Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 02/16/2011 04:32 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:03:57PM -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: IMHO, if you are intending to install an O/S, and will need to have an Internet connection, you should ALWAYS have a thumb drive and another computer with a confirmed Internet connection before starting. The only exception to this rule is when installing OSX on a Mac - because they control the hardware and the software, you're almost always good to go out of the gate. Windows is like this, Linux/BSD/etc is the same way. I don't understand your assertion. I have installed a few hundred FreeBSD systems and never used a USB drive. The earlier machines didn't even have them. I just stuck in the CD and booted and went merrily along. Most of the installs were done over the net with the CD only bringing up the sysinstall and getting the disk sliced and labeled. I have also done a few dozen CentOS installs without useing any flash drive. jerry I think his point is that if you have never done an install on this type of machine before (and so you do not know if the network card will work), you may need to provide another method to get driver files onto the machine. In that scenario (no network), a USB thumbdrive is is the easiest method to get files onto the machine. Most hard wired connections work out of the box ... many wireless cards require a 'Proprietary Firmware' that Red Hat can not distribute as GPL. Because that firmware is not in RHEL, it is not in CentOS. People seem to want CentOS to change the distro and make the wireless work out of the box ... and I wish we could, however if it is not in RHEL, it will not be in CentOS. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. snip I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could share their experience (good or bad). Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly approved of. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:52 +0100, Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. One thing you might, or happily might not, have difficulties with is the wifi driver. Most drivers are available from various sources. C5 is based on kernel 2.6.18. More wifi drivers were added to kernel 2.6.27, I think. C6 will be based on kernel 2.6.34, I believe. If you have difficulties with wifi, you'll get help here. Centos is a splendid choice for laptop reliability. I have it on a netbook and on a laptop. Its so much better, for me certainly, than Windoze. With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. snip I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could share their experience (good or bad). Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly approved of. I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad. IBM laptops are really good laptops. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 02/16/2011 12:30 PM, Robert Heller wrote: At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org wrote: Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. snip I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could share their experience (good or bad). Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly approved of. I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad. IBM laptops are really good laptops. I also have run Centos 5.5 on an X31 and moved to a X200. The T60 fits in between these in the Thinkpad evolution, IIRC. It was fine on both and I had no trouble with wireless on either. The wireless concern was mentioned in another response on this thread. good luck, roger wells mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 16/02/11 18:08, Always Learning wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:52 +0100, Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. One thing you might, or happily might not, have difficulties with is the wifi driver. Most drivers are available from various sources. C5 is based on kernel 2.6.18. More wifi drivers were added to kernel 2.6.27, I think. C6 will be based on kernel 2.6.34, I believe. As long as the CentOS kernel is based on the RHEL kernel works, a lot of drivers from newer kernels will have been backported to the 2.6.18 based kernel, which makes newer hardware work on RHEL kernels. The RHEL 2.6.18 kernel only sounds old and expired due to its name. But the content inside really isn't as old as it sounds like - even though there are a big part of original 2.6.18 code in it as well. Check the release notes for more info ... Like for RHEL5.5 http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/5.5_Release_Notes/ar01s04.html kind regards, David Sommerseth ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:04:00 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On 02/16/2011 12:30 PM, Robert Heller wrote: At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org wrote: Mathieu Baudier wrote: I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. snip I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could share their experience (good or bad). Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly approved of. I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad. IBM laptops are really good laptops. I also have run Centos 5.5 on an X31 and moved to a X200. The T60 fits in between these in the Thinkpad evolution, IIRC. It was fine on both and I had no trouble with wireless on either. The wireless concern was mentioned in another response on this thread. The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. good luck, roger wells mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Les Mikesell I don't think so. I take it out of the box means the drivers are in the OS, but the card/hardware needs some updating. Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... This is certainly true, but that's why ppl pay guys like us to do this for them. Praise Jebus. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:06:36 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... Downloading and installing the firmware was pretty close to painless, when compared to dealing with *other* wireless cards on other laptops: special kernel modules, special kernels, etc. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... So tell that to Red Hat. If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS. Les, surely you know that by now. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Mathieu Baudier mbaud...@argeo.org wrote: Hello, I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field. My main focus is therefore to have something robust, reliable and above all well compatible with CentOS. Hibernate / suspend feature are important to me, because that's the main issue I have with CentOS on other laptops. I have found the following information so far: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_CentOS_5_on_a_Thinkpad_T60 The processor is a T2300 (so 32 bits apparently): http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27233 I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could share their experience (good or bad). We had several of the T60s as corporate laptops. I've installed CentOS and RHEL on them without much problem. Most everything worked fine. The only issue I saw was battery life wasn't so great from a full charge. It seemed to run a bit hot. After a meeting it would be at 40% charge after about an hour. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... So tell that to Red Hat. If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS. Les, surely you know that by now. Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in /lib/firmware (or whereever). This is usually separate from any driver(s) that might be needed. Wired NICs don't need this firmware thing. In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also has USB ports, which would be another option. (And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.) Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNXCkRTKkMgmrBY7MRApO6AJ93eRXbsq+MIPsFpI+eg89gyyen8wCgo+m4 LCkYyS5IEDshQ0YYX1oRZtE= =9tM/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- MIME-Version: 1.0 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
IMHO, if you are intending to install an O/S, and will need to have an Internet connection, you should ALWAYS have a thumb drive and another computer with a confirmed Internet connection before starting. The only exception to this rule is when installing OSX on a Mac - because they control the hardware and the software, you're almost always good to go out of the gate. Windows is like this, Linux/BSD/etc is the same way. Get a cup of coffee at a cybercafe if you need to for the 'net access! That said, I've had little trouble with the Intel Wireless 2100 in the past on a Dell Inspiron 600m. Do a google search for ipw2100, various RPM options show on the first page for me. Good luck! On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:08:05 pm Robert Heller wrote: At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... So tell that to Red Hat. If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS. Les, surely you know that by now. Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in /lib/firmware (or whereever). This is usually separate from any driver(s) that might be needed. Wired NICs don't need this firmware thing. In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also has USB ports, which would be another option. (And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.) Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNXCkRTKkMgmrBY7MRApO6AJ93eRXbsq+MIPsFpI+eg89gyyen8wCgo+m4 LCkYyS5IEDshQ0YYX1oRZtE= =9tM/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- MIME-Version: 1.0 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:03:57PM -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: IMHO, if you are intending to install an O/S, and will need to have an Internet connection, you should ALWAYS have a thumb drive and another computer with a confirmed Internet connection before starting. The only exception to this rule is when installing OSX on a Mac - because they control the hardware and the software, you're almost always good to go out of the gate. Windows is like this, Linux/BSD/etc is the same way. I don't understand your assertion. I have installed a few hundred FreeBSD systems and never used a USB drive. The earlier machines didn't even have them. I just stuck in the CD and booted and went merrily along. Most of the installs were done over the net with the CD only bringing up the sysinstall and getting the disk sliced and labeled. I have also done a few dozen CentOS installs without useing any flash drive. jerry Get a cup of coffee at a cybercafe if you need to for the 'net access! That said, I've had little trouble with the Intel Wireless 2100 in the past on a Dell Inspiron 600m. Do a google search for ipw2100, various RPM options show on the first page for me. Good luck! On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:08:05 pm Robert Heller wrote: At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote: The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04). Intel wireless chips are *very well* supported *out of the box* under CentOS. You do need to download and install the proper firmware. Isn't being supported out of the box and having to download something else a contradiction in terms? Not to mention a catch-22 when your usual connection to download is over wireless... So tell that to Red Hat. If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS. Les, surely you know that by now. Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in /lib/firmware (or whereever). This is usually separate from any driver(s) that might be needed. Wired NICs don't need this firmware thing. In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also has USB ports, which would be another option. (And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.) Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNXCkRTKkMgmrBY7MRApO6AJ93eRXbsq+MIPsFpI+eg89gyyen8wCgo+m4 LCkYyS5IEDshQ0YYX1oRZtE= =9tM/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- MIME-Version: 1.0 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
