Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 18:41 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Now I see the huge problem especially with how the ranking works in seo. You do? The issue has nothing to do with wiki.centos.org, the wildcard goes to www. Ralph --- The heck it don't. It is based on DNS Session Data and Node Ranking not to mention other things. Tell me different... Ah. Yes. You have a marvellous way of not explaining things you seem to know. As I have no idea what you are talking about. Hence my question. I don't even know what DNS session data is. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
Am 16.04.10 20:26, schrieb JohnS: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 16/04/10 17:43, JohnS wrote: Maybe fill us in on the dns issue effects. not sure what i can say beyond my first post. you seem to be confused between www.centos.org and wiki.centos.org --- Yea I thought they were separate entities in dns but not. They are. They just point to the same A record. Now I see the huge problem especially with how the ranking works in seo. You do? The issue has nothing to do with wiki.centos.org, the wildcard goes to www. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 18:41 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Now I see the huge problem especially with how the ranking works in seo. You do? The issue has nothing to do with wiki.centos.org, the wildcard goes to www. Ralph --- The heck it don't. It is based on DNS Session Data and Node Ranking not to mention other things. Tell me different... John ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On 04/16/2010 10:52 PM, Ed Heron wrote: At the moment there is a www.centos.org site. There is also a wildcard dns setup that directs anything.centos.org to www.centos.org's content ... Unless I'm missing something, http://yadda.centos.org doesn't redirect, it displays a copy of the (www.)centos.org content. thats right ( and what I meant, *.centos.org shows www.centos.org content, but does not redirect url ) I'm not that knowledgeable about SEO stuff, but wouldn't a redirect be better? yup, thats what I think anyway. I know that google is dropping pagerank since multiple domains have the same content. - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
Karanbir Singh wrote: hi guys, At the moment there is a www.centos.org site. There is also a wildcard dns setup that directs anything.centos.org to www.centos.org's content This has a couple of 'issues' with SEO and google sepcifically. The reason we have such low page rank is that google marks all of this as duplicate content. I am sure there are other search engines that do as well ( Bing has a policy of marking down duplicates as well ). So, what I'd like to propose is to either drop the wildcard dns completely, or setup a new vhost for the wildcard that isnt www.centos.org. What we could then do is either present people with a list of options on destinations they might be interested in. eg: - www.centos.org - wiki.centos.org - bugs.centos.org - mirror.centos.org - isolist.centos.org thoughts ? I'd make a dedicatet vhost with the following index.html (read between the lines, please...): Welcome, beloved user ! You've reached nothing.centos.org which unfortunately does not point to valid content. What we can help you with is: - www.centos.org - wiki.centos.org - bugs.centos.org - mirror.centos.org - isolist.centos.org - dev.centos.org Thank you for your interest in CentOS ! ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 15:57 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: hi guys, At the moment there is a www.centos.org site. There is also a wildcard dns setup that directs anything.centos.org to www.centos.org's content This has a couple of 'issues' with SEO and google sepcifically. The reason we have such low page rank is that google marks all of this as duplicate content. I am sure there are other search engines that do as well ( Bing has a policy of marking down duplicates as well ). --- I do not think that's the whole problem: Take into consideration this; site:wiki.centos.org kernelbuild Use that at both bing.com and google.com. Bing wins hands down. BTW when was the last bing crawl date? Today? John ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On 16/04/10 17:06, JohnS wrote: I do not think that's the whole problem: Take into consideration this; site:wiki.centos.org kernelbuild Use that at both bing.com and google.com. Bing wins hands down. BTW when was the last bing crawl date? Today? well, googlebot is always on centos.org, its not uncommon for search results from the forums to show content created within the last hour. -- Karanbir Singh kbsi...@karan.org | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh ICQ: 2522219 | Yahoo IM: z00dax | Gtalk: z00dax GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:13 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 16/04/10 17:06, JohnS wrote: I do not think that's the whole problem: Take into consideration this; site:wiki.centos.org kernelbuild Use that at both bing.com and google.com. Bing wins hands down. BTW when was the last bing crawl date? Today? well, googlebot is always on centos.org, its not uncommon for search results from the forums to show content created within the last hour. --- Yes that is true but I can't wrap my head around how dns is going to prevent or cause problems with crawling a site. My understanding has been if you submit wiki.centos.org then it is only going to crawl it via /robots.txt. However it finding duplicate files so it says is a problem in it self. Using the moin site map should just prevent that at least in theory if it get regenerated. Of which will happen if you submit it through bing. Bing can auto pull the site map and every time that happens it will get regened. I'm guessing google can still do this also. Maybe fill us in on the dns issue effects. John ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 16/04/10 17:43, JohnS wrote: Maybe fill us in on the dns issue effects. not sure what i can say beyond my first post. you seem to be confused between www.centos.org and wiki.centos.org --- Yea I thought they were separate entities in dns but not. Now I see the huge problem especially with how the ranking works in seo. John ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] www.centos.org and the wildcard dns
From: Karanbir Singh, Friday, April 16, 2010 8:57 AM ... At the moment there is a www.centos.org site. There is also a wildcard dns setup that directs anything.centos.org to www.centos.org's content ... Unless I'm missing something, http://yadda.centos.org doesn't redirect, it displays a copy of the (www.)centos.org content. I'm not that knowledgeable about SEO stuff, but wouldn't a redirect be better? Assuming an Apache setup, adding something like a catch-all virtual host after any other centos.org host definitions. I prefer URL's without the www unless there is a good reason... VirtualHost *:80 ServerAlias *.centos.org Redirect permanent / http://centos.org /VirtualHost That should get the browser client to notice and change where it is going. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
