Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-20 Thread Sven Kieske
Am 18.06.2014 23:33, schrieb lee: No, I'm talking about an installer which can be used to create and to configure a VM image. The resulting VM image would have all needed packages installed and be fully configured. Yes, this is e.g. something you can do with saltstack salt-virt or similar

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-19 Thread George Dunlap
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de wrote: I just dived a little in virt-builder and here are my findings: 1. It's awesome! Am 18.06.2014 12:46, schrieb George Dunlap: So it looks like we might want to recommend three potential paths we could recommend people

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-19 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:39 AM, George Dunlap dunl...@umich.edu wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de wrote: I just dived a little in virt-builder and here are my findings: 1. It's awesome! Am 18.06.2014 12:46, schrieb George Dunlap: So it looks like we

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-18 Thread Sven Kieske
Am 17.06.2014 19:31, schrieb lee: How about some sort of package management that lets you define and configure the VM? This is currently done from the inside, i. e. when the VM is running, with whatever installer and package manager a distribution comes with. Why not do it from the

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-18 Thread George Dunlap
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 06/10/2014 05:21 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: == #4 Cloud Image from Cloud Image SIG == We could rely on pre-built cloud images from the Cloud Images SIG. People could just download the cloud image once it's done and

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-18 Thread Sven Kieske
I just dived a little in virt-builder and here are my findings: 1. It's awesome! Am 18.06.2014 12:46, schrieb George Dunlap: So it looks like we might want to recommend three potential paths we could recommend people to explore: 1) For basic CentOS VMs, use a CentOS-provided cloud image,

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-18 Thread lee
Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de writes: Am 17.06.2014 19:31, schrieb lee: How about some sort of package management that lets you define and configure the VM? This is currently done from the inside, i. e. when the VM is running, with whatever installer and package manager a distribution

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-17 Thread lee
Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org writes: On 06/10/2014 05:21 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: == #4 Cloud Image from Cloud Image SIG == We could rely on pre-built cloud images from the Cloud Images SIG. People could just download the cloud image once it's done and customize it, rather than

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-17 Thread George Dunlap
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 06/10/2014 05:21 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: == #4 Cloud Image from Cloud Image SIG == We could rely on pre-built cloud images from the Cloud Images SIG. People could just download the cloud image once it's done and

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-17 Thread lee
SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:11 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org writes: Ofcourse, having these images pushed from here mean that clouds or virtualised environs that have metadata services are able to just-use

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-16 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/10/2014 05:21 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: == #4 Cloud Image from Cloud Image SIG == We could rely on pre-built cloud images from the Cloud Images SIG. People could just download the cloud image once it's done and customize it, rather than installing / building their own. Advantages: seems

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-13 Thread lee
Dario Faggioli raist...@linux.it writes: On gio, 2014-06-12 at 07:17 +0200, lee wrote: Lars Kurth lars.ku...@xen.org writes: Let me wear the hat of the user. The major hurdles were network setup, installing something in a vm, and the chaotic state the documentation is in. Wow... chaotic

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Dario Faggioli
On gio, 2014-06-12 at 07:17 +0200, lee wrote: Lars Kurth lars.ku...@xen.org writes: Let me wear the hat of the user. The major hurdles were network setup, installing something in a vm, and the chaotic state the documentation is in. Wow... chaotic state :-O Don't get me wrong. I know

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Peter
On 06/12/2014 05:17 PM, lee wrote: I knew before I started that network setup would be a PITA because years ago, I set up a VM for someone who didn't have a 64bit system to compile a 64bit version of some software. The network setup being so ridiculously difficult has kept me from touching

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Peter
On 06/11/2014 04:21 AM, Lars Kurth wrote: Hi all, following the discussion on about documentation, I was wondering whether we need to look at a standard way in which we recommend how to provision images for VMs. Am starting this with a Xen hat, but the discussion should not be specific

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Dario Faggioli
On mar, 2014-06-10 at 17:21 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote: Hi all, Hi! == #1 virt-install == Advantages: similar to KVM Disadvantages: may cause weird issues / confusion with people switching back to xl. The core issue is that with the current version of xen and libvirt, this only works

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Dario Faggioli
On gio, 2014-06-12 at 22:34 +1200, Peter wrote: This is not a complete list of the ways you can install a VM either. My personal preference is to manually create the filesystem for the VM and then install the OS core with yum. Then after tweaking some config files you can start up the VM and

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Ed Heron
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 17:21 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote: Hi all, following the discussion on about documentation, I was wondering whether we need to look at a standard way in which we recommend how to provision images for VMs. Am starting this with a Xen hat, but the discussion should not be

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread SilverTip257
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Dario Faggioli raist...@linux.it wrote: On gio, 2014-06-12 at 22:34 +1200, Peter wrote: This is not a complete list of the ways you can install a VM either. My personal preference is to manually create the filesystem for the VM and then install the OS

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Peter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2014 03:47 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote: If you're up for it, Xen wiki will be glad to host it! :-P I would love to do a writeup on this, but my time is extremely limited right now. I'll see what I can do. Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread Peter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2014 08:30 AM, Peter wrote: On 06/13/2014 03:47 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote: If you're up for it, Xen wiki will be glad to host it! :-P I would love to do a writeup on this, but my time is extremely limited right now. I'll see what I can

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-12 Thread NightLightHosts Admin
The world needs documentation bounties. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Peter pe...@pajamian.dhs.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2014 03:47 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote: If you're up for it, Xen wiki will be glad to host it! :-P I would love to do a

Re: [CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-11 Thread lee
Lars Kurth lars.ku...@xen.org writes: Hi all, following the discussion on about documentation, I was wondering whether we need to look at a standard way in which we recommend how to provision images for VMs. Am starting this with a Xen hat, but the discussion should not be specific to

[CentOS-virt] Preferred method of provisioning VM images

2014-06-10 Thread Lars Kurth
Hi all, following the discussion on about documentation, I was wondering whether we need to look at a standard way in which we recommend how to provision images for VMs. Am starting this with a Xen hat, but the discussion should not be specific to this. There are a number of options, but all