Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.4 .2105 Problems

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

On 05.06.21 11:32, Simon Matter wrote:

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 04:32:30PM +1200, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:

I noticed in journalctl that gnome-shell was core dumping.

yum reinstall gnome-shell fixed my displays problem.

So I am back to my first premise that the 'yum update' did not
complete properly for some reason.

Is there any way I can check the integrity of the packages installed?


rpm, but not to my knowledge, has a "verify" command.


rpm -Va




Additionally checks can be done with (its in yum-utils package):


package-cleanup --problems

package-cleanup --dupes

# dnf remove --duplicates


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.4 .2105 Problems

[Alan McRae via CentOS]

Thank you.

I managed:


#!/bin/bash
for rp in `rpm -q -a `
do
    echo $rp
    rpm --verify $rp
done
but rpm -Va is neater. It only showed up config files and the like that 
you would expect to be different.


I'll check the list of rpms next against a clean install/upgrade to make 
sure I have them all.


Alan

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On 05/06/2021 21:32, Simon Matter wrote:

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 04:32:30PM +1200, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:

I noticed in journalctl that gnome-shell was core dumping.

yum reinstall gnome-shell fixed my displays problem.

So I am back to my first premise that the 'yum update' did not
complete properly for some reason.

Is there any way I can check the integrity of the packages installed?

rpm, but not to my knowledge, has a "verify" command.

rpm -Va


It checks all files from the specified package are present
and compares 9 properties with the original specs.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.4 .2105 Problems

[Simon Matter]

> On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 04:32:30PM +1200, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:
>>I noticed in journalctl that gnome-shell was core dumping.
>>
>>yum reinstall gnome-shell fixed my displays problem.
>>
>>So I am back to my first premise that the 'yum update' did not
>>complete properly for some reason.
>>
>>Is there any way I can check the integrity of the packages installed?
>
> rpm, but not to my knowledge, has a "verify" command.

rpm -Va

>
> It checks all files from the specified package are present
> and compares 9 properties with the original specs.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.4 .2105 Problems

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 04:32:30PM +1200, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:

I noticed in journalctl that gnome-shell was core dumping.

yum reinstall gnome-shell fixed my displays problem.

So I am back to my first premise that the 'yum update' did not 
complete properly for some reason.


Is there any way I can check the integrity of the packages installed?


rpm, but not to my knowledge, has a "verify" command.

It checks all files from the specified package are present
and compares 9 properties with the original specs.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.4 .2105 Problems

[Alan McRae via CentOS]

I noticed in journalctl that gnome-shell was core dumping.

yum reinstall gnome-shell fixed my displays problem.

So I am back to my first premise that the 'yum update' did not complete 
properly for some reason.


Is there any way I can check the integrity of the packages installed?

What could cause 'yum upgrade' to say 'Nothing to do' and not install 
the latest 305 kernel?


Alan

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On 05/06/2021 15:30, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:
The yum upgrade from 8.3 to 8.4 on my main machine  looked as if it 
was working fine so I went to have a coffee.


When I came back the screens were blank so I don't know what happened. 
On rebooting the screens are still blank.


I have two graphics cards running three displays.

I have a "rescue" system on the same machine that upgraded from 8.3 to 
8.4 fine. The 3 screens work fine on this.


I am not sure the upgrade completed properly. For example the new kernel:

 vmlinuz-4.18.0-305.3.1.el8.x86_64

was not present in /boot. Even worse, "yum upgrade" said there was 
nothing to do and would not install it. I installed the kernel package 
manually.  /etc/redhat-release says CentOS Linux release 8.4.2105



My main question is: Where are the config files for the screen(s). 
This used to be something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.


Since I have a working rescue system my current plan is to 
compare/copy the config files.


Suggestions please as to where I should start. It is difficult to work 
without a GUI. I have ssh access to the machine.


Thanks

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade OpenSSH version to the latest stable version on CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core).

[Jonathan Billings]

On Dec 1, 2020, at 00:49, Peter  wrote:
> 
> On 1/12/20 4:04 pm, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>> I am running CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core). Is there a way to
>> upgrade OpenSSH version openssh-7.4p1-21.el7.x86_64 to the latest stable
>> version openssh-server 8.4 using yum repositories or rpm binaries?
> 
> No, 7.4p1-21 is the most recent up to date version in CentOS 7.  See 
> https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/ for more info.

Perhaps it would help to explain why you need the 8.4 release?  I’d there a 
feature you need not in the version in C7? 

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade OpenSSH version to the latest stable version on CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core).

[Jack Bailey via CentOS]

On 2020-11-30 21:48, Peter wrote:

On 1/12/20 4:04 pm, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

I am running CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core). Is there a way to
upgrade OpenSSH version openssh-7.4p1-21.el7.x86_64 to the latest stable
version openssh-server 8.4 using yum repositories or rpm binaries?


No, 7.4p1-21 is the most recent up to date version in CentOS 7. See 
https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/ for more info.


hpn-ssh might be an option. https://sourceforge.net/projects/hpnssh/

My experience with it on CentOS and Ubuntu has been very good.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade OpenSSH version to the latest stable version on CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core).

[Peter]

On 1/12/20 4:04 pm, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

I am running CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core). Is there a way to
upgrade OpenSSH version openssh-7.4p1-21.el7.x86_64 to the latest stable
version openssh-server 8.4 using yum repositories or rpm binaries?


No, 7.4p1-21 is the most recent up to date version in CentOS 7.  See 
https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/ for more info.



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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.2 from 7.8

[Natassia S]

Yeah, I've decided to get a new virtual server.

Natassia

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:29 AM Stephen John Smoogen 
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:08, Jerry Geis  wrote:
> >
> > So now that 8 is out - is it still "frowned" upon to do that in place
> > update ?
> > Is that not a good / valid solution ?
>
> It really isn't a good solution without a lot of hand work. It can be
> done but the person doing the updates needs to figure out all the
> problems before hand and probably do it multiple times to work out
> various kinks. You are basically trying to upgrade from Fedora 18 to
> Fedora 29 without anything in between. Lots of little changes have
> built up over time from packages having things as different
> dependencies to RPM modules existing in RHEL8 but not RHEL7.
>
>
> > Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 8.2 from 7.8

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:08, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> So now that 8 is out - is it still "frowned" upon to do that in place
> update ?
> Is that not a good / valid solution ?

It really isn't a good solution without a lot of hand work. It can be
done but the person doing the updates needs to figure out all the
problems before hand and probably do it multiple times to work out
various kinks. You are basically trying to upgrade from Fedora 18 to
Fedora 29 without anything in between. Lots of little changes have
built up over time from packages having things as different
dependencies to RPM modules existing in RHEL8 but not RHEL7.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from Centos 7 to Centos 8

[John Pierce]

Huh?I did remote installs all the time at my last $job.It's easiest
if it's either a VM or a physical server with IPMI

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 9:57 AM Stefano Simonucci <
stefanosimonucci@alice.it> wrote:

> OK. I understand. Unfortunately the server has been assigned to me
> remotely and I cannot physically reinstall Centos 8.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Stefano
>
> On 08/04/20 18:17, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 05:50:44PM +0200, Stefano Simonucci wrote:
> >> I followed the directions found on the web (by installing dnf and so
> on),
> >> but when I tried to install centos-release I get
> > Unfortunately, there are a lot of web sites out there with bad
> > information.
> >
> > There's no support for updating from C7 to C8.  It's likely to result
> > in a broken system even if you are careful and know what you're
> > doing.
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from Centos 7 to Centos 8

[Stefano Simonucci]

OK. I understand. Unfortunately the server has been assigned to me 
remotely and I cannot physically reinstall Centos 8.


Thank you very much.

Stefano

On 08/04/20 18:17, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 05:50:44PM +0200, Stefano Simonucci wrote:

I followed the directions found on the web (by installing dnf and so on),
but when I tried to install centos-release I get

Unfortunately, there are a lot of web sites out there with bad
information.

There's no support for updating from C7 to C8.  It's likely to result
in a broken system even if you are careful and know what you're
doing.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from Centos 7 to Centos 8

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On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 05:50:44PM +0200, Stefano Simonucci wrote:
> > I followed the directions found on the web (by installing dnf and so on),
> > but when I tried to install centos-release I get
> 
> Unfortunately, there are a lot of web sites out there with bad
> information.
> 
> There's no support for updating from C7 to C8.  It's likely to result
> in a broken system even if you are careful and know what you're
> doing.  

I would also keep in mind, depending upon your use of C7, that a lot of
packages have not yet been created for CentOS-8. I had to build several
from srpms (some from older Fedora ones, like F28 and F30) and some from
C7 srpms.  (By the way, if anyone made an rpm for C8 for weechat, please
send me a direct email, I've been unable to get a version that works with
weechat's python support).

Anyway, figure out your essential programs and make sure they're available
in CentOS-8. You will almost certainly want to enable the EPEL-testing repo
as well as a few others (such as rpmfusion if you're using any multimedia
stuff). 

If you're using it as a basic server without X, you're probably alright.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from Centos 7 to Centos 8

[Jonathan Billings]

On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 05:50:44PM +0200, Stefano Simonucci wrote:
> I followed the directions found on the web (by installing dnf and so on),
> but when I tried to install centos-release I get

Unfortunately, there are a lot of web sites out there with bad
information.

There's no support for updating from C7 to C8.  It's likely to result
in a broken system even if you are careful and know what you're
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from Centos 7 to Centos 8

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 08.04.2020 um 17:50 schrieb Stefano Simonucci:

Does anyone know how to upgrade?

Thanks

Stefano


There is no supported way to run an inplace upgrade. Backup your data 
and run a fresh install.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Patrick DERWAEL]

So that means I have no excuse not doing the job

Thanks!

Le dim. 29 mars 2020 à 21:51, Phil Perry  a écrit :

> On 29/03/2020 14:31, Patrick DERWAEL wrote:
> > Hi Phil
> >
> > Here it is:
> >
> >
> > [root@totorbex ~]# lspci -nn
> > .00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> > Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register
> [8086:2280]
> > (rev 21)
> > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation
> > Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics
> > Controller [8086:22b1] (rev 21)
>
> ^^ video is supported by the i915 driver
>
> > 00:10.0 SD Host controller [0805]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> > Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series MMC Controller [8086:2294] (rev 21)
> > 00:13.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> > Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SATA Controller [8086:22a3] (rev
> 21)
> > 00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> > Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series USB xHCI Controller [8086:22b5]
> (rev
> > 21)
> > 00:1a.0 Encryption controller [1080]: Intel Corporation
> > Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series Trusted
> > Execution Engine [8086:2298] (rev 21)
> > 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> > Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller
> > [8086:2284] (rev 21)
>
> ^^ supported by snd_hda_intel
>
> > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #1 [8086:22c8] (rev 21)
> > 00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #2 [8086:22ca] (rev 21)
> > 00:1c.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #3 [8086:22cc] (rev 21)
> > 00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #4 [8086:22ce] (rev 21)
> > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
> Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCU [8086:229c] (rev 21)
> > 00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
> > x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx SMBus Controller [8086:2292] (rev 21)
> > 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> > RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168]
> (rev
> > 0c)
> > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> > RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168]
> (rev
> > 0c)
>
> ^^ supported by r8169
>
> > 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160
> > [8086:08b3] (rev 83)
>
> ^^ supported by iwlwifi
>
> So looks like your gfx, wifi and ethernet are all covered :-)
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Phil Perry]

On 29/03/2020 14:31, Patrick DERWAEL wrote:

Hi Phil

Here it is:


[root@totorbex ~]# lspci -nn
.00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register [8086:2280]
(rev 21)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation
Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics
Controller [8086:22b1] (rev 21)


^^ video is supported by the i915 driver


00:10.0 SD Host controller [0805]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series MMC Controller [8086:2294] (rev 21)
00:13.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SATA Controller [8086:22a3] (rev 21)
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series USB xHCI Controller [8086:22b5] (rev
21)
00:1a.0 Encryption controller [1080]: Intel Corporation
Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series Trusted
Execution Engine [8086:2298] (rev 21)
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller
[8086:2284] (rev 21)


^^ supported by snd_hda_intel


00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #1 [8086:22c8] (rev 21)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #2 [8086:22ca] (rev 21)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #3 [8086:22cc] (rev 21)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #4 [8086:22ce] (rev 21)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCU [8086:229c] (rev 21)
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx SMBus Controller [8086:2292] (rev 21)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev
0c)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev
0c)


^^ supported by r8169


04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160
[8086:08b3] (rev 83)


^^ supported by iwlwifi

So looks like your gfx, wifi and ethernet are all covered :-)


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:31:02PM +0200, Patrick DERWAEL wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have the infra (nor the knowledge or expertise) to create a
> > LiveCD
> > > I didn't think about Fedora. This is indeed a good pointer, I will
> > > definitely try that
> > > Actually, I'm not too worried about the basics, but rather about the
> > wifi,
> > > audio & video drivers (one of the boxes is a multimedia system)

You might be able to test it all from the install CD. Once you've begun the
install alt+F2 (sometimes ctl+alt+F2) will give you a shell. Also, setting
up the network should tell you if the wireless works.  (Though, for
example, in an F31 install, wireless worked during installation, but after
first boot, I had to connect through ethernet and download the drivers, but
at least you should be able to see if it works during installation. 

Depending upon what you choose to install when you pick software, you may
have to download some drivers after install.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Patrick DERWAEL]

Hi Phil

Here it is:


[root@totorbex ~]# lspci -nn
.00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register [8086:2280]
(rev 21)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation
Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics
Controller [8086:22b1] (rev 21)
00:10.0 SD Host controller [0805]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series MMC Controller [8086:2294] (rev 21)
00:13.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SATA Controller [8086:22a3] (rev 21)
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series USB xHCI Controller [8086:22b5] (rev
21)
00:1a.0 Encryption controller [1080]: Intel Corporation
Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series Trusted
Execution Engine [8086:2298] (rev 21)
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium
Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller
[8086:2284] (rev 21)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #1 [8086:22c8] (rev 21)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #2 [8086:22ca] (rev 21)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #3 [8086:22cc] (rev 21)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #4 [8086:22ce] (rev 21)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCU [8086:229c] (rev 21)
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor
x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx SMBus Controller [8086:2292] (rev 21)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev
0c)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev
0c)
04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160
[8086:08b3] (rev 83)
[root@totorbex ~]#





[root@plex ~]# lspci -nn
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500
v5/6th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [8086:1904] (rev 08)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD
Graphics 520] [8086:1916] (rev 07)
00:08.0 System peripheral [0880]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/v6 /
E3-1500 v5 / 6th/7th Gen Core Processor Gaussian Mixture Model [8086:1911]
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0
xHCI Controller [8086:9d2f] (rev 21)
00:14.2 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise
Point-LP Thermal subsystem [8086:9d31] (rev 21)
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP
CSME HECI #1 [8086:9d3a] (rev 21)
00:17.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SATA
Controller [AHCI mode] [8086:9d03] (rev 21)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express
Root Port #4 [8086:9d13] (rev f1)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express
Root Port #5 [8086:9d14] (rev f1)
00:1d.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d1b] (rev f1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP LPC
Controller [8086:9d48] (rev 21)
00:1f.2 Memory controller [0580]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PMC
[8086:9d21] (rev 21)
00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
[8086:9d70] (rev 21)
00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SMBus [8086:9d23]
(rev 21)
01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev
0c)
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165
[8086:3165] (rev 81)
03:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1142 USB 3.1 Host
Controller [1b21:1242]
[root@plex ~]#




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Le dim. 29 mars 2020 à 15:05, Phil Perry  a écrit :

> On 29/03/2020 13:52, Patrick DERWAEL wrote:
> > Hi Leon,
> >
> > I don't have the infra (nor the knowledge or expertise) to create a
> LiveCD
> > I didn't think about Fedora. This is indeed a good pointer, I will
> > definitely try that
> > Actually, I'm not too worried about the basics, but rather about the
> wifi,
> > audio & video drivers (one of the boxes is a multimedia system)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>

Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Benson Muite]

> > 
> > I don't have the infra (nor the knowledge or expertise) to create a LiveCD
> > I didn't think about Fedora. This is indeed a good pointer, I will
> > definitely try that
Seems doable, though documentation could be updated
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/

Is there a crowd sourced list of machines people have used Cent OS 8 on? If not 
what information would be useful to have on such a list to avoid redundancy but 
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Phil Perry]

On 29/03/2020 13:52, Patrick DERWAEL wrote:

Hi Leon,

I don't have the infra (nor the knowledge or expertise) to create a LiveCD
I didn't think about Fedora. This is indeed a good pointer, I will
definitely try that
Actually, I'm not too worried about the basics, but rather about the wifi,
audio & video drivers (one of the boxes is a multimedia system)

Thanks!



If you can post the vendor:device IDs (lspci -nn) of those devices from 
your el7 install, we can tell you if those devices are supported on el8.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Patrick DERWAEL]

Hi Leon,

I don't have the infra (nor the knowledge or expertise) to create a LiveCD
I didn't think about Fedora. This is indeed a good pointer, I will
definitely try that
Actually, I'm not too worried about the basics, but rather about the wifi,
audio & video drivers (one of the boxes is a multimedia system)

Thanks!


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Le dim. 29 mars 2020 à 14:43, Leon Fauster via CentOS  a
écrit :

> Am 29.03.20 um 14:16 schrieb Patrick DERWAEL:
> > Hi folks
> > I have a couple of Zotac mini PCs running CentOS7 which I want/need to
> > upgrade to CentOS8
> > In theory, they are CentOS8 capable, but assuming Murphy might be lurking
> > around, I prefer validating the hardware before starting the effective
> > installation
> >
> > As there is no LiveCD, what would be the recommended way to do this?
>
> No LiveCD, no recommendation but I see two options: If you have the
> infra (workstation/build/mock/imagebuilder) you can generate a custom
> spin / LiveCD, or just use a similar Fedora LiveCD to get an idea if you
> run in major problems. EL8 has some OS areas better equipped with
> backport etc. then the vanilla Fedora release but for a raw test its
> worth to try a fedora LiveCD - EL8 is "similar to" / "a mix of"  Fedora
> 27/28/29 ...
>
> BTW, starting the CentOS8 iso also shows if it boots at all ... :-)
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to CentOS8

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 29.03.20 um 14:16 schrieb Patrick DERWAEL:

Hi folks
I have a couple of Zotac mini PCs running CentOS7 which I want/need to
upgrade to CentOS8
In theory, they are CentOS8 capable, but assuming Murphy might be lurking
around, I prefer validating the hardware before starting the effective
installation

As there is no LiveCD, what would be the recommended way to do this?


No LiveCD, no recommendation but I see two options: If you have the 
infra (workstation/build/mock/imagebuilder) you can generate a custom 
spin / LiveCD, or just use a similar Fedora LiveCD to get an idea if you
run in major problems. EL8 has some OS areas better equipped with 
backport etc. then the vanilla Fedora release but for a raw test its 
worth to try a fedora LiveCD - EL8 is "similar to" / "a mix of"  Fedora 
27/28/29 ...


BTW, starting the CentOS8 iso also shows if it boots at all ... :-)

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Kenneth Porter]

--On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:27 AM -0500 Salim Shaw 
 wrote:



Dude, purchase a new computer. Almost all modern OSes stopped supporting
32bit architectures.


Even a Raspberry Pi would be superior! Were I so budget-constrained, I'd 
just buy one of those. (Reserve CentOS for use with bigger and newer iron.)


I regularly see posts from people with machines a few years old who have to 
custom-spin drivers for their aging video, network, and RAID cards.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 27/11/2019 à 15:18, Ger van Dijck a écrit :
> I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running (Do not
> laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the bootloader
> on this OS and other OS s.
> 
> 
> Is there a way to opgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 in the 32 Bits architecture ?

There is a nice HOWTO nailed on the Church of Wittenberg.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Yves Bellefeuille]

"John Pierce"  wrote:

> I googled it, and it appears an Acer 2000 is a Pentium-M 1.6 Ghz with
> 512MB to 2GB max ram.

With that kind of hardware, I'd try Debian, and if that doesn't work,
one of the distributions designed specifically for old hardware
(perhaps Bodhi, otherwise SliTaz).

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Leroy Tennison]

-> With Debian, the biggest difference is update (if you are using the 
command-line).

Another big difference is the location and format of the networking files - 
/etc/network/interfaces instead of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg*.

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> I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running (Do
> not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the
> bootloader on this OS and other OS s.

There is a group that voluntarily maintains a 32-bit CentOS 7.  I installed
that on an old Dell Celeron desktop.  The performance was so poor, it was
unusable.  Then, I tried the lubuntu distro, and that has been running
smoothly since July.  It is also well-maintained, as there are regular
updates.  Lubuntu is a derivitive of Ubuntu, which is a derivative of Debian.
With Debian, the biggest difference is update (if you are using the command-
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[MAILIST]

> I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running (Do
> not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the
> bootloader on this OS and other OS s.

There is a group that voluntarily maintains a 32-bit CentOS 7.  I installed
that on an old Dell Celeron desktop.  The performance was so poor, it was
unusable.  Then, I tried the lubuntu distro, and that has been running
smoothly since July.  It is also well-maintained, as there are regular
updates.  Lubuntu is a derivitive of Ubuntu, which is a derivative of Debian.
With Debian, the biggest difference is update (if you are using the command-
line).

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 2019-11-27 08:59, John Pierce wrote:

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 6:31 AM Mauricio Tavares 
wrote:


On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:18 AM Ger van Dijck 
wrote:


Hi all ,




I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running

(Do

not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the
bootloader on this OS and other OS s.


Is there a way to opgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 in the 32 Bits

architecture

?


   As far as I know, you cannot upgrade as you would with ubuntu
but have to do a full install. 32 bit images for centos 7 are found at
http://isoredirect.centos.org/altarch/7/isos/i386/



I googled it, and it appears an Acer 2000 is a Pentium-M 1.6 Ghz with 512MB
to 2GB max ram.   I would stick with whatever is working on it, or put it
out of its misery.


You can put one of BSD descendants on it, it will keep flying like a 
bird happily. Tougher thing would be to find something you will make it 
busy with, if you have younger, bigger, nicer replacement for it.


Valeri



My suggestion would be a significantly newer system that supports
virtualization, and run your SCO and whatever in VMs rather than trying to
multi-boot.




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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[John Pierce]

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 6:31 AM Mauricio Tavares 
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:18 AM Ger van Dijck 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running
> (Do
> > not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the
> > bootloader on this OS and other OS s.
> >
> >
> > Is there a way to opgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 in the 32 Bits
> architecture
> > ?
> >
>   As far as I know, you cannot upgrade as you would with ubuntu
> but have to do a full install. 32 bit images for centos 7 are found at
> http://isoredirect.centos.org/altarch/7/isos/i386/


I googled it, and it appears an Acer 2000 is a Pentium-M 1.6 Ghz with 512MB
to 2GB max ram.   I would stick with whatever is working on it, or put it
out of its misery.

My suggestion would be a significantly newer system that supports
virtualization, and run your SCO and whatever in VMs rather than trying to
multi-boot.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:18 AM Ger van Dijck  wrote:
>
> Hi all ,
>
>
>
>
> I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running (Do
> not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the
> bootloader on this OS and other OS s.
>
>
> Is there a way to opgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 in the 32 Bits architecture
> ?
>
  As far as I know, you cannot upgrade as you would with ubuntu
but have to do a full install. 32 bit images for centos 7 are found at
http://isoredirect.centos.org/altarch/7/isos/i386/

> Any help would be usefull.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 (32 Bits) to Centos 7 (32 Bits)

[Salim Shaw]

Dude, purchase a new computer. Almost all modern OSes stopped supporting 32bit 
architectures.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Hi all ,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have a very old PC ( Acer2000) 32 Bits. On this machine I am running (Do 
> not laugh) SCO Unix in an antique version : So Centos6 probes with the 
> bootloader on this OS and other OS s.
> 
> 
> Is there a way to opgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 in the 32 Bits architecture 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Any help would be usefull.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Jonathan Billings]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 03:59:00PM +0530, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> Thanks Fabian for the quick response. I understand it completely about the
> security compliance requirements. I will use the below commands to keep all
> the security patches up to date.
> 
> #yum list-security --security
> #yum update --security

Its worth mentioning again that the above will not do anything to
install security updates in CentOS using the CentOS mirrors.  Those
repositories don't provide the security metadata, so the above is
essentially a no-op.  

> Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
> to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support if we
> upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
> requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.

Since you're using a commercial product, perhaps you should invest in
RHEL 7.  You can get 7.5.z repositories that will get security updates
(as well as metadata that make 'yum update --security' do what you
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:47:30 + (UTC) CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> In article <68ce2ebfe8545ef4eda869657c72b9be.squir...@webmail.bi.invoca.ch>,
> Simon Matter via CentOS  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:49 PM Kenneth Porter 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 1/6/2019 10:51 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> > >> > the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
> > >> > release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now.
> > >>
> > >> What product and what, specifically, about 7.6 does it not support?
> > >> Could you not just exclude the incompatible packages? You could then
> > >> provide your own repo for the incompatible packages drawn from 7.5 and
> > >> backport any security fixes for those packages yourself.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Hi Kenneth,
> > >
> > > I am referring to https://docs.apigee.com/release/supported-software
> > 
> > Interesting, looking around apigee (part of Google) website I see a lot of
> > words like "Security" or "TLS" and I'm wondering how this fits with only
> > supporting outdated operating systems?
> 
> Well, it's only a month since CentOS "7.6" was released, and some of that
> month has been taken up with Christmas holidays.
> 
> So I would think it is probably not a case of "we won't support 7.6" but 
> rather
> that "we haven't yet finished testing it on 7.6".

And/or "The Webmaster [of the apigee.com website] has not gotten around to
changing the website, since he/she has been out of the office because of
Christmas." Given the nature of CentOS / RHEL point updates, unless something
really odd happens, support for point updates is pretty much a no-brainer.  Eg 
if 7.5 is supported, so is 7.6.

> 
> Cheers
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Tony Mountifield]

In article <68ce2ebfe8545ef4eda869657c72b9be.squir...@webmail.bi.invoca.ch>,
Simon Matter via CentOS  wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:49 PM Kenneth Porter 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/6/2019 10:51 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> >> > the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
> >> > release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now.
> >>
> >> What product and what, specifically, about 7.6 does it not support?
> >> Could you not just exclude the incompatible packages? You could then
> >> provide your own repo for the incompatible packages drawn from 7.5 and
> >> backport any security fixes for those packages yourself.
> >>
> >
> > Hi Kenneth,
> >
> > I am referring to https://docs.apigee.com/release/supported-software
> 
> Interesting, looking around apigee (part of Google) website I see a lot of
> words like "Security" or "TLS" and I'm wondering how this fits with only
> supporting outdated operating systems?

Well, it's only a month since CentOS "7.6" was released, and some of that
month has been taken up with Christmas holidays.

So I would think it is probably not a case of "we won't support 7.6" but rather
that "we haven't yet finished testing it on 7.6".

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Simon Matter via CentOS]

> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:49 PM Kenneth Porter 
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/2019 10:51 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>> > the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
>> > release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now.
>>
>> What product and what, specifically, about 7.6 does it not support?
>> Could you not just exclude the incompatible packages? You could then
>> provide your own repo for the incompatible packages drawn from 7.5 and
>> backport any security fixes for those packages yourself.
>>
>
> Hi Kenneth,
>
> I am referring to https://docs.apigee.com/release/supported-software

Interesting, looking around apigee (part of Google) website I see a lot of
words like "Security" or "TLS" and I'm wondering how this fits with only
supporting outdated operating systems?

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Kaushal Shriyan]

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:49 PM Kenneth Porter  wrote:

> On 1/6/2019 10:51 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> > the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
> > release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now.
>
> What product and what, specifically, about 7.6 does it not support?
> Could you not just exclude the incompatible packages? You could then
> provide your own repo for the incompatible packages drawn from 7.5 and
> backport any security fixes for those packages yourself.
>

Hi Kenneth,

I am referring to https://docs.apigee.com/release/supported-software

Best Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Kenneth Porter]

On 1/6/2019 10:51 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now.


What product and what, specifically, about 7.6 does it not support? 
Could you not just exclude the incompatible packages? You could then 
provide your own repo for the incompatible packages drawn from 7.5 and 
backport any security fixes for those packages yourself.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Fabian Arrotin]

On 07/01/2019 11:40, Miroslav Geisselreiter wrote:
> Dne 7.1.2019 v 11:29 Kaushal Shriyan napsal(a):
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:49 PM Fabian Arrotin  wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/01/2019 07:51, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
 Hi,

 Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core) to
 Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) and not up to CentOS Linux release
 7.6.1810 (Core) as the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
 release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now. It is still a work in
>>> progress.
 Any help will be highly appreciable. I look forward to hearing from
 you.

 Thanks in Advance.

 Best Regards,

 Kaushal
>>> Well, there is no 7.6, nor 7.5, but only centos 7, with updates 
>>> meaning that it just represent which updates were rolled-in at install
>>> time, nothing else.
>>> So if you don't want to apply updates, it's of course up to you, but
>>> then you're on your own for all security issues ;-)
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>> Thanks Fabian for the quick response. I understand it completely about
>> the
>> security compliance requirements. I will use the below commands to
>> keep all
>> the security patches up to date.
>>
>> #yum list-security --security
>> #yum update --security
>>
>> Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
>> to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support
>> if we
>> upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
>> requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Thanks in Advance.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Kaushal
>>
> Maybe you can use also commands:
> 
> # yum --security check-update
> # yum --security update
> 

No, as there is no metadata for this anyway, so it's useless ;-)


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> 
> Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
> to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support if we
> upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
> requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.
> 

Not if you use the default mirror list.

The easiest and most sustainable way of doing it is to create your own
local mirror of CentOS and point your .repo files at that. You can then
decide exactly what is available to your host as upgrades.

If you don't want to do that then you need point your .repo files at a
single *nearby* host and adjust the baseurl to replace '$releasever'
with '7.5.1804'.

But remember that the 7.5.1804 tree will no longer receive *any*
updates, so this really can not be recommended for any machine.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Giles Coochey]

On 07/01/2019 10:29, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:49 PM Fabian Arrotin  wrote:


On 07/01/2019 07:51, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core) to
Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) and not up to CentOS Linux release
7.6.1810 (Core) as the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now. It is still a work in

progress.

Any help will be highly appreciable. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Kaushal

Well, there is no 7.6, nor 7.5, but only centos 7, with updates 
meaning that it just represent which updates were rolled-in at install
time, nothing else.
So if you don't want to apply updates, it's of course up to you, but
then you're on your own for all security issues ;-)

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Thanks Fabian for the quick response. I understand it completely about the
security compliance requirements. I will use the below commands to keep all
the security patches up to date.

#yum list-security --security
#yum update --security

Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support if we
upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Kaushal
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You should not do this, but set your repo to use vault.centos.org e.g. 
http://vault.centos.org/7.5.1804/updates/x86_64/


Then do yum updates, then set it back to what it was before.

The likelyhood is that your software supplier, and possibly yourself, do 
not actually understand the Centos Reaase Scheme.


https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-3ac1bdb51f0fecde1f98142cef90e887b1b12a00


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Miroslav Geisselreiter]

Dne 7.1.2019 v 11:29 Kaushal Shriyan napsal(a):

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:49 PM Fabian Arrotin  wrote:


On 07/01/2019 07:51, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core) to
Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) and not up to CentOS Linux release
7.6.1810 (Core) as the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now. It is still a work in

progress.

Any help will be highly appreciable. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Kaushal

Well, there is no 7.6, nor 7.5, but only centos 7, with updates 
meaning that it just represent which updates were rolled-in at install
time, nothing else.
So if you don't want to apply updates, it's of course up to you, but
then you're on your own for all security issues ;-)

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Thanks Fabian for the quick response. I understand it completely about the
security compliance requirements. I will use the below commands to keep all
the security patches up to date.

#yum list-security --security
#yum update --security

Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support if we
upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Kaushal


Maybe you can use also commands:

# yum --security check-update
# yum --security update


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Kaushal Shriyan]

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:49 PM Fabian Arrotin  wrote:

> On 07/01/2019 07:51, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core) to
> > Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) and not up to CentOS Linux release
> > 7.6.1810 (Core) as the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
> > release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now. It is still a work in
> progress.
> > Any help will be highly appreciable. I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Kaushal
>
> Well, there is no 7.6, nor 7.5, but only centos 7, with updates 
> meaning that it just represent which updates were rolled-in at install
> time, nothing else.
> So if you don't want to apply updates, it's of course up to you, but
> then you're on your own for all security issues ;-)
>
> --
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>

Thanks Fabian for the quick response. I understand it completely about the
security compliance requirements. I will use the below commands to keep all
the security patches up to date.

#yum list-security --security
#yum update --security

Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core)
to Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) as we will not avail support if we
upgrade it to CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core) as per the software
requirements of the product. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade CentOS 7.4 to 7.5 and don't want to upgrade it to 7.6

[Fabian Arrotin]

On 07/01/2019 07:51, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to upgrade from Centos Linux release 7.4.1708 (Core) to
> Centos Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) and not up to CentOS Linux release
> 7.6.1810 (Core) as the product does not support the latest CentOS Linux
> release 7.6.1810 (Core) version as of now. It is still a work in progress.
> Any help will be highly appreciable. I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Thanks in Advance.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kaushal

Well, there is no 7.6, nor 7.5, but only centos 7, with updates 
meaning that it just represent which updates were rolled-in at install
time, nothing else.
So if you don't want to apply updates, it's of course up to you, but
then you're on your own for all security issues ;-)

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Jonathan Billings]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:18:08AM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The /var/run symlink to /run is part of the 'filesystem' package, and
> has existed as a symlink since 7.0.1406 was released:
> 
> $ rpmls -l 
> http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
>  |grep /var/run
> lrwxrwxrwx  root root /var/run

More specifically, the 'filesystem' package creates and symlinks the
/var/run directory as part of the pretrans scriptlet (which is a lua
script):

$ rpm -q --scripts 
http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
 

pretrans scriptlet (using ):
--# If we are running in pretrans in a fresh root, there is no /usr and
--# symlinks. We cannot be sure, to be the very first rpm in the
--# transaction list. Let's create the needed base directories and symlinks
--# here, to place the files from other packages in the right locations.
--# When our rpm is unpacked by cpio, it will set all permissions and modes
--# later.
posix.mkdir("/usr")
posix.mkdir("/usr/bin")
posix.mkdir("/usr/sbin")
posix.mkdir("/usr/lib")
posix.mkdir("/usr/lib/debug")
posix.mkdir("/usr/lib/debug/usr")
posix.mkdir("/usr/lib64")
posix.symlink("usr/bin", "/bin")
posix.symlink("usr/sbin", "/sbin")
posix.symlink("usr/lib", "/lib")
posix.symlink("usr/bin", "/usr/lib/debug/bin")
posix.symlink("usr/lib", "/usr/lib/debug/lib")
posix.symlink("usr/lib64", "/usr/lib/debug/lib64")
posix.symlink("../.dwz", "/usr/lib/debug/usr/.dwz")
posix.symlink("usr/sbin", "/usr/lib/debug/sbin")
posix.symlink("usr/lib64", "/lib64")
posix.mkdir("/run")
posix.symlink("../run", "/var/run")
posix.symlink("../run/lock", "/var/lock")
return 0
posttrans scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
#/bin/sh dependency should not be problem for posttrans
#we need to restorecon on some dirs created in %pretrans or by other packages
restorecon /var/run 2>/dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon /var/lock 2>/dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon -r /usr/lib/debug/ 2>/dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon /sys 2>/dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon /boot 2>dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon /proc 2>dev/null >/dev/null || :
restorecon /dev 2>dev/null >/dev/null || :


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Jonathan Billings]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 02:25:58PM +0200, Anand Buddhdev wrote:
> I've never seen "rpmls". Is it an actual command, or your personal
> alias? I would have done:

Sorry, rpmls is part of the rpmdevtools package.  It's the equivalent
to running:

rpm -q --qf="[%-11{filemodes:perms} %-8{fileusername} %-8{filegroupname} 
$owner%{filenames}\\n]" 
http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
 


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[John Hodrien]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Anand Buddhdev wrote:


I would have done:

rpm -qlvp 
http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
 |grep /var/run


And you would have seen that it does provide it?

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Anand Buddhdev]

On 05/07/2018 14:18, Jonathan Billings wrote:

> The /var/run symlink to /run is part of the 'filesystem' package, and
> has existed as a symlink since 7.0.1406 was released:
> 
> $ rpmls -l 
> http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
>  |grep /var/run
> lrwxrwxrwx  root root /var/run

I've never seen "rpmls". Is it an actual command, or your personal
alias? I would have done:

rpm -qlvp
http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
|grep /var/run

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Jonathan Billings]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 11:26:28AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> After a manual fix I have that, too. Point is that for historic
> hosts this symlink doesn't exist. The upgrade fails due to dbus
> becoming unavailable. And the next reboot fails, too, because
> the symlink is not created automatically.
> 
> Can you confirm this?

The /var/run symlink to /run is part of the 'filesystem' package, and
has existed as a symlink since 7.0.1406 was released:

$ rpmls -l 
http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/x86_64/Packages/filesystem-3.2-18.el7.x86_64.rpm
 |grep /var/run
lrwxrwxrwx  root root /var/run

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Harald Dunkel]

After a manual fix I have that, too. Point is that for historic
hosts this symlink doesn't exist. The upgrade fails due to dbus
becoming unavailable. And the next reboot fails, too, because
the symlink is not created automatically.

Can you confirm this?


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade 7.4 --> 7.5: dbus broken

[Gordon Messmer]

On 07/03/2018 02:16 AM, Harald Dunkel wrote:


Please note the "/run/dbus/system_bus_socket". AFAICT thats new. 
Shouldn't it listen
on /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket for backward compatibility as well? 


Yes and no.

$ ls -ld /var/run
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 6 Dec 13  2017 /var/run -> ../run/

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 32 Bits i686 architecture.

[Johnny Hughes]

On 03/18/2018 07:27 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> 
> Hi ,
> 
> 
> I am running Centos 6 on an old Acer S2000 PC 1Mb memory and i686 32
> bits architecture.
> 
> Question : Is there a possibility to upgrade to Centos 7 32 bits ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards ,
> 
> 
> Ger van Dijck.

I assume you mean 1GB and not 1MB RAM.  Even at 1GB, it will not be a
very pleasant experience.  That is basically the bear minimum to do an
install.

I would NOT recommend a CentOS-7 GUI install with 1GB RAM.



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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 32 Bits i686 architecture.

[Leon Fauster]

Am 18.03.2018 um 13:27 schrieb Ger van Dijck :
> I am running Centos 6 on an old Acer S2000 PC 1Mb memory and i686 32 bits 
> architecture.
> 
> Question : Is there a possibility to upgrade to Centos 7 32 bits ?


Especially for version 7 there exists an alternative architecture support 
(different from mainline):

https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch

https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/i386

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Centos 6 to Centos 7 32 Bits i686 architecture.

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 18/03/2018 à 13:27, Ger van Dijck a écrit :
> Question : Is there a possibility to upgrade to Centos 7 32 bits ?

Yes. Do a fresh installation of CentOS 7 32-bits.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade to 7.4 ZFS issue

[Johnny Hughes]

On 09/22/2017 06:25 AM, Thomas Roth wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a server running 7.3 using the zfs-kmod packages from
> zfsonlinux.org.
> For the update to 7.4, I followed
> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/RHEL-&-CentOS: removal of all zfs
> - and related packages and installation of the zfs-release.7.4.noarch.rpm
> Afterwards, yum will find almost all packages from that repository -
> except for the zfs-0.7.1-1.el7_4.x86_64.rpm itself ("ZFS command line
> utilities").
> However, the package is there, I can get it via wget!
> Of course I tried cleaning yum + caches, not removing the zfs packages,
> removing them before reboot, removing them after booting into 
> 3.10.0-693 - all of which makes no difference.
> 
> On a fresh installation (aka starting with 7.4), this problem does not
> occur.
> 
> 
> Regardless of any ZFS specifics, what could cause yum to exclude one
> single package file from an otherwise perfectly accessible repo?
> 

The only way would be bad metadata at the site, an exclude in either
/etc/yum.conf or the applicable repo file, or something like an obsolete
in an installed or repo package that causes that package to be filtered out.

You can use yum install ./ to try to install a local rpm and
see what it tells you.




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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[ken]

On 09/19/2017 12:40 PM, Richard wrote:

Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:32:00 -0400
From: Pete Geenhuizen 

On 09/19/17 11:58, Richard wrote:



Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:53:24 -0400
From: Pete Geenhuizen 

On 09/19/17 11:44, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

Pete Geenhuizen wrote:

I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went
well except that I can't login because the screen is black with
a cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel
issue with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.


Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.

   mark, fighting 7.4 and two users who need the 304 NVidia
   drivers



Agreed if I was using an add-on video card, however I'm just using
the no-board video.


I'm using 7.4/Mate on a Dell machine with Skylake i5-7500/Graphics
630, without any issues. I installed 7.3 then did initial updates
via CR, and then the final ones when released the other day. Had to
change my default mate theme (due to gtk2/3 issues) but otherwise
all has been fine.


Hmm I did the same thing other than the Dell and i5-7500, I didn't
use CR but waited for the official release.  I wonder if I'm
experiencing the same theme issue with my mate these  If that is
the what should I look for to verify that gtk2/3 is the issue, or
what theme are you using?

Pete


The mate-gtk2/3 issue effects windows/menus/scrollbars and the like,
not the login screen. See:



for that issue. I switched to the Adwaita theme, as suggested there.



My situation is similar, but different:

After wrestling with it for a half-day, I successfully completed the 
update to 7.4, but as part of that I had to "rpm -e 
gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.4.5-6.el7_3.x86_64 cheese totem 
totem-nautilus" so I could "yum update 
gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.10.4-1.el7.x86_64" and reinstall cheese, totem 
and totem-nautilus.  Then I had no sound at all anywhere on the system, 
even in audacity and in vlc, both of which *always* work, even when 
sound doesn't work in firefox and other apps.


Also, I wanted to check my firewall settings prior to rebooting, so 
clicked on "firewalld" in the "Applications" menu.  As soon as I did 
that, at the very moment I did that, my entire screen flashed and 
repainted itself.  But the screen was different.  All the borders on all 
the windows were gone.  Not only that, my touchpad quit working almost 
everywhere.  I can't use the touchpad to focus on a different window, to 
drag-and-move a window, to click on link in firefox, to click on any 
buttons in thunderbird, and much more. It still works in the text areas 
of windows for other things... e.g., I can scroll text up and down 
inside of windows (using standard double-finger drag), but little else.  
I plugged in a USB mouse and it works on everything... everything the 
touchpad used to do.


I mention the firewalld/window-manager/touchpad horkiness because it 
might cast some light on the "mate" issues mentioned above... point to a 
deeper source to the problem.


This has been the weirdest update I've ever done.  Maybe things will 
clear up after I reboot.  I'm hoping.  But thought I'd get that info out 
in case you don't hear from me in a while (when I eventually reboot into 
the new kernel).


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Pete Geenhuizen]

On 09/20/17 10:41, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:


I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well
except that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel issue
with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.

Has anyone else run into this problem and if so can how I resolve the
problem other than using the previous kernel?

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Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz Skylake

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Pete



Pete,

I have had various assortment of problems with 7.4 to the point that I
quit upgrading the rest of our PC's with 7.4 until the problems are
identified and fixed.  The only work around that I could come up with is
to use the last 7.3 os which at least made each unit usable.

As you know, most of the time these upgrades have been seamless because
the Centos team has done a wonderful job.  However, the upgrade to 7.4
has some problems, and I decided to stop the upgrade of our remaining
units until 7.4 works as well as 7.3.

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Greg,
I've done 5 upgrades so far without any issues.  This is the first one 
that has a problem and after some experimenting it looks like the kernel 
is identifying both the analog and digital ports and making the digital 
display the primary.  I use a KVM switch and needless to say it's a 
royal pain to have to switch back and forth to accommodate this one 
host.  Like you I settled on using th3 previous perfectly working 7.3 
kernel, not optimum but it does work.


I've also decided to get a graphics card in lieu of the on-board 
graphics card in the hope that that will solve the issue with the 7.4 
kernel.


Agreed you do get used to these upgrades working seamlessly and it's a 
bummer when occasionally things don't work out exactly as planned.


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[hw]

Gregory P. Ennis wrote:



I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well
except that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel issue
with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.

Has anyone else run into this problem and if so can how I resolve the
problem other than using the previous kernel?


Hm, I didn´t connect a monitor after the upgrade, but I found that
hp-health crashes, and a core dump is created with the new kernel :(
That´s a DL380 with an x5690.

Is HP going to update their software, or is RH going to fix this?


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Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Pete



Pete,

I have had various assortment of problems with 7.4 to the point that I
quit upgrading the rest of our PC's with 7.4 until the problems are
identified and fixed.  The only work around that I could come up with is
to use the last 7.3 os which at least made each unit usable.

As you know, most of the time these upgrades have been seamless because
the Centos team has done a wonderful job.  However, the upgrade to 7.4
has some problems, and I decided to stop the upgrade of our remaining
units until 7.4 works as well as 7.3.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Gregory P. Ennis]

I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well 
except that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel 
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel issue 
with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.

Has anyone else run into this problem and if so can how I resolve the 
problem other than using the previous kernel?

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.  Z170M-PLUS
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 (rev 06)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz Skylake

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Pete



Pete,

I have had various assortment of problems with 7.4 to the point that I
quit upgrading the rest of our PC's with 7.4 until the problems are
identified and fixed.  The only work around that I could come up with is
to use the last 7.3 os which at least made each unit usable.

As you know, most of the time these upgrades have been seamless because
the Centos team has done a wonderful job.  However, the upgrade to 7.4
has some problems, and I decided to stop the upgrade of our remaining
units until 7.4 works as well as 7.3.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 11:18:15AM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:40:52 +
> Richard wrote:
> 
> > The mate-gtk2/3 issue effects windows/menus/scrollbars and the like,
> > not the login screen. See:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > for that issue. I switched to the Adwaita theme, as suggested there.
> 
> Clearlooks-phenix also works fine with the latest C7/Mate and looks more like 
> a "traditional" Gnome 2 desktop.
> 
> yum install clearlooks-phenix-gtk2-theme clearlooks-phenix-gtk3-theme
> 
> Go to the look and feel preferences setting on your desktop and select 
> Clearlooks-phenix from the list.
> 
> And afterward you can
> 
> yum remove mate-themes
> 
> if you want because it's not needed any more.

Hey Frank, thanks for that pointer. I don't particularly care for
the adwaita theme, the phenix theme is much more to my liking.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[wwp]

Hello Frank,


On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:18:15 -0600 Frank Cox  wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:40:52 +
> Richard wrote:
> 
> > The mate-gtk2/3 issue effects windows/menus/scrollbars and the like,
> > not the login screen. See:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > for that issue. I switched to the Adwaita theme, as suggested there.  
> 
> Clearlooks-phenix also works fine with the latest C7/Mate and looks more like 
> a "traditional" Gnome 2 desktop.
> 
> yum install clearlooks-phenix-gtk2-theme clearlooks-phenix-gtk3-theme
> 
> Go to the look and feel preferences setting on your desktop and select 
> Clearlooks-phenix from the list.
> 
> And afterward you can
> 
> yum remove mate-themes
> 
> if you want because it's not needed any more.

Interesting.. I could apply it here (C7/mate) and it's true that this
theme works on GTK2/GTK3. BUT customizing colors in Appearance
Preferences in Mate prefs doesn't apply to GTK3 apps.


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

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On Sep 19, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Pete Geenhuizen  wrote:
> I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well except 
> that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.


The text console (PC console) black screen with an underline cursor, or the X11 
blank console with an X cursor?

If it’s the text console, can you control-alt-F2 to a login prompt?

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Frank Cox]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:40:52 +
Richard wrote:

> The mate-gtk2/3 issue effects windows/menus/scrollbars and the like,
> not the login screen. See:
> 
> 
> 
> for that issue. I switched to the Adwaita theme, as suggested there.

Clearlooks-phenix also works fine with the latest C7/Mate and looks more like a 
"traditional" Gnome 2 desktop.

yum install clearlooks-phenix-gtk2-theme clearlooks-phenix-gtk3-theme

Go to the look and feel preferences setting on your desktop and select 
Clearlooks-phenix from the list.

And afterward you can

yum remove mate-themes

if you want because it's not needed any more.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Richard]

> Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:32:00 -0400
> From: Pete Geenhuizen 
> 
> On 09/19/17 11:58, Richard wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:53:24 -0400
>>> From: Pete Geenhuizen 
>>> 
>>> On 09/19/17 11:44, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
> I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went
> well except that I can't login because the screen is black with
> a cursor.
> 
> If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
> everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel
> issue with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.
> 
 Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.
 
   mark, fighting 7.4 and two users who need the 304 NVidia
   drivers
 
 
>>> Agreed if I was using an add-on video card, however I'm just using
>>> the no-board video.
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm using 7.4/Mate on a Dell machine with Skylake i5-7500/Graphics
>> 630, without any issues. I installed 7.3 then did initial updates
>> via CR, and then the final ones when released the other day. Had to
>> change my default mate theme (due to gtk2/3 issues) but otherwise
>> all has been fine.
>> 
> Hmm I did the same thing other than the Dell and i5-7500, I didn't
> use CR but waited for the official release.  I wonder if I'm
> experiencing the same theme issue with my mate these  If that is
> the what should I look for to verify that gtk2/3 is the issue, or
> what theme are you using?
> 
> Pete
> 

The mate-gtk2/3 issue effects windows/menus/scrollbars and the like,
not the login screen. See:



for that issue. I switched to the Adwaita theme, as suggested there.



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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Pete Geenhuizen]

On 09/19/17 11:58, Richard wrote:




Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:53:24 -0400
From: Pete Geenhuizen 

On 09/19/17 11:44, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

Pete Geenhuizen wrote:

I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went
well except that I can't login because the screen is black with a
cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel
issue with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.


Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.

  mark, fighting 7.4 and two users who need the 304 NVidia
  drivers



Agreed if I was using an add-on video card, however I'm just using
the no-board video.



I'm using 7.4/Mate on a Dell machine with Skylake i5-7500/Graphics
630, without any issues. I installed 7.3 then did initial updates via
CR, and then the final ones when released the other day. Had to
change my default mate theme (due to gtk2/3 issues) but otherwise all
has been fine.

Hmm I did the same thing other than the Dell and i5-7500, I didn't use 
CR but waited for the official release.  I wonder if I'm experiencing 
the same theme issue with my mate these  If that is the what should I 
look for to verify that gtk2/3 is the issue, or what theme are you using?


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Richard]

> Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:53:24 -0400
> From: Pete Geenhuizen 
> 
> On 09/19/17 11:44, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
>>> I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went
>>> well except that I can't login because the screen is black with a
>>> cursor.
>>> 
>>> If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
>>> everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel
>>> issue with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.
>>> 
>> Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.
>> 
>>  mark, fighting 7.4 and two users who need the 304 NVidia
>>  drivers
>> 
>> 
> Agreed if I was using an add-on video card, however I'm just using
> the no-board video.
> 


I'm using 7.4/Mate on a Dell machine with Skylake i5-7500/Graphics
630, without any issues. I installed 7.3 then did initial updates via
CR, and then the final ones when released the other day. Had to
change my default mate theme (due to gtk2/3 issues) but otherwise all
has been fine.





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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[Pete Geenhuizen]

On 09/19/17 11:44, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

Pete Geenhuizen wrote:

I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well
except that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.

If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel issue
with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.


Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade or install to Centos 7.4.1708

[m . roth]

Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
> I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 over the weekend.  Everything went well
> except that I can't login because the screen is black with a cursor.
>
> If reboot boot the 7.3 kernel 3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 kernel
> everything works just fine, so my guess is that there's a kernel issue
> with the hardware, specifically the Skylake processor.
>
Video, not the CPU, unless the CPU's also doing video.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade 6 to 7

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On 06/03/2017 06:32 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2017 09:45, "Gianluca Cecchi"  wrote:
> 
> Il 01 Giu 2017 10:13 PM, "Jerry Geis"  ha scritto:
> 
> I found this site https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool
> 
> Is this still the case - there is no upgrade path from 6 to 7 ?
> 
> I have a few remote servers I'd like to upgrade (if possible).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> It is supported, with some limitations, in rhel, so the same I think
> applies to CentOS.
> See here for rhel
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_
> Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/chap-
> Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_Planning_Guide-
> Upgrading.html#chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_
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> I suggest you pay attention to the big bold warning text stating that the
> tool is not supported on CentOS:
> 
> https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool

The CentOS Upgrade Tool needs a good team to manage it from the
community.  I have asked several times on this list for maintainers.  An
upgrade Special Interest Group could be started, or people could just
fork it and maintain it.  The Source Code for the Red Hat EL6 and EL7
tools are in git.centos.org, but they needs modification to work with
CentOS.

The above wiki page links the 3 important packages (preupgrade
assistant, upgrade tool, preupgrade assistant content)

openscap also needs to be modified to use these on CentOS.

Anyone willing to give it a go?  Check the wiki and the packages on
git.centos.org from the links on the wiki.





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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade 6 to 7

[James Hogarth]

On 2 Jun 2017 09:45, "Gianluca Cecchi"  wrote:

Il 01 Giu 2017 10:13 PM, "Jerry Geis"  ha scritto:

I found this site https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool

Is this still the case - there is no upgrade path from 6 to 7 ?

I have a few remote servers I'd like to upgrade (if possible).

Thanks,

Jerry


It is supported, with some limitations, in rhel, so the same I think
applies to CentOS.
See here for rhel
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_
Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/chap-
Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_Planning_Guide-
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tool is not supported on CentOS:

https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade 6 to 7

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Il 01 Giu 2017 10:13 PM, "Jerry Geis"  ha scritto:

I found this site https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool

Is this still the case - there is no upgrade path from 6 to 7 ?

I have a few remote servers I'd like to upgrade (if possible).

Thanks,

Jerry


It is supported, with some limitations, in rhel, so the same I think
applies to CentOS.
See here for rhel
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_Planning_Guide-Upgrading.html#chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_Planning_Guide-Upgrading_from_RHEL6
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Re: [CentOS] upgrade reference docs

[Leon Fauster]

Am 10.10.2016 um 21:20 schrieb Chuck Campbell :
> Is there a Centos 6.x to Centos 7.x guide somewhere? What has changed, that I 
> need to learn about as an admin, before I jump in and flounder?


https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/index.html

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade reference docs

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On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 02:20:03PM -0500, Chuck Campbell wrote:
> Is there a Centos 6.x to Centos 7.x guide somewhere? What has changed, that
> I need to learn about as an admin, before I jump in and flounder?

This applies to CentOS too:

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/index.html

Just ignore the "How to upgrade" section since it talks about the
tools to upgrade from RHEL6 to RHEL7, which I don't believe is
supported in CentOS.  The other sections are what you want to read. 

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Re: [CentOS] upgrade reference docs

[Götz Reinicke]

> Am 10.10.2016 um 21:58 schrieb Götz Reinicke :
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Am 10.10.2016 um 21:20 schrieb Chuck Campbell :
>> 
>> Is there a Centos 6.x to Centos 7.x guide somewhere? What has changed, that 
>> I need to learn about as an admin, before I jump in and flounder?
>> 
> 
> may be some hints …:
> 
> http://simplylinuxfaq.blogspot.de/p/major-difference-between-rhel-7-and-6.html
>  
> 
> 
> https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rhel_5_6_7_cheatsheet_27x36_1014_jcs_web.pdf
>  
> 

and one more …

https://www.ravellosystems.com/blog/rhel7-centos7-linux-distribution/ 


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Re: [CentOS] upgrade reference docs

[Götz Reinicke]

Hi,

> Am 10.10.2016 um 21:20 schrieb Chuck Campbell :
> 
> Is there a Centos 6.x to Centos 7.x guide somewhere? What has changed, that I 
> need to learn about as an admin, before I jump in and flounder?
> 

may be some hints …:

http://simplylinuxfaq.blogspot.de/p/major-difference-between-rhel-7-and-6.html 


https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rhel_5_6_7_cheatsheet_27x36_1014_jcs_web.pdf
 


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[m . roth]

Nothing here. I responded to him on this offlist.

   mark

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Wed, May 11, 2016 11:10 am, Warren Young wrote:
> On May 11, 2016, at 9:38 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>> Warren Young wrote:
>>> This isn’t just about RHEL vs Debian and
>>> derivatives of same.  Several major non-Linux OSes also manage to do
>>> automatic upgrades between major releases: Windows, OS X, FreeBSD...
>>
>> I was under the impression that all the releases of OS X were more like
>> what we call subreleases (6.6->6.7).
>
> You can’t transfer meaning between different version number systems.
> There is no global standard for the meaning of version numbers.  The only
> thing that matters is that there is internal consistency.
>
> (Which is why Windows version numbering is a joke.)

And there was a joke about them. When RedHat started pacing fast with
their CD version releases: 7.3 --> 8 --> 9 in very short time, someone
said: they try to catch up with others in major version number. And
someone else pointed: they cant: MS already has Windows 2000 ;-)

>
> OS X treats changes to the ‘x’ component of their OS X 10.x.y version
> numbering system about the same way as EL does in its x.y system.  The
> only difference is that major OS X versions have been coming out yearly in
> recent years, so that there is less cumulative difference between major
> versions than in CentOS major versions.  But there’s probably at least
> as much change every 3 major OS X versions, as you’d expect since CentOS
> major versions are also about 3 years apart.
>
> And, in fact, OS X will allow itself to be upgraded across major OS
> versions.  It doesn’t demand that you upgrade to each intermediate
> version separately.

MacOS 10 server (sorry about using Arabic number, I hate using Roman
numbers written with Latin letters, makes any search useless) breaks
things between 10.x versions consistently. They change the way
authentication is done, add, then drop Apache modules, and so on. No, I do
not run any of my servers under MacOS (FreeBSD is current choice,
hopefully for long time to come). But some of Professors I work for do it,
and I have to help them by doing dirty part that comes with it. So: nobody
is perfect (meaning MacOS 10 here ;-)

Valeri

>
> Calling OS X major releases “subversions” is just as fallacious as the
> opposite problem we see here in the CentOS world, where some people
> believe that CentOS 7.1 is incompatible with CentOS 7.2.  A change to y in
> these two x.y system means something very different, yet both are correct
> because both systems are internally consistent.
>
>>> Your point about the 10 year support cycle for RHEL is also invalid.
>>> The
>>> time spacing between major releases is only about every 3 years, and
>>> that
>>> is the period that matters here.
>>
>> No, it's not invalid, nor is it what matters. For example, here at work,
>> we have clusters, and a small supercomputer, all running 6.x (in the
>> case
>> of the supercomputer, it's an SGI-modified RHEL 6.x), and they'll go to
>> 7
>> probably when they're surplused replaced.
>
> Yes, and…?  Just because you have one use case where a major version
> upgrade does not make sense does not mean that major version upgrades
> don’t make sense everywhere.
>
> I already covered that case in my previous post, and the counterargument
> remains the same: not all OS upgrades can be coupled with hardware
> upgrades.  VMs are only one reason, though a big one.
>
> As for all the rest of your post, yes, I get it: nothing should ever
> change, nothing should ever break.  You just go and live live that dream.
> Meanwhile, in my world, change happens.  Your unwillingness to cope with
> it does not prevent me from doing so.
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Warren Young]

On May 11, 2016, at 9:38 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> 
> Warren Young wrote:
>> This isn’t just about RHEL vs Debian and
>> derivatives of same.  Several major non-Linux OSes also manage to do
>> automatic upgrades between major releases: Windows, OS X, FreeBSD...
> 
> I was under the impression that all the releases of OS X were more like
> what we call subreleases (6.6->6.7).

You can’t transfer meaning between different version number systems.  There is 
no global standard for the meaning of version numbers.  The only thing that 
matters is that there is internal consistency.

(Which is why Windows version numbering is a joke.)

OS X treats changes to the ‘x’ component of their OS X 10.x.y version numbering 
system about the same way as EL does in its x.y system.  The only difference is 
that major OS X versions have been coming out yearly in recent years, so that 
there is less cumulative difference between major versions than in CentOS major 
versions.  But there’s probably at least as much change every 3 major OS X 
versions, as you’d expect since CentOS major versions are also about 3 years 
apart.

And, in fact, OS X will allow itself to be upgraded across major OS versions.  
It doesn’t demand that you upgrade to each intermediate version separately.

Calling OS X major releases “subversions” is just as fallacious as the opposite 
problem we see here in the CentOS world, where some people believe that CentOS 
7.1 is incompatible with CentOS 7.2.  A change to y in these two x.y system 
means something very different, yet both are correct because both systems are 
internally consistent.

>> Your point about the 10 year support cycle for RHEL is also invalid.  The
>> time spacing between major releases is only about every 3 years, and that
>> is the period that matters here.
> 
> No, it's not invalid, nor is it what matters. For example, here at work,
> we have clusters, and a small supercomputer, all running 6.x (in the case
> of the supercomputer, it's an SGI-modified RHEL 6.x), and they'll go to 7
> probably when they're surplused replaced.

Yes, and…?  Just because you have one use case where a major version upgrade 
does not make sense does not mean that major version upgrades don’t make sense 
everywhere.

I already covered that case in my previous post, and the counterargument 
remains the same: not all OS upgrades can be coupled with hardware upgrades.  
VMs are only one reason, though a big one.

As for all the rest of your post, yes, I get it: nothing should ever change, 
nothing should ever break.  You just go and live live that dream.  Meanwhile, 
in my world, change happens.  Your unwillingness to cope with it does not 
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[m . roth]

Warren Young wrote:
> On May 10, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Valeri Galtsev 
> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 3:57 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
>>>  wrote:


>> Yes, LTS, thanks Liam. Only LTS has life cycle of mere 2 years, whereas
>> RHEL (hence CentOS) is what, 10 years?

> And in fact, more than two.  This isn’t just about RHEL vs Debian and
> derivatives of same.  Several major non-Linux OSes also manage to do
> automatic upgrades between major releases: Windows, OS X, FreeBSD...

I was under the impression that all the releases of OS X were more like
what we call subreleases (6.6->6.7). But I don't know, and don't really
care - I don't do WinDoze, I don't do (or like) Macs.

> Your point about the 10 year support cycle for RHEL is also invalid.  The
> time spacing between major releases is only about every 3 years, and that
> is the period that matters here.

No, it's not invalid, nor is it what matters. For example, here at work,
we have clusters, and a small supercomputer, all running 6.x (in the case
of the supercomputer, it's an SGI-modified RHEL 6.x), and they'll go to 7
probably when they're surplused replaced.

Or take me, personally, at home - I dislike systemd, and have zero
intention of going up until I have to, and that won't come for a good
number of years yet, when support for 6.x stops. And, btw, no, you cannot
tell me I'm "wrong" to dislike it, that I should "Embrace Change!!!",
because a) I don't need anyone's opinion to justify how I feel about how I
deal with something, and b) just because you *can* do something doesn't
mean you *should*. For one example, I do *not* embrace change in the form
of, say, Web-enabled thermostats (and they do security updates exactly
*when*?, or Web-connected cars (are you out of your friggin' alleged
mind?). So, why should I go to something NEW! SHINY! when what I have
works well, and is comfortable?

And automatic upgrades are *NOT* always a Good Idea. For example, just
last year, EPEL just upgraded the torque packages that we use to run our
clusters... from 2.5 to 4.2(?!?!?!), which broke the test cluster
instantly, and took a lot of research and work to make work on the test
system by the admin I work with, and on our two big clusters, we're not
upgrading - our users would be down for a while... and these are several
folks running jobs on the (24, 25) node clusters whose jobs can run a week
or two straight.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Warren Young]

On May 10, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 3:57 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
>>> much on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
>>> "upgrade" to new release of the system is pretty close to just a
>>> regular routine update.
>> 
>> You are describing Debian sid/unstable, which is contunuously updated,
>> and where there are no releases in the usual sense of the word. Debian
>> stable releases are a different matter, and correspond very closely to
>> major releases of RHEL/CentOS. There is always an upgrade path between
>> consecutive releases of Debian stable.
> 
> Yes, LTS, thanks Liam. Only LTS has life cycle of mere 2 years, whereas
> RHEL (hence CentOS) is what, 10 years?

“LTS” is an Ubuntu term, not a Debian term.  Debian and Ubuntu are very much 
not the same thing.  I point this out not to be pedantic but instead because 
there are *two* OSes here that both manage to have straightforward automatic 
upgrades between major releases.

And in fact, more than two.  This isn’t just about RHEL vs Debian and 
derivatives of same.  Several major non-Linux OSes also manage to do automatic 
upgrades between major releases: Windows, OS X, FreeBSD...

Take FreeBSD for example.  Its freebsd-update tool will do this, and it’s 
mostly automatic, even in the face of changes to core OS files.  (e.g. 
/etc/services)  It can even merge changes to a core OS configuration file with 
your local version in certain cases.  Or, it can just open both versions in a 
text editor and wait for you to merge them manually.  Why can’t there be a 
rhel-update tool that does the same?

Your point about the 10 year support cycle for RHEL is also invalid.  The time 
spacing between major releases is only about every 3 years, and that is the 
period that matters here.

That is to say, I would not expect an automatic major upgrade tool for RHEL to 
let me jump straight from version 5 to version 7 just because RHEL 5 is still 
receiving security updates.  The tool only has to be able to upgrade from the 
prior major release.

This is a solvable problem.  Red Hat just doesn’t want to solve it.  Why?

The upgrade doesn’t have to be perfect.  It could break everything except the 
filesystem and SSH and still allow manual recovery.  Even in that extreme, 
you’re still no worse off than today, where you have to migrate everything by 
hand.

It is actually an uncommonly good time to make such a tool, with the shift to 
systemd behind us.  Unit files are far less likely to cause problems in an 
automatic upgrade than Bourne shell scripts that source piles of other Bourne 
shell scripts.  An automatic upgrade from RHEL 7 to RHEL 8 should be much safer 
than RHEL 5 to RHEL 6.

Another big shift also plays into this: VMs everywhere.

In the past, an automatic major OS version upgrade wasn’t as useful because by 
the time you wanted to do a major OS upgrade, the hardware was ready to be 
replaced, too.  RHEL’s policy of keeping the past two major versions under 
support helped, a lot: if the hardware is still doing what you need it to, you 
could skip a major version,  after which the hardware is probably about ready 
to fall over, if only because the CPU fan is about to seize up.

In that world, you could do the OS upgrade and the hardware upgrade together, 
since you need to migrate the data and services over manually anyway.

VMs are changing that.  The longer that shift continues, the bigger a problem 
this missing feature will cause for EL shops.

And that probably takes us to the real reason Red Hat doesn’t want to solve 
this problem: the requirement to support automatic major version migration 
wouldn’t have allowed them to throw Xen into RHEL 6 and then pull it right back 
out for RHEL 7.  I think Red Hat *wants* the freedom to break core OS 
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 3:57 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
>>> much on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
>>> "upgrade" to new release of the system is pretty close to just a
>>> regular routine update.
>>
>> You are describing Debian sid/unstable, which is contunuously
>> updated, and where there are no releases in the usual sense of the
>> word. Debian stable releases are a different matter, and correspond
>> very closely to major releases of RHEL/CentOS. There is always an
>> upgrade path between consecutive releases of Debian stable.
>>
>
> Yes, LTS, thanks Liam. Only LTS has life cycle of mere 2 years,
> whereas RHEL (hence CentOS) is what, 10 years? I was pretty sure
> Debian does not backport patches (of Linuxes no one except RH, as far
> as I know). How do they do it with LTS? Do they just freeze major
> version, no matter what (it is only 2 years the need)?

Others have complained that this is not the place for an extended
discussion on Debian, so I'll just direct you here:

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/

If you have any questions, I suggest you post them to debian-user. I am
subscribed to that list, and will be happy to resume the conversation
there.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Johnny Hughes]

On 05/10/2016 05:15 PM, phil wrote:



> This would be a good question for the ubuntu users list . . .
> 
> Ubuntu user technical support,
>  not for general discussions 
> 

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[phil]

On 11/05/2016 8:12 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:


On Tue, May 10, 2016 3:57 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
 wrote:


1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
much on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
"upgrade" to new release of the system is pretty close to just a
regular routine update.


You are describing Debian sid/unstable, which is contunuously updated,
and where there are no releases in the usual sense of the word. Debian
stable releases are a different matter, and correspond very closely to
major releases of RHEL/CentOS. There is always an upgrade path between
consecutive releases of Debian stable.



Yes, LTS, thanks Liam. Only LTS has life cycle of mere 2 years, whereas
RHEL (hence CentOS) is what, 10 years? I was pretty sure Debian does not
backport patches (of Linuxes no one except RH, as far as I know). How do
they do it with LTS?


This would be a good question for the ubuntu users list . . .

Ubuntu user technical support,
 not for general discussions 

Do they just freeze major version, no matter what (it

is only 2 years the need)?

Thanks.
Valeri



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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 3:57 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
>  wrote:
>>
>> 1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
>> much on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
>> "upgrade" to new release of the system is pretty close to just a
>> regular routine update.
>
> You are describing Debian sid/unstable, which is contunuously updated,
> and where there are no releases in the usual sense of the word. Debian
> stable releases are a different matter, and correspond very closely to
> major releases of RHEL/CentOS. There is always an upgrade path between
> consecutive releases of Debian stable.
>

Yes, LTS, thanks Liam. Only LTS has life cycle of mere 2 years, whereas
RHEL (hence CentOS) is what, 10 years? I was pretty sure Debian does not
backport patches (of Linuxes no one except RH, as far as I know). How do
they do it with LTS? Do they just freeze major version, no matter what (it
is only 2 years the need)?

Thanks.
Valeri

>
> Liam
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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-05-10, Valeri Galtsev
 wrote:
>
> 1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
> much on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
> "upgrade" to new release of the system is pretty close to just a
> regular routine update.

You are describing Debian sid/unstable, which is contunuously updated,
and where there are no releases in the usual sense of the word. Debian
stable releases are a different matter, and correspond very closely to
major releases of RHEL/CentOS. There is always an upgrade path between
consecutive releases of Debian stable.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[m . roth]

Alice Wonder wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 01:29 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Alice Wonder wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2016 12:19 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
 On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:
>
> I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present
> from CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other
> operating systems.
>
> Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS
> to move from one version to another.

>>> I tend to keep all server content in /srv and all user content in /home
>>>
>>> Upgrading from one major version to another then is pretty simple - but
>>> not on the same machine.
>>>
>>> I do a fresh install of the new version in a new vm, make sure all the
>>> services are in place, and all the user and group ids match.
>> 
>> I had an article published in the late, lamented SysAdmin magazine about
>> 10 years ago, where I recommended having a three of spare partitions,
>> doing an install using those  for /, /usr and /boot - though now you
>> could get away with / and /boot. Then, if you had show-stopper issues, you
>> could always boot back via the old partitions.
>>
>> Where I work, I don't think we have a handful of VMs... because in a lot
>> of cases, we need every bloody CPU cycle. For example, we have an SGI
>> UV2000, a small, true supercomputer, 512 cores, 2TB RAM...and I see top
>> telling me that one of my users's multithreaded parallel job has a load
>> of it of 467 (and no, I'm not misplacing the decimal point)
>>
> Ah - yes, different perspective I suppose. Vast majority of servers I
> manage are VMs purchased for a monthly fee from a service provider like
> linode. If you run the physical hardware yourself that is a completely
> different set of circumstances, point taken.

Yup. I'm 0ne of 3.5 sysadmins, and we run better than 170 servers and
workstations. (.5, because she's at another Institute the other half of
her time.)

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Bill Maltby (C4B)]

On Tue, 2016-05-10 at 10:44 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> 

> 2. RHEL (and derivatives): you do routine updates, and all is guaranteed
> to keep working as it did when you originally configured your machine.

*Almost*. exception was 6.5->6.6 upgrade.

https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7972

Caveat: my assessment may be wrong in that it all works, but not the way
it used to, meaning things broke when I tried to use it the way I used
to use it, and I spent a great deal of time discovering some of the
underlying causes and my eventual work-around.

There was also a couple "not the way it used to" regarding X start-up
and an extra instance of Firefox being started, which I posted
"corrections" for in the form of patches to the scripts.

Based on my memory, as you may have seen in another thread, this was a
change from the past.

> 

> Valeri
> 

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Alice Wonder]

On 05/10/2016 01:29 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

Alice Wonder wrote:

On 05/10/2016 12:19 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:


I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present
from CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other
operating systems.

Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS
to move from one version to another.



I tend to keep all server content in /srv and all user content in /home

Upgrading from one major version to another then is pretty simple - but
not on the same machine.

I do a fresh install of the new version in a new vm, make sure all the
services are in place, and all the user and group ids match.


I had an article published in the late, lamented SysAdmin magazine about
10 years ago, where I recommended having a three of spare partitions,
doing an install using those  for /, /usr and /boot - though now you could
get away with / and /boot. Then, if you had show-stopper issues, you could
always boot back via the old partitions.

Where I work, I don't think we have a handful of VMs... because in a lot
of cases, we need every bloody CPU cycle. For example, we have an SGI
UV2000, a small, true supercomputer, 512 cores, 2TB RAM...and I see top
telling me that one of my users's multithreaded parallel job has a load of
it of 467 (and no, I'm not misplacing the decimal point)



Ah - yes, different perspective I suppose. Vast majority of servers I 
manage are VMs purchased for a monthly fee from a service provider like 
linode. If you run the physical hardware yourself that is a completely 
different set of circumstances, point taken.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[m . roth]

Alice Wonder wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 12:19 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present
>>> from CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other
>>> operating systems.
>>>
>>> Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS
>>> to move from one version to another.
>>
> I tend to keep all server content in /srv and all user content in /home
>
> Upgrading from one major version to another then is pretty simple - but
> not on the same machine.
>
> I do a fresh install of the new version in a new vm, make sure all the
> services are in place, and all the user and group ids match.

I had an article published in the late, lamented SysAdmin magazine about
10 years ago, where I recommended having a three of spare partitions,
doing an install using those  for /, /usr and /boot - though now you could
get away with / and /boot. Then, if you had show-stopper issues, you could
always boot back via the old partitions.

Where I work, I don't think we have a handful of VMs... because in a lot
of cases, we need every bloody CPU cycle. For example, we have an SGI
UV2000, a small, true supercomputer, 512 cores, 2TB RAM...and I see top
telling me that one of my users's multithreaded parallel job has a load of
it of 467 (and no, I'm not misplacing the decimal point)

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Alice Wonder]

On 05/10/2016 12:19 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:

Hi,

I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present from
CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other operating
systems.

Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS to
move from one version to another.



If you mean upgrade to all CentOS-7 point releases, yes (from source
code for RHEL-7.0 to RHEL-7.1, to RHEL-7.2).  If you mean from CentOS-7
to CentOS-8, there is no way to know.  There is no RHEL-8 to look at.

Red Hat has source code for preupgrade-assistant and
redhat-upgrade-tool.  That is created for inplace upgrades from one
major version to another.  Currently those tools are community and
maintained and they are several updates behind because currently no one
in the community has stepped up to maintain them.

But, CentOS-7 has an EOL of June 30, 2024 .. so there is security
updates for 8 more years.




I tend to keep all server content in /srv and all user content in /home

Upgrading from one major version to another then is pretty simple - but 
not on the same machine.


I do a fresh install of the new version in a new vm, make sure all the 
services are in place, and all the user and group ids match.


I can then rsync the old /home and /srv to the new system.

Yes there are server migration files that need to be migrated but what I 
like about this approach is I can keep serving from the old server until 
this is done and tested in the new server, and then it is just a simple 
DNS change and the new server is used.


Migrating configuration files to me means starting with the defaults in 
the new version and modifying them to match the needs of the service, 
not replacing them with the old files.


I have tried updating between major versions in Fedora before and there 
were always too many glitches, it really is better to clean install and 
migrate the data. In my opinion. Especially if you skip a release like I 
tend to do.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 2:22 pm, Hakan Peker wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 06:44 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>>
>> "Other systems" you mention I bet are Debian and its clones (Ubuntu
>> being
>> one of them). These systems have different update philosophy than that
>> of
>> RedHat Enterprise Linux (and hence what CentOS is, which is derived from
>> RHEL). Namely, these "other systems" do constant micro-upgrades of
>> components installed on the system to latest release, whenever new
>> release
>> of given piece of software happens. To the contrary, RHEL mostly
>> backports
>> important security fixes to a version that was included in original
>> system
>> release (but occasionally does make upgrades). Hence the differences:
>>
>> 1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty
>> much
>> on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore
>> "upgrade"
>> to new release of the system is pretty close to just a regular routine
>> update. This apparent advantage comes with a disadvantage, namely: every
>> update has a potential to break something on your machine, as new
>> release
>> may have different internals, then you will need to work on migration to
>> them, and this can come as a surprise with any of routine updates.
>>
>
> This is so flat out wrong that I don't know where to begin, and this is
> not the place to give a lecture about Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS
> release process anyway.
>
> Not knowing something is perfectly normal and it is nothing to be
> ashamed of, spreading misinformation about a topic you have no knowledge
> of and doing it in a public list *and* when nobody asked you about it,
> on the other hand...

Smashing! ;-)

You can begin by describing what the differences are, or by making the
statement that there are no differences whatsoever. Both will be helpful
to everybody. Another option would be e-mail privately to list moderators
and suggest to moderate an idiot (yours truly), - whoever does more damage
than help does deserve to be moderated. Either of the above suggestions
will be more productive than this post IMHO.

Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Hakan Peker]

On 05/10/2016 06:44 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:


"Other systems" you mention I bet are Debian and its clones (Ubuntu being
one of them). These systems have different update philosophy than that of
RedHat Enterprise Linux (and hence what CentOS is, which is derived from
RHEL). Namely, these "other systems" do constant micro-upgrades of
components installed on the system to latest release, whenever new release
of given piece of software happens. To the contrary, RHEL mostly backports
important security fixes to a version that was included in original system
release (but occasionally does make upgrades). Hence the differences:

1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty much
on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore "upgrade"
to new release of the system is pretty close to just a regular routine
update. This apparent advantage comes with a disadvantage, namely: every
update has a potential to break something on your machine, as new release
may have different internals, then you will need to work on migration to
them, and this can come as a surprise with any of routine updates.



This is so flat out wrong that I don't know where to begin, and this is 
not the place to give a lecture about Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS 
release process anyway.


Not knowing something is perfectly normal and it is nothing to be 
ashamed of, spreading misinformation about a topic you have no knowledge 
of and doing it in a public list *and* when nobody asked you about it, 
on the other hand...


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 2:19 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present from
>> CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other
>> operating
>> systems.
>>
>> Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS to
>> move from one version to another.
>>
>
> If you mean upgrade to all CentOS-7 point releases, yes (from source
> code for RHEL-7.0 to RHEL-7.1, to RHEL-7.2).  If you mean from CentOS-7
> to CentOS-8, there is no way to know.  There is no RHEL-8 to look at.
>
> Red Hat has source code for preupgrade-assistant and
> redhat-upgrade-tool.  That is created for inplace upgrades from one
> major version to another.  Currently those tools are community and
> maintained and they are several updates behind because currently no one
> in the community has stepped up to maintain them.
>
> But, CentOS-7 has an EOL of June 30, 2024 .. so there is security
> updates for 8 more years.

I would add to nice Johnny's explanation one more thing.

"Other systems" you mention I bet are Debian and its clones (Ubuntu being
one of them). These systems have different update philosophy than that of
RedHat Enterprise Linux (and hence what CentOS is, which is derived from
RHEL). Namely, these "other systems" do constant micro-upgrades of
components installed on the system to latest release, whenever new release
of given piece of software happens. To the contrary, RHEL mostly backports
important security fixes to a version that was included in original system
release (but occasionally does make upgrades). Hence the differences:

1. Debian (and clones): you keep the components of the system pretty much
on the level of latest release of each of components. Therefore "upgrade"
to new release of the system is pretty close to just a regular routine
update. This apparent advantage comes with a disadvantage, namely: every
update has a potential to break something on your machine, as new release
may have different internals, then you will need to work on migration to
them, and this can come as a surprise with any of routine updates.

2. RHEL (and derivatives): you do routine updates, and all is guaranteed
to keep working as it did when you originally configured your machine.
This is great advantage for those of us who prefer stability. It comes at
some price, namely: more work of the side of RedHat team (backporting
important patches), and you have to live with slightly outdated
components. The last can be seen differently, as slightly outdated is the
same as being used by many, so all trouble in them are already discovered
and fixed. (Yes, there are upgrades occasionally, still...). Now, when you
upgrade to new system version, very many of the components go versions up,
thus the safe way to deal with them is to have everything freshly
installed, freshly configured, and then migrate your custom configurations
to this new level.

Now to comment of what one can choose, I would say about Debian (and
clones) what I would say about Fedora, which definitely is "bleeding
edge". If you want "bleeding edge", be ready for some bleeding sometimes.

All in all it is your choice. If you are to maintain solid server and can
not tolerate 10 min outage in anything happen out of blue, CentOS is for
you. If you don't care about that, then Debian or one of its clones may be
more convenient for your way of system maintenance.

I hope, this helps.

Valeri


Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade path from CentOS 7 to future versions

[Johnny Hughes]

On 05/10/2016 02:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to know whether the valid upgrade path will be present from
> CentOS 7 to future versions like we get for Ubuntu or some other operating
> systems.
> 
> Right now, I am sure that we do not have proper update path in CentOS to
> move from one version to another.
> 

If you mean upgrade to all CentOS-7 point releases, yes (from source
code for RHEL-7.0 to RHEL-7.1, to RHEL-7.2).  If you mean from CentOS-7
to CentOS-8, there is no way to know.  There is no RHEL-8 to look at.

Red Hat has source code for preupgrade-assistant and
redhat-upgrade-tool.  That is created for inplace upgrades from one
major version to another.  Currently those tools are community and
maintained and they are several updates behind because currently no one
in the community has stepped up to maintain them.

But, CentOS-7 has an EOL of June 30, 2024 .. so there is security
updates for 8 more years.



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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade tool for 6 to 7 migration

[Johnny Hughes]

On 05/09/2016 06:15 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 05/09/2016 05:21 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
>> Is the https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool
>> still not recommend?
>>
>> Is there a expected time when it will be working?
> 
> 
> I personally would never do an in place upgrade on a production machine.
>  Call it a personal bias.
> 
> The versions we have released do not work .. there are updates that need
> to be refactored and rolled in.
> 
> There are several upgrades to the tool, and I expect there will be
> another set shortly before or just after the 6.8 release.
> 
> Here are the tools used:
> 
> Pre Upgrade Assistant:
> https://git.centos.org/summary/?r=rpms/preupgrade-assistant
> 
> Upgrade Tool:
> https://git.centos.org/summary/?r=rpms/redhat-upgrade-tool
> 

I forgot the Preupgrade Assistant Contents:

https://git.centos.org/summary/rpms!preupgrade-assistant-contents

> openscap:
> http://vault.centos.org/6.7/os/Source/SPackages/openscap-1.0.10-3.el6.centos.src.rpm
> 
> As you can see, there have been several updates since the last time an
> update was rolled in (4 updates to the c6 upgrade tool, 6 upgrades to
> the preupgrade-assistant.)  The openscap might be OK as is, not 100% sure.
> 
> These packages were supposed to be community maintained, but no one has
> done the work to try to keep this updated.  I can TRY to do this (but
> not for a while), but it would be better if someone from the community
> would do it.
> 
> Thread concerning the initial tool patches:
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-July/011558.html
> 
> NOTE: The patches are scrubbed from the list, but if you have archives
> of the email, they are attached to the actual mails.  The are also in
> git.centos.org now.
> 
> Another thread:
> 
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-July/011632.html
> 
> and another:
> 
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-October/013898.html
> 
> So, what we need is someone from the community to maintain this.  Is
> there anyone who will take a look and refactor the patches and test?
> This would be done on the centos-devel mailing list.  If you will
> maintain it .. the info is in git.centos.org, format the patches as 'git
> am' patches and I will work with you to get them into git and the
> packages built.
> 
> If we can't get someone, then I will try to do it when I have time, but
> it is not something that is a high priority and it has to come after my
> other work.  I don't know when I can get to it.





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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade tool for 6 to 7 migration

[Johnny Hughes]

On 05/09/2016 05:21 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
> Is the https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool
> still not recommend?
> 
> Is there a expected time when it will be working?


I personally would never do an in place upgrade on a production machine.
 Call it a personal bias.

The versions we have released do not work .. there are updates that need
to be refactored and rolled in.

There are several upgrades to the tool, and I expect there will be
another set shortly before or just after the 6.8 release.

Here are the tools used:

Pre Upgrade Assistant:
https://git.centos.org/summary/?r=rpms/preupgrade-assistant

Upgrade Tool:
https://git.centos.org/summary/?r=rpms/redhat-upgrade-tool

openscap:
http://vault.centos.org/6.7/os/Source/SPackages/openscap-1.0.10-3.el6.centos.src.rpm

As you can see, there have been several updates since the last time an
update was rolled in (4 updates to the c6 upgrade tool, 6 upgrades to
the preupgrade-assistant.)  The openscap might be OK as is, not 100% sure.

These packages were supposed to be community maintained, but no one has
done the work to try to keep this updated.  I can TRY to do this (but
not for a while), but it would be better if someone from the community
would do it.

Thread concerning the initial tool patches:
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-July/011558.html

NOTE: The patches are scrubbed from the list, but if you have archives
of the email, they are attached to the actual mails.  The are also in
git.centos.org now.

Another thread:

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-July/011632.html

and another:

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-October/013898.html

So, what we need is someone from the community to maintain this.  Is
there anyone who will take a look and refactor the patches and test?
This would be done on the centos-devel mailing list.  If you will
maintain it .. the info is in git.centos.org, format the patches as 'git
am' patches and I will work with you to get them into git and the
packages built.

If we can't get someone, then I will try to do it when I have time, but
it is not something that is a high priority and it has to come after my
other work.  I don't know when I can get to it.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes







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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade tool for 6 to 7 migration

[John R Pierce]

On 5/9/2016 3:21 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:

Is thehttps://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/CentOSUpgradeTool
still not recommend?

Is there a expected time when it will be working?


7 is *so* different than 6 in *so* many ways that I would /never/ 
recommend an automatic update.


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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade security relevant packages

[Chris]

Hello Zdenek,

Thanks for your answer. Is satellite 5 out of life? I see there is version
2.4 from October this year. 
I have no objections to stick with an older version when I can have
"satellite 6", but what you mean with find the components?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
Chris


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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
Of Zdenek Sedlak
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 20:20
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Upgrade security relevant packages

On 12/15/2015 02:07 PM, Bill Howe wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> I recommend you look into:
> 
>- Spacewalk: Centralized system management utility (
>http://spacewalk.redhat.com/)
>- Errata update tool:
>https://github.com/mike-wendt/spacewalk-centos-errata
>   - CentOS repos do not include the errata information in the repo
>   itself (EPEL does include errata info in its repos), so others 
> have created
>   external tools that pull errata off of the mailing lists.
> 
> Combined, they would allow you to have a local mirror of the CentOS 
> repos and push/pull only the packages you want to install.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Chris <cont...@progbau.de> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for a solution to automatically yum update security 
>> relevant packages on a couple hundred Centos6/7 servers. The 
>> deployment/trigger would be Ansible.
>>
>> I looked into the "yum-plugin-security" and tested it on a CentOS 6 
>> installation but always found no security relevant updates (yum 
>> list-security/yum --security update) where there should be at least a 
>> couple ones. I read around it and found that this solution is not 
>> working for CentOS (can you please confirm). What is the best 
>> practice to upgrade security relevant packages on live systems 
>> without service interruption?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
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Hi,

please be aware that the Spacewalk was an OSS variant of Satellite 5. I
would strongly recommend to build a "Satellite 6" from the OSS components.
Just check the Satellite 6 @ Red Hat Customer Portal to find all the
required components.

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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade security relevant packages

[Johnny Hughes]

On 12/15/2015 06:12 AM, Chris wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm looking for a solution to automatically yum update security relevant
> packages on a couple hundred Centos6/7 servers. The deployment/trigger would
> be Ansible.
> 
> I looked into the "yum-plugin-security" and tested it on a CentOS 6
> installation but always found no security relevant updates (yum
> list-security/yum --security update) where there should be at least a couple
> ones. I read around it and found that this solution is not working for
> CentOS (can you please confirm). What is the best practice to upgrade
> security relevant packages on live systems without service interruption?

I will do the obligatory point out that JUST installing security updates
and NOT also installing all the other updates that the security updates
were built against is NOT supported in either CentOS or RHEL.

For example, look at this errata :

https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2015-2655.html

Read the Solution section, where it says:

"Before applying this update, make sure all previously released errata
relevant to your system have been applied."

This does not say all previous security errata or some selected group of
packages .. it says 'all previously released errata'.  That means all
Bugfix, Enhancement, and Security updates that were released before this
errata was released .. and that means run a 'yum update' and install all
updates.

If you are picking only security updates and all not all updates, then
that is not a tested secure solution.

The only supported and tested solution is all updates.



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Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS6.6 to CentOS 7

[m . roth]

Digimer wrote:
> On 15/12/15 11:10 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Traiano Welcome wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Digimer  wrote:
 On 15/12/15 10:17 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote:
>
> Is it possible to upgrade from CentOS 6.7 to CentOS 7?
>> 
Oh, btw, the plan I gave nine or ten years ago, as published in the old
SysAdmin Magazine, you can read at


mark "damn, I've got to convert that to html one of these days"

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