards.
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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Doczkal, Thomas
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I am using CENTOS 7.
This should receive the Red Hat Update cycle releases until 2024, right?

Regards,
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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 01:53 PM
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Il 2021-06-21 13:34 Pete Biggs ha scritto:
> CentOS does not provide the metadata to allow the --security flag to
> work.

Right.

> It doesn't provide it because that information from Redhat is
> proprietary and not open source.

This is not my understanding. From what I can see, updates which patches
CVEs are freely readable on Red Has site. For example:
CVE: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2021-3156
UPDATE: https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0221

Historically the CentOS team refused to provide such metadata due to the
added work required. Now with Stream, and the demise of classic CentOS,
security updates are even less probable (ie: a rolling release is often
wholly updated).

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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Gionatan Danti

Il 2021-06-21 13:34 Pete Biggs ha scritto:

CentOS does not provide the metadata to allow the --security flag to
work.


Right.


It doesn't provide it because that information from Redhat is
proprietary and not open source.


This is not my understanding. From what I can see, updates which patches 
CVEs are freely readable on Red Has site. For example:

CVE: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2021-3156
UPDATE: https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0221

Historically the CentOS team refused to provide such metadata due to the 
added work required. Now with Stream, and the demise of classic CentOS, 
security updates are even less probable (ie: a rolling release is often 
wholly updated).


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Re: [CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Pete Biggs
> 
> There are probably more security updates which should be installed by
> yum --security but those are the packages I am most interested in.
> 
> Please change as necessary to allow yum --security to work.
> 
CentOS does not provide the metadata to allow the --security flag to
work.

It doesn't provide it because that information from Redhat is
proprietary and not open source.

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[CentOS] Security Updates not properly flagged

2021-06-21 Thread Doczkal, Thomas
Hi,

I assumed that it's possible to install security updates with "yum --security 
update".
On the centos-announce mailinglist and I have received several security updates 
recently.
Most are not relevant for us but glib2 and kernel are two we would like to 
address without updating the whole system.

Unfortunately both glib2 and kernel updates are filtered while running yum 
--security update

This is the output:
 --> glib2-2.56.1-9.el7_9.x86_64 from updates removed (updateinfo)
 --> kernel-3.10.0-1160.31.1.el7.x86_64 from updates removed (updateinfo)   

There are probably more security updates which should be installed by yum 
--security but those are the packages I am most interested in.

Please change as necessary to allow yum --security to work.

Many thanks.

Best Regards,
Thomas


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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
Of Timothy Murphy
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] security updates?

However, I don't think people who ask reasonable questions politely
should be castigated for doing so.

To my eyes it looked very much like a when will it be done-post yet again.
Maybe I was too harsh, maybe not. I'll just ignore those posts in the future.
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-18 Thread Alain Péan
Le 18/03/2011 01:32, Timothy Murphy a écrit :
 I don't think the OP did ask when 5.6 would be ready.
 What he/she said, IIRC, was that Karanbir had suggested
 that 5.6 would be out last week,
 and he/she was asking if there had been a problem.

This is exactly the point. I can add that all my CentOS servers are on 
an internal network, that I can consider as secure, so the release of 
5.6 is not critical for me. I can wait for next week, or the week after, 
or even after, no problem for me.
But indeed, as Karanbir suggested that the release of 5.6 was almost 
ready, I was just asking for news a week after.

 This seems a perfectly reasonable question to me.

To me too...

 However, I don't think people who ask reasonable questions politely
 should be castigated for doing so.

Yes. And my opinion is that a Community project should inform its 
community on a regular basis, at least once a week. I don't ask for news 
every hours.

Alain

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Alain Péan
Le 17/03/2011 16:02, Hendrik a écrit :
 Hello,

 There are several important security updates available:

 Critical: firefox security and bug fix update
 Important: tomcat5 security update
 Important: vsftpd security update
 Moderate: subversion security and bug fix update
 Important: logwatch security update
 Important: libtiff security update
 Moderate: kernel security and bug fix update
 Important: samba security update
 Important: samba3x security update
 Moderate: mailman security update
 Important: krb5 security update
 Moderate: postgresql security update
 Moderate: postgresql84 security update
 Moderate: pango security update
 Important: java-1.6.0-openjdk security and bug fix update

 Does CentOS not have any updates?
Hi Hendrik,

This is my first post on this list, but I follow the discussions since 
several months now.
You should know that these updates are due in 5.6 release, which was 
announced to be almost ready to release last week.
May I ask the develloppers if we can have some update about the status 
of the release, why it was delayed (some problems ?), if if there is any 
schdule to release it ?

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
Of Alain Péan
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:09 PM
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May I ask the develloppers if we can have some update about the status
of the release, why it was delayed (some problems ?), if if there is any
schdule to release it ?

Can we please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, not start this dance
again? V5.6 will be done when it's done, okay? In the meantime, you're all very
free to use whatever other distro that has these updates, if you're so antsy
about them. Asking when won't speed things up, quite the contrary. Please
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread m . roth
Sorin Srbu wrote:
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
 Behalf
Of Alain Péan
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:09 PM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] security updates?

May I ask the develloppers if we can have some update about the status
of the release, why it was delayed (some problems ?), if if there is any
schdule to release it ?

 Can we please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, not start this
 dance again? V5.6 will be done when it's done, okay? In the meantime,
you're all
 very free to use whatever other distro that has these updates, if you're so
 antsy about them. Asking when won't speed things up, quite the contrary.
 Please people...

You beat me to it: *PLEASE* don't start this up again

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Alain Péan
Le 17/03/2011 16:25, m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit :
 Sorin Srbu wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Alain Péan
 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:09 PM
 To: CentOS mailing list
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] security updates?

 May I ask the develloppers if we can have some update about the status
 of the release, why it was delayed (some problems ?), if if there is any
 schdule to release it ?
 Can we please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, not start this
 dance again? V5.6 will be done when it's done, okay? In the meantime,
 you're all
 very free to use whatever other distro that has these updates, if you're so
 antsy about them. Asking when won't speed things up, quite the contrary.
 Please people...
 You beat me to it: *PLEASE* don't start this up again
With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week, 
and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see 
anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible, 
and I don' want to start a dance.
I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.

Alain
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
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You beat me to it: *PLEASE* don't start this up again

I got really irritated last it happened and I'm not even a dev, just a lowly
end-user. Oh, what may they [the dev's] think of us going on like this... 8-S 

Or wait a sec' I'd rather not know... ;-)

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:34 PM
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With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week,
and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see
anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible,
and I don' want to start a dance.
I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.

I'm not gonna' bite, I'm not gonna' bite... 8-

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Viglieno
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:
 With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week, 
 and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see 
 anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible, 
 and I don' want to start a dance.
 I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).
 
 I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.
 
 Alain

Where was the release announced to be ready last week?

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil Viglieno n...@viglieno.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:

 With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week,
 and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see
 anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible,
 and I don' want to start a dance.

 I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

 I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.

 Where was the release announced to be ready last week?

Not quite:

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-March/107622.html
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Alain Péan
Le 17/03/2011 17:19, Tom H a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil Viglienon...@viglieno.net  wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:
 With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week,
 and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see
 anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible,
 and I don' want to start a dance.

 I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

 I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.
 Where was the release announced to be ready last week?
 Not quite:

 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-March/107622.html
I have still to retrieve the original post, bur here was a precise 
information :
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007064.html

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Alain Péan
Le 17/03/2011 17:23, Alain Péan a écrit :
 Le 17/03/2011 17:19, Tom H a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil Viglienon...@viglieno.net   wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:
 With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week,
 and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see
 anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible,
 and I don' want to start a dance.

 I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

 I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.
 Where was the release announced to be ready last week?
 Not quite:

 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-March/107622.html
 I have still to retrieve the original post, bur here was a precise
 information :
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007064.html
This is the original message :
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007061.html
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Alain Péan

Le 17/03/2011 17:25, Alain Péan a écrit :

Le 17/03/2011 17:23, Alain Péan a écrit :

Le 17/03/2011 17:19, Tom H a écrit :

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil Viglienon...@viglieno.netwrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:

With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last week,
and planned for the end of the week. One week later, I don't see
anything. I think having some news once a week is something feasible,
and I don' want to start a dance.

I did not see anything anywhere (nothing on devel forum or elsewhere).

I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.

Where was the release announced to be ready last week?

Not quite:

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-March/107622.html

I have still to retrieve the original post, bur here was a precise
information :
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007064.html

This is the original message :
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007061.html

And on Karanbir twitter account :
@ilukeberry http://twitter.com/ilukeberry not this week for 5.6, 
*hope* to get it public early next week ( so before Wednesday the 9th 
March ). 3:48 AM Mar 3rd 
http://twitter.com/CentOS/status/43276640800878592 via web en réponse 
à ilukeberry http://twitter.com/ilukeberry/status/43024692021436416

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread m . roth
Alain Péan wrote:
 Le 17/03/2011 17:25, Alain Péan a écrit :
 Le 17/03/2011 17:23, Alain Péan a écrit :
 Le 17/03/2011 17:19, Tom H a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil Viglienon...@viglieno.net
 wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100, Alain Péan wrote:
 With all due respect, the release was announced to be ready last
 week,
snip
 I use CentOS, I don't want to migrate to another distro to upgrade.
 Where was the release announced to be ready last week?
 Not quite:
snip
 This is the original message :
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007061.html
 And on Karanbir twitter account :
 @ilukeberry http://twitter.com/ilukeberry not this week for 5.6,
 *hope* to get it public early next week ( so before Wednesday the 9th
 March ). 3:48 AM Mar 3rd
snip
Notice the word *HOPE*. If you want an announcement, it would be on
http://centos.org, not from a twitter account (even if it is
Karanbir's).

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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Chris Weisiger


--- On Thu, 3/17/11, m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

 From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] security updates?
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:35 AM
 Alain Péan wrote:
  Le 17/03/2011 17:25, Alain Péan a écrit :
  Le 17/03/2011 17:23, Alain Péan a écrit :
  Le 17/03/2011 17:19, Tom H a écrit :
  On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Neil
 Viglienon...@viglieno.net
  wrote:
  On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:34 +0100,
 Alain Péan wrote:
  With all due respect, the release
 was announced to be ready last
  week,
 snip
  I use CentOS, I don't want to
 migrate to another distro to upgrade.
  Where was the release announced to be
 ready last week?
  Not quite:
 snip
  This is the original message :
  http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/007061.html
  And on Karanbir twitter account :
  @ilukeberry http://twitter.com/ilukeberry not this week for
 5.6,
  *hope* to get it public early next week ( so before
 Wednesday the 9th
  March ). 3:48 AM Mar 3rd
 snip
 Notice the word *HOPE*. If you want an announcement, it
 would be on
 http://centos.org, not from a twitter account (even
 if it is
 Karanbir's).
 
          mark
 
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Here is my 2 cents.

I really appreciate all the people involved with the building and rebranding of 
redhat to create the centos distribution. If i had the time and dedication, I 
would definitely put forth the effort to help, but I cant, and therefore I dont 
complain about when updates get built. At times, to learn more about how things 
are done, I have downloaded the spec files and or src files and built several 
rpms to update my system. From what I learned, just looking through the spec 
and src files is time consuming, BUT building the files to create the RPMS is a 
whole other issue, which seems to take forever at times, depending on how many 
you are building. 

So all you people complaining about when the updates will be out, leave the 
guys alone, let them do their jobs and the updates will appear. So 
again...in the meantime, if you want the updates quicker, LEARN TO DO IT 
YOURSELF and you will get a better understanding of what happens and why it can 
take so long to get the updates pushed out.


Thats my 2 cents and once again the people of who developed centOS, I 
appreciate all you do.

Chris 
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Chris Weisiger cweisi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I really appreciate all the people involved with the building and rebranding 
 of redhat to create the centos distribution. If i had the time and 
 dedication, I would definitely put forth the effort to help, but I cant, and 
 therefore I dont complain about when updates get built. At times, to learn 
 more about how things are done, I have downloaded the spec files and or src 
 files and built several rpms to update my system. From what I learned, just 
 looking through the spec and src files is time consuming, BUT building the 
 files to create the RPMS is a whole other issue, which seems to take forever 
 at times, depending on how many you are building.

 So all you people complaining about when the updates will be out, leave the 
 guys alone, let them do their jobs and the updates will appear. So 
 again...in the meantime, if you want the updates quicker, LEARN TO DO IT 
 YOURSELF and you will get a better understanding of what happens and why it 
 can take so long to get the updates pushed out.

While it's easy to build packages yourself with tools like mock, and
rebuild them from The Upstream Vendor's publicly accesible SRPM's,
there's a little problem with release numbering. Keeping track of
which packages are built personally, and which should be replaced with
the CentOS updates when those are available, can get tricky.
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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Sorin Srbu wrote:

 Can we please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, not start this
 dance again? 

Don't you think there is something slightly farcical
about posting messages suggesting people should stop posting messages?

 V5.6 will be done when it's done, okay?

I don't think the OP did ask when 5.6 would be ready.
What he/she said, IIRC, was that Karanbir had suggested
that 5.6 would be out last week,
and he/she was asking if there had been a problem.

This seems a perfectly reasonable question to me.

Personally, I am very grateful to Karanbir and his accomplices
for what I find an excellent OS,
and I don't really care when 5.6 or 6 come out,
as the present version works perfectly well for me.

However, I don't think people who ask reasonable questions politely
should be castigated for doing so.



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Re: [CentOS] security updates?

2011-03-17 Thread Dag Wieers
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:

 Sorin Srbu wrote:

 V5.6 will be done when it's done, okay?

 I don't think the OP did ask when 5.6 would be ready.
 What he/she said, IIRC, was that Karanbir had suggested
 that 5.6 would be out last week,
 and he/she was asking if there had been a problem.

 This seems a perfectly reasonable question to me.

 Personally, I am very grateful to Karanbir and his accomplices
 for what I find an excellent OS,
 and I don't really care when 5.6 or 6 come out,
 as the present version works perfectly well for me.

 However, I don't think people who ask reasonable questions politely
 should be castigated for doing so.

It has been suggested that asking such questions makes the release even 
later. So that's why people frantically condemn such threads, we are 
all being collectively punished !

(Include mandatory smiley) :-)

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[CentOS] Security updates for CentOS-5

2011-03-09 Thread Mark Foster
Hello, I was wondering why there haven't seemed to be any security
updates for centos-5 since Jan 6. Per
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-errata.html there are a ton of
outstanding issues.
Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for CentOS-5

2011-03-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 03/09/2011 04:45 PM, Mark Foster wrote:
 Hello, I was wondering why there haven't seemed to be any security
 updates for centos-5 since Jan 6. Per
 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-errata.html there are a ton of
 outstanding issues.
 Thanks.

All of those apply to 5.6 ( where apply implies that they link into 5.6 
code; which literally just got finalised in the last day or so ).

Having said that, I've done a fair bit of work on the updates and hope 
to get them released into the 5.5/updates tree either later today or 
tomorrow. It might be a case of first hosting them into a testing repo, 
publicly so more people can confirm that deep linking and inherited 
issues are no longer a 'breaker'. But that testing will need to be 
fairly short and sweet, keep an eye on centos-devel for more info

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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for CentOS-5

2011-03-09 Thread Peter Kjellström
On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 05:45:22 pm Mark Foster wrote:
 Hello, I was wondering why there haven't seemed to be any security
 updates for centos-5 since Jan 6. Per
 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-errata.html there are a ton of
 outstanding issues.
 Thanks.

See the on-going thread kernel vulnerabilities and/or search the arhives.

/Peter


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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for CentOS-5

2011-03-09 Thread Riccardo Veraldi
On 3/9/11 5:45 PM, Mark Foster wrote:
 Hello, I was wondering why there haven't seemed to be any security
 updates for centos-5 since Jan 6. Per
 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-errata.html there are a ton of
 outstanding issues.
 Thanks.
My solution at least for the kernel, was to get the src.rpm from RedHat

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Server/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.src.rpm

and build the kernel myself.


CentOS staff is working now hard full time for 5.6 release, so since 
January there has not been any update.


Riccardo


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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-12 Thread John Hinton
  On 10/11/2010 9:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
 From: Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net

 On Mon, October 11, 2010 13:36, Ritika Garg wrote:
 I can't understand  exactly what these security updates do? Why is there a
 need to have a  security update?
 What is your IP?  :-D
 Keep this information secret, but I think his IP is 127.0.0.1 ...
 And there's no firewall!!!  ;P

 JD
Too funny JD!

But, not to mention that for most Linux distros, source is available, so 
finding bugs in theory is easier. This leads to the theory that the code 
has been more deeply tested (snooped) and repaired leading to a most 
robust end product.

Secure? Yes, as long as you apply the updates as needed. You can always 
read about why there is a patch and decide if it is applicable to your 
situation.

John Hinton
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-12 Thread Keith Keller
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 06:11:49PM -0400, John Hinton wrote:
 
 Secure? Yes, as long as you apply the updates as needed. You can always 
 read about why there is a patch and decide if it is applicable to your 
 situation.

Somewhat related to this, does anybody know (or have links to) what
work, if any, is happening with the yum security plugin?  The only
information I could find was some posts from Karanbir from last year,
basically saying it was a low priority because it'd be a lot of work.
(I'd be willing to help if I knew more about what help was needed.)

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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-12 Thread Phil Schaffner
Keith Keller wrote on 10/12/2010 06:35 PM:
 Somewhat related to this, does anybody know (or have links to) what
 work, if any, is happening with the yum security plugin?  The only
 information I could find was some posts from Karanbir from last year,
 basically saying it was a low priority because it'd be a lot of work.
 (I'd be willing to help if I knew more about what help was needed.)

Getting pretty far OT on an already rambling thread, but if you really 
want to help then centos-devel is the proper place to volunteer.

Phil
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[CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Ritika Garg
I can't understand exactly what these security updates do? Why is there a
need to have a security update?
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Giles Coochey
On Mon, October 11, 2010 13:36, Ritika Garg wrote:
 I can't understand exactly what these security updates do? Why is there a
 need to have a security update?
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread sync
I have the same problem on it . Isn't the CentOS very safe?
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Am 11.10.10 14:30, schrieb sync:
 I have the same problem on it . Isn't the CentOS very safe?

Okay, I'll bite.

From time to time there are bugs found in the software which CentOS
ships. These bugs can lead your code to crash, your machine to be denied
of service as the process which has the bug takes up all system
ressources or even can lead to others being able to run code on your
system (which some bugs being able to do so as root).

Security updates fix those flaws in the Software which CentOS ships, so
you are advised to install those.

Regards,

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 11/10/10 11:30 PM, sync wrote:
 I have the same problem on it . Isn't the CentOS very safe?

*Sigh*

If you don't update it then it won't remain so.  It's like buying a
brand new deadlock for the door to your house and then leaving the door
wide open when you go out.  Chances are that sooner or later your stuff
will get stolen and the place will get trashed.


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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:30:04 +0800 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org 
wrote:

 
 
 
 I have the same problem on it . Isn't the CentOS very safe?

If you apply ALL of the security updates as they become available.  ALL
O/Ss have security updates from time-to-time (what do you think those
MS-Windows 'Service Packs' are?).

In the case of CentOS (and Linux in general), the security updates are
generally released *before* some cracker writes an exploit, where as
with MS-Windows the updates show up like 6 months *after* some cracker
has trashed a zillion PCs and recuited them into an army of zombies
and incorporated them into a botnet.

The reason for the more timely updates with Linux is that it is open
source, and with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow (I am not
totally sure if this is a quote from Eric Raymond or Linus Torvalds). 
There are *lots and lots* of people looking over the code looking for
mistakes (bugs).  There are *always* bugs in any non-trivial piece of
software -- no non-trivial piece of software is perfectly bug free.  Us
programmers *try* to write the best code we can, but sometimes stuff
slips through the cracks...  The operating system itself (the kernel) is
a very complex piece of code.  Plus there are all of the additional bits
and pieces that people use for everyday tasks, many of these pieces of
software are fairly complex all on their own.

Also, since Linux is not a monolithic blob (like MS-Windows), much of
the everyday software is maintained by a whole batch of different people
and each piece of software has a different schedule of update releases,
so there are updates (security and otherwise) released at different
times.  Red Hat / the CentOS team release these updates as soon as they
become available (and have been quality tested, etc.).

 
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread John Doe
From: Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net

 On Mon, October 11, 2010 13:36, Ritika Garg wrote:
  I can't understand  exactly what these security updates do? Why is there a
  need to have a  security update?
 What is your IP?  :-D

Keep this information secret, but I think his IP is 127.0.0.1 ...
And there's no firewall!!!  ;P

JD


  
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Re: [CentOS] security updates

2010-10-11 Thread Morten P.D. Stevens
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, sync jian...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have the same problem on it . Isn't the CentOS very safe?

CentOS (RHEL 5) is one of the most secure operating systems worldwide.

Best regards,

Morten
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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-23 Thread Ralph Angenendt
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
 nate wrote:
 slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos
 5.3 x_64.

 Just run yum update and you'll get all of the updates that
 you need that are available.

 Except that you'll probably end up with 5.4 or maybe an incomplete
 update if you do it while the mirrors are still syncing.

Blah.

5 will only point to 5.4/ when the mirrors are complete. So that
cannot happen at all.

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-22 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf
Of Torkil Zachariassen
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:39 PM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:11 -0500, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with
 Centos 5.3 x_64.

Yum knows :)
  $ yum --security check-update

You learn something new every day. Thanks for this one. ;-)
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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-22 Thread slchavarria
I know too that  yum - -security doesnt work on CentOS, so there is no way 
to install JUST security-updates ??

Best regards 

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Hello, 

Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos 

5.3 x_64. 

Thank you in advance and greetings

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slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with 
Centos
 5.3 x_64.

Just run yum update and you'll get all of the updates that
you need that are available.

nate



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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:27:52 -0500
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3
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nate wrote:
 slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with 
Centos
 5.3 x_64.
 
 Just run yum update and you'll get all of the updates that
 you need that are available.

Except that you'll probably end up with 5.4 or maybe an incomplete 
update if you do it while the mirrors are still syncing.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:50:07 +0200
From: Peter Kjellstrom c...@nsc.liu.se
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3
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On Wednesday 21 October 2009, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with 
Centos
 5.3 x_64.

All, that is yum update with a standard configuration (note that All 
here 
includes updates all the way to 5.x latest (which, as of about now, is 
5.4)).

/Peter
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:38:34 +0100
From: Torkil Zachariassen tor...@lava.fo
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3
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On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:11 -0500, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with
 Centos 5.3 x_64. 

Yum knows :)
  $ yum --security check-update

You may have to install yum-security first: 
  # yum install yum-security


.t.

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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:37:06 +0530
From: Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
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On 10/21/2009 11:08 PM, Torkil Zachariassen wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:11 -0500, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with
 Centos 5.3 x_64.

 Yum knows :)
$ yum --security check-update

 You may have to install yum-security first:
# yum install yum-security

does not work on CentOS, never has. However, it *should* start working 
with centos-5 in the next few days :)


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[CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread slchavarria
Hello, 

Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos 
5.3 x_64. 

Thank you in advance and greetings

SLCC


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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread nate
slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos
 5.3 x_64.

Just run yum update and you'll get all of the updates that
you need that are available.

nate

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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread Les Mikesell
nate wrote:
 slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos
 5.3 x_64.
 
 Just run yum update and you'll get all of the updates that
 you need that are available.

Except that you'll probably end up with 5.4 or maybe an incomplete 
update if you do it while the mirrors are still syncing.

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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread Peter Kjellstrom
On Wednesday 21 October 2009, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Hello,

 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with Centos
 5.3 x_64.

All, that is yum update with a standard configuration (note that All here 
includes updates all the way to 5.x latest (which, as of about now, is 5.4)).

/Peter


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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread Torkil Zachariassen
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:11 -0500, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with
 Centos 5.3 x_64. 

Yum knows :)
  $ yum --security check-update

You may have to install yum-security first: 
  # yum install yum-security


.t.

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Re: [CentOS] Security updates for Centos 5.3

2009-10-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/21/2009 11:08 PM, Torkil Zachariassen wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:11 -0500, slchavar...@iusacell.com.mx wrote:
 Someone knows which security updates i have to apply to a host with
 Centos 5.3 x_64.

 Yum knows :)
$ yum --security check-update

 You may have to install yum-security first:
# yum install yum-security

does not work on CentOS, never has. However, it *should* start working 
with centos-5 in the next few days :)


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[CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines? (RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Alexander Farber
Hello,

I hope my question is not annoying. I work as sysadmin
at a 400 users firm and we have around 20 CentOS 4/5
servers and VMs and CentOS is awesome, thank you!

However we have 4 important SAP-servers running RHEL5
and our RHN subscription has unforunately expired and
buying it again is not an option right now. Installing CentOS is
not an option too, because we'd have to pay for SAP-reinstall.

Has anybody have been in a similar situation and figured
out a good way to make yum update on RHEL machines
to work against CentOS repositories?

Regards
Alex
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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines? (RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Kenneth Burgener

Alexander Farber wrote:

Has anybody have been in a similar situation and figured
out a good way to make yum update on RHEL machines
to work against CentOS repositories?
  


The CentOS repositories are just a YUM repository.  Simply add the 
'.repo' file to your '/etc/yum.repos.d/' folder.  You will also need to 
change the '$releasever' to just '5' as rhel uses 'server5'.  I just 
tested this on a minimal install of RHEL 5.2.  Be warned that any 
updated versions of the RPMs will be overridden by the CentOS RPMs, 
which did include the kernel.  Yum is fairly flexible this way.  I am 
not sure how flexible the rhel update plugin will be if you eventually 
renew your subscription and try to go back, though.


Kenneth
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RE: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines?(RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Jim Wildman

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, John wrote:


And to add to that it will break your Contract with SAP!!!

JohnStanley


I always find the sentiments from the management of the original poster
interesting.  They are serious enough about their business to have spent
$$$ on SAP to run the business, then they want to cheap out on the support
contract on the OS.

Very short sighted.

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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines?(RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Alexander Farber
You don't know our situation and already have an opinion.

We already spent 40 Euro for SW licenses this year
(and we have only 400 users). And we're an automotive business,
so I can understand that management tries to save some money.

Regards
Alex

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Jim Wildman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I always find the sentiments from the management of the original poster
 interesting.  They are serious enough about their business to have spent
 $$$ on SAP to run the business, then they want to cheap out on the support
 contract on the OS.

 Very short sighted.

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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines?(RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Fabian Arrotin

Alexander Farber wrote:

You don't know our situation and already have an opinion.

We already spent 40 Euro for SW licenses this year
(and we have only 400 users). And we're an automotive business,
so I can understand that management tries to save some money.

Regards
Alex

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Jim Wildman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I always find the sentiments from the management of the original poster
interesting.  They are serious enough about their business to have spent
$$$ on SAP to run the business, then they want to cheap out on the support
contract on the OS.

Very short sighted.




woaw .. 40 euros and you want to spare 4 x 279 euros (basic RHEL 
subscription) ?

Sorry but i don't get the point ..
Of course you can normally switch to CentOS but for such business 
critical application (and the fact that 4 x 279 euros is nothing against 
SAP price itself) i'd rather continue with RHN subscription .. just my 
two cents of course


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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines?(RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread John R Pierce

Alexander Farber wrote:

You don't know our situation and already have an opinion.

We already spent 40 Euro for SW licenses this year
(and we have only 400 users). And we're an automotive business,
so I can understand that management tries to save some money.
  



do you understand that if there is ANY issue which could be an OS 
related problem that even possibly could be caused by mixing builds of 
RPMs, SAP will not support you, and that e400K investment will be near 
worthless?

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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines? (RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Tru Huynh
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 05:02:06PM +0100, Alexander Farber wrote:
 Hello,
 
..
 However we have 4 important SAP-servers running RHEL5
...
 
 Has anybody have been in a similar situation and figured
 out a good way to make yum update on RHEL machines
 to work against CentOS repositories?

http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/MigrationGuide

But all the caveats for your $$$ SAP license applies.

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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS security updates to RHEL machines?(RHN subscription expired)

2008-11-30 Thread Jim Wildman

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, John R Pierce wrote:


Alexander Farber wrote:

 You don't know our situation and already have an opinion.

 We already spent 40 Euro for SW licenses this year
 (and we have only 400 users). And we're an automotive business,
 so I can understand that management tries to save some money.




do you understand that if there is ANY issue which could be an OS related 
problem that even possibly could be caused by mixing builds of RPMs, SAP will 
not support you, and that e400K investment will be near worthless?


Actually it is trending towards worthless as soon as SAP says please 
update package X to the latest version from Red Hat and you can't do it.


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