On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com
wrote:
I also prefer the } else { notation.
Me too, and I never leave off the curly brackets, even when it's optional.
More explicit for the next confused person reading the code (probably me in
a few months/years).
For some reason I find myself switching at time between both styles. I am
not really sure why. One just feels better sometimes and the other feels
better other times.
I think that if the file's short I prefer version #2 since it helps
everything look compact. If the code's gonna be longer than
It it's just a personal site and it's primary requirement is Content
Management then SquareSpace is a solid way to go.
-Cameron
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Judith Dinowitz
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I'm looking to set up Judithdinowitz.com and I had a nice conversation with
https://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_increase_the_heap_size_available_to_Eclipse%3F
I'd also check out Sublime Text
http://www.sublimetext.com/
-Cameron
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:27 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going nuts with eclipse not responding every couple of seconds.
1) I'm assuming you are using the built in Apache and didn't install via
MAMP or something?
2) Run this to make sure DNS isn't borked:
ping localhost
(just looking for an IP to resolve here, not a ping reply)
3) Run this to make sure you don't have an error in your Apache configs
someplace.
, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com
wrote:
1) I'm assuming you are using the built in Apache and didn't install via
MAMP or something?
2) Run this to make sure DNS isn't borked:
ping localhost
(just looking for an IP to resolve here, not a ping reply)
3) Run
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:37 PM, J.J. Merrick wrote:
Best bet is to learn Responsive design and build with a Mobile First
approach. You can hide things such as links to the cart by this method if
you want.
+1
-Cameron
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
I did not know that.
You're welcome :)
I said the same thing when someone showed that to me. I'd had it for about
a year before I knew I could do that.
-Cameron
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
It's a year, not a month. It was a typo. I settled on the Apple TV.
Tip #1 for AppleTV... Hold down the center button till all the icons wiggle
and you can move the apps around. Some of the apps are pretty stupid and
some you will use all the
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My question is what device to get? I have a PS3 for Netflix and Amazon
Prime. I have Google Chromecast, but I am not impressed with the quality.
The sound keeps cutting out. I am looking at a Roku or Apple TV device.
What are you all using
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
Is Cincinnati or dancing pig that part you most regret?
I think he should be regretting the use of ICQ, or maybe wearing it like a
badge of honor...
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:33 PM, GMoney wrote:
dude, this was 15 years ago.back then ICQ was the shit
I still had it configured in Trillian / Adium till pretty recently. Nobody
used it to communicate with me for a really long time but I kept it alive
forever just in case someone turned
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
God, now I miss The Pirate's Cove. Best BBS for Apple back in the day. Out
of Long Island, iirc.
Entirely possible that there was more than one, but there was definitely a
Pirate's Cove in Atlanta. The biggest one I remember here in
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
I believe so Maureen, thereâs no other possible explanation.
I would like to hear an explanation from each them.
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I'm watching it over on the Railo/Lucee forums / lists...
-Cameron
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Maureen wrote:
Surprised that no one is discussing the Railo/Lucee changes.
http://luc.ee
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
I saw the posts about it and wanted to get some research done before I
said anything. We all know those involved so it should be good. Needs
good talking points to move it beyond a niche...something I had already
started working on
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
The Lucee website is nice looking but has some serious flaws. It says hey,
we're a cool j2ee scripting language! and mentions tools and cool stuff,
which is great...but no where on the site is there anything that gives a
run down of the
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:58 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
I'm sure someone is going to criticize the source, the method of research
or the organization that sponsored the study.
The article obviously has an agenda, as does the source I am sure.
Just trying to get the list-people going a
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:51 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
Yes *but* the old axiom of, build a better mousetrap, you get a smarter
mouse can also be phrased, make things idiot-proof, get dumber idiots.
I have a much more optimistic outlook than that. Humans are so bad at
driving compared to
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Sam wrote:
I was told nobody here likes talking politics.
Try something else.
I hereby deem the list cured.
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
In a perfect world autonomous cars will be able to function moderately well
but there is going to be an issue of legacy drivers to deal with.
From what I understand that is a total non-issue. The autonomous cars that
are *already*
You have been warned
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
I got the first one then stopped myself lol :)
The first three levels were pretty easy to just add more to the code they
start you with but #4 requires a little more thought and API use...
-Cameron
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
An ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspaper in Israel photoshopped all females from
a front page photo of 40 world leaders gathered at a rally supporting
victims of the shooting at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.
That seems pretty
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, GMoney wrote:
Islam, like all widely adopted ideologies, doesn't necessarily suffer from
an inherent problem written into it's creed, but from the simple fact that
it's practiced by PEOPLE. Plain, ordinary, wonderful, corruptible,
disgusting,
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sam wrote:
That could apply to most of science too.
Let me restate the claim you just made: The thing that makes science in
general dangerous is really that it indoctrinates followers to blindly
believe unprovable things.
Then the textbook definition of
your app is business List / Detail sort of app,
either of these are fine. If it's a more interactive animated type of thing
like a game you'd want to go native.
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On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Sam wrote:
Oh no, now how am I going to watch Special Report with Bret Baier?
Maybe it will be on the interwebs
While Fox News is blocked I think TMZ may be a good substitute. They appear
to have the same level of credibility and lack of bias.
-Cameron
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM, GMoney wrote:
US To Normalize Diplomatic Relations With Cuba
Are they still supported by Russia at all? Interesting timing since
Russia's also weakened by the Oil price plunge right now...
Like - oh you take Crimea? Okay, then we will take Cuba...
-Cameron
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM, GMoney wrote:
Just curious, is there anyone on this list who has personally benefited
from ObamaCare? I'm not looking for political bullshit, or he-said-she-said
crapjust wonderingit has to have helped SOMEONE, right?
My plan was eliminated by
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
Why was your plan eliminated?
I can't remember the exact reason but it's was definitely one of the I'm
basically a healthy person plans.
It was a high deductible high copay plan. I paid a little more for office
visits and paid much
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Sam wrote:
My plan has not changed but my doctor dropped all insurance plans. He
now has a $75 a month unlimited plan that covers all that he does in
office. Any hospital stays/visits you would need catastrophic
insurance to cover it. I haven't picked a new
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:03 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
My ex wife and I are both fixed. Yet we were required to have maternity
coverage.
This was actually one of the reasons, but I don't think it was the only
one. My plan did specifically exclude coverage if I managed to somehow get
pregnant.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 8:30 AM, GMoney wrote:
I wouldn't watch a video with Ben Affleck and Bill Maher in it for all the
porn on the internet. When we are basing our views of global religious and
cultural relations on bad actors and dumb comedians..holy shit.
It would take a long time
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:48 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
I have a ginger thing
Emma Stone
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Vivec wrote:
Except we all know it costs nothing to make that program available to more
people over the internet. Nothing.
Unless it would be in violation of a content distribution contract they
have with cable companies outside of the UK. Then it would cost
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
Puddles is a heck of a performer. Also, he's 6'9...so he's a very large
clown. A musician and improv guy from Atlanta as I recall. The
series/backup group, Post Modern Jukebox, is also worth a listen, they've
done some great things.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Vivec wrote:
I'm reading about Ebola in the US. And the one side that claims it is a
massive pandemic waiting to happen, like the plague.
By one side you must mean the
non-doctor-freakout-about-everything-specialists?
And the doctors saying
that it's
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Vivec wrote:
What you don't know about the aftermath of military action by the US in the
Middle East.
I've read a bit about this. Many of the more modern weapons use shells that
have come pretty toxic components. These components are not banned as
chemical
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Vivec wrote:
Question is why the hell do they need to use these in urban environments?
War is hell. This are some messy weapons. They probably will look back at
some point and say that should have used something different. The military
(of any country) has a
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's a disease, and people who engage in it actively are sick. I'd
rather butt fuck the ebola virus than go to a political rally.
+1
-Cameron
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:53 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
2014 has not been a good year for my health.
I hate getting old, but the alternative is not a better option.
My question is can I do both the Physical Therapy and the chiropractor?
Probably, but I would ask your physical therapist
a little money their way.
Thanks for sharing.
On Wednesday, October 1, 2014, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com
wrote:
Thought I'd share this. A few on the list might enjoy reading some of the
articles. Especially those in the south...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maxrobins/2014/09
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
You forgot that it bends after being in yoru pocket better than any phone
out there, too. :-P
You're putting it in your pocket wrong - Ghost of Steve Jobs
-Cameron
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
But it's still an iPhone and still two years behind the curve
Oh no, it curves fine, just leave it in your pocket all day.
-Cameron
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My new phone arrives tomorrow. I will probably upgrade my 5(not-S) sometime
today in preparation. I am nervous that the 5 will slow down after the
update so I am sort of waiting till the last minute before I do the
upgrade-backup-restore to new phone.
-Cameron
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM,
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
Do you mean recognize music like Shazam or SoundHound?
Yes. It's actually powered by Shazam. You ask Siri what's playing and she
invokes the Shazam to tell you.
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/siri-can-now-name-that-tune-via-ios-8/
-Cameron
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM, GMoney wrote:
I remember thinking some idiot novice pilot crashed his cessna into a
skyscraper. I remember showing it to my coworker and we had a little
chuckle over itman, how can you be so dumb as to hit a building THAT
big.
I first heard about it
The Barkley Marathons, held every year in the rugged hill country of
Tennessee, pit runners against their absolute mental and physical limits.
The race is five 20-mile loops, almost entirely off-trail, with a total
elevation gain that more than doubles the height of Mt. Everest. In three
decades,
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
Very sorry to hear about your medical issues Maureen - as others have said
I hope you can stay in the group, I really enjoy hearing your views on
things!
Look you made Gruss post for the first time (according to my archive) since
January of
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Maureen wrote:
I guess this means the attack cadre has won the battle for the list.
Too bad, because it has been fun sharing ideas and opinions over the
years
Unfortunately, I think that the few unreasonable and borderline abusive
people on this list have
Man... What a great list of names in there of all those folks who use to be
on the list. I miss those days.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
Memories of 9/11 for me are always and will always be tied to this list. I
was more scared that day than I ever really admitted to,
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM, William Bowen wrote:
Also... it's a fucking phone.
I need a new phone and have an iPhone. I'll buy the 6 (the smaller one)
when it's available to buy online but I am not standing in line and if the
site crashes due to traffic I'll wait a few days. I do like the
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
I gave up on wrist watches for that reason. They would stop running. I'd
take it off, put it on the dresser, look at it a couple days later and it
would be running again. Totally weird.
If you guys are all Time Lords I want to see the
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ray Champagne wrote:
My opinion of some people on this list has changed...not for the better.
Agreed. There are no words. I cannot fathom even knowing someone having the
same attitude as Rick.
Perhaps she should not have slapped him, but couples argue and get
I caught this on my Apple TV last night. It's a new series on Showtime
where a variety of Hollywood types narrate and explore climate change and
dig a little deeper into some very specific causes and effects. For
example, Ep1 stars Don Cheadle, Harrison Ford, and Thomas Friedman (NY
Times The
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Sam wrote:
Hold on now you still think global warming is real?
Holy sheep shit Batman. What will it take to open your eyes?
Sam you don't have to watch it. You and Rick can go punch some strippers or
something instead.
-Cameron
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Vivec wrote:
She cussed him, spit on him, and then slapped him before getting into the
elevator. She was knocked out when her head hit the railing.
Consider the Israel vs Palestine argument. One is vastly stronger than the
other. Palestinians are spitting
Crashed and burned
Visit Apple.com right now:
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On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
Agile is awesome. But no matter how good the process is, shitty people
produce shitty code. Agile isn't dead but grumpy people are grumpy.
I don't have anything against Agile really. I was just posting the article
to start a conversation
http://effectivesoftwaredesign.com/2014/03/17/the-end-of-agile-death-by-over-simplification/
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Pretty much any monitor is going to work. I have a ViewSonic but anything
will do. The adapters are about $30 range usually if you end up with
something that isn't DVI. I don't have any specific advice about any brand
or model though...
-Cameron
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Bruce Sorge
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
As a caveat: I DO NOT - repeat - DO NOT have access to UVerse or Cable.
Our only options here in the boonies are satellite services.
A little birdie told me that you do not actually have to have access to
Cable, you only have to have
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, GMoney wrote:
Uh, the only RIGHT wayis the way the client tells you to do it. Because
the only right way, is the way that gets you paid.
I disagree with this.
It's true that sometimes if a client wants something done a certain way,
even if you now it's
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:17 AM, GMoney wrote:
Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :)
Then why complain about it? There is this process of corporate
indoctrination that people go through. Eventually you just accept all those
things you hate about it and give up, becoming a
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
Or even worse being stuck in the endless cycle of contract work...that
would
be me.
You are in control of your own destiny.
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
That's curious, the local gym's website and videos are all about form and
safety over speed and reps. I wonder if there is a lot of regional
variation or if it's just a glossy response to criticism.
I know a few people who've done
Sam is saying that fantastical stories that included ordinarily impossible
events whether brought about by magic is a modified Biblical story.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
fantastical stories that included ordinarily impossible
events whether brought about by magic
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
Ahhdid I miss that somewhere or was that just an
assumption being made?
He didn't explicitly say it, but it seems to be what he is saying while
trying not to have to say it that way.
http://tinyurl.com/oszyw9q
The results suggest that exposure to religious ideas has a powerful
impact on children's differentiation between reality and fiction, not
just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Sam wrote:
Troll.
Are you a parrot? You seem to only regurgitate the same things other
people say to you.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:22 AM, GMoney wrote:
WHen I got a little older and got exposure to other beliefs, only then did
it become apparent that what I was taught was a belief, not a factand
this prompted me to look into what the other believers were saying.
I think this is the key
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
My 5 year old knows scooby doo is not real. He's told me as much.
Neither he nor his 7 year old sister have any problem distinguishing
fantasy from reality, fiction from fact.
Each person on this list who has disagreed with the study
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
There is absolutely no point in discussing anything with you because
you are always going to twist everything I say.
The lesson here is that you were never having a discussion. Sam was just
trolling you. Endlessly. Just like he does everyone
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Vivec wrote:
So if some punks decided to fire rockets from Manhattan, the US Military is
going to bomb Manhattan?
Come on. That is such a weak and pathetic explanation.
I think Cuba would be a better example than Manhattan. And we all know what
happened
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
I'd seen this a few weeks back, but really figured I'd see something on
snopes about it since you've really got to be an idiot to do
thisalasit does look like this is really happening
I saw this on FB last week.
Morons.
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Sam wrote:
I'm guessing he meant to say they have the same variation in
temperature.
Guessing certainly seems like the right way to go if you are anti-science.
Keep the faith Sam.
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Sam wrote:
Sounds like you can't defend your position, so you just make jokes
about how stupid the people in the know are.
I am not in the business of defending scientific consensus, but keep
digging up the kooky blog posts. Keep that faith. You are doing
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Sam wrote:
You mean like this?
Be careful not to alter your age on your Facebook profile, it might mean
that you never existed and are merely the result a worldwide conspiracy
where and overwhelming majority of people claimed that you actually existed.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Sam wrote:
Are you in Colorado?
The whole state of Colorado doesn't take you seriously anymore either huh?
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Sam wrote:
They do. I was wondering if you were the guy asking Obama if he wanted
to hit this
Good point and thank you for giving me a way to clearly identify the end of
any thread you participate in.
Because uh uh uh uh OBAMA!
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:39 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
It's an expensive endeavor and does not translate in every region, let
alone every country. Not to the extent that they're talking about in the
article at least.
The cool part to me is that in the life cycle of any product or
OMG I love this website.
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
oh, it exists...here's the results of the first trial run
http://www.lingscars.com/
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This story is one in a series on a crisis in America's Breadbasket âthe
depletion of the Ogallala Aquifer and its effects on a region that helps
feed the world.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/last-drop-americas-breadbasket-faces-dire-water-crisis-n146836
Some quotes from:
http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
Three Jewish teens were abducted over 2 weeks ago.
One of these teens was an American citizen.
Every 40 seconds in the United States, a child
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
Whether or not this is Eric's viewpoint (and I'm not going to put words in
his mouth as to that) I have seen several other veterans that have that
very mentality.
I think you could just say I have seen several other [humans] that
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:56 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
Reading through comments from those who screamed for years about
Benghazi and are now slamming President Obama because he
is sending troops to protect the embassies in Iraq makes me
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
I said curious, not surprising. Having been on CVN-73
when Hussein put his troops back on the border in 1994,
I know that if air support was truly needed the carrier
wouldn't truly need to be that close.
The supreme art of war is
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