Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-28 Thread Todd Deshane
Hi Grant, On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: Todd, I think there's more than one way to look at this as well. As Xen becomes more of a product and less of an installable package it will probably have to be profiled as a product. The XCP devs

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-26 Thread Eric Searcy
On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Todd Deshane wrote: I was also going to mention that we should look at scalability and performance isolation. Some references and previous studies here: http://todddeshane.net/research/Xen_versus_KVM_20080623.pdf

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-26 Thread Todd Deshane
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Eric Searcy emsea...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Todd Deshane wrote: I was also going to mention that we should look at scalability and performance isolation. Some references and previous studies here:

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-25 Thread Todd Deshane
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 10/21/2010 12:01 AM, Grant McWilliams

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-24 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:47:03PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/19/2010 09:41 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:58:15PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/16/2010 08:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/21/2010 12:01 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: So what we're on the verge of doing here is creating a test set... I'd love to see a shell script that ran a bunch of tests, gathered data about the system and then created an archive that would then be uploaded to a website which created graphs.

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-21 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: On 10/21/2010 12:01 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: So what we're on the verge of doing here is creating a test set... I'd love to see a shell script that ran a bunch of tests, gathered data about the system and then

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-21 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: On 10/21/2010 12:01 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: So what we're on the verge of doing here is creating a test set... I'd love to

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-20 Thread Grant McWilliams
If I understand that paper correctly, HVM+VT-d outperforms PV by quite a lot (if you have VT-d support on your system). Thanks for that link. Just to make my criticism of the initial claim more clear: I don't claim that HVM can never be faster than PV but that you need to understand when

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-20 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/20/2010 08:12 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: If I understand that paper correctly, HVM+VT-d outperforms PV by quite a lot (if you have VT-d support on your system). Thanks for that link. Just to make my criticism of the initial claim more clear: I don't claim

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-20 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/20/2010 12:35 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Being skeptical is the best approach in the absence of verifiable/falsifiable data. Today or tomorrow I'll get my hands on a new host system and although it is supposed to go into production immediately I will probably find some time to do

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Bishop
Ok so I'd like to help, since most folks have Intel Chipsets, I have a AMD 4p(16 core)/32gig memory opteron server that I'm running that we can get some numbers onbut it would be nice if we could run apples to apples...I have iozone loaded and can run that but would be nice to run using the

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-20 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Tom Bishop bisho...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so I'd like to help, since most folks have Intel Chipsets, I have a AMD 4p(16 core)/32gig memory opteron server that I'm running that we can get some numbers onbut it would be nice if we could run apples to apples...I

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-19 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:58:15PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/16/2010 08:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 10/14/2010 07:48

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-19 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/19/2010 09:41 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:58:15PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/16/2010 08:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-19 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/19/2010 01:16 PM, Jerry Franz wrote: On 10/19/2010 03:47 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 10/19/2010 09:41 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: It's because of the x86_64 architecture, afaik. There was some good technical explananation about it, but I can't remember the url now. In that

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-17 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: On 10/16/2010 08:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote: On

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-16 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 10/14/2010 07:48 AM, Tom Bishop wrote: I think xen is still on top in terms of performance and featuresnow that is indeed what it

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-16 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/16/2010 08:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 10/14/2010 07:48 AM, Tom Bishop wrote: I think xen is still on top in terms of performance and

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/15/2010 02:00 PM, John L. Magee wrote: One thing to possibly consider with PostgreSQL performance especially, is that when using KVM VMs for some applications, PostgreSQL could be run native. This is a viable approach with KVM that could never work with Xen. Can you expand on this a

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-15 Thread compdoc
I think he's right. Run PostgreSQL on the centos host directly, rather than from within a guest. The vm guests could access the database over the virtual lan, so speed of access for guests on the same server wouldn't be an issue. There are lots of ways of file sharing for example. You can share

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/15/2010 10:56 PM, compdoc wrote: I think he's right. Run PostgreSQL on the centos host directly, rather than from within a guest. The vm guests could access the database over the virtual lan, so speed of access for guests on the same server wouldn't be an issue. I don't understand why

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Bishop
I don't have any benchmarks per se just my recent testing of them I think xen is still on top in terms of performance and featuresnow having said that my experience in the past with kvm and my latest testing with 5.5 and KVM I can say that KVM has made great strides with the virtio

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-14 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/14/2010 07:48 AM, Tom Bishop wrote: I think xen is still on top in terms of performance and featuresnow that is indeed what it 'feels' like, but I'm quite keen on putting some numbers on that. having said that my experience in the past with kvm and my latest testing with 5.5 and

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Bishop
When you get the numbers please share, as I for one would be very interestedI have read some on the web but nothing as of late.I just don't have the time right now to go benchmark anything On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: On 10/14/2010 07:48

Re: [CentOS-virt] performance differences between kvm/xen

2010-10-14 Thread Bart Swedrowski
Hi Karanbir, On 14 October 2010 19:59, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 10/14/2010 07:48 AM, Tom Bishop wrote: I think xen is still on top in terms of performance and featuresnow that is indeed what it 'feels' like, but I'm quite keen on putting some numbers on that. I