RE: popUp Window trouble

2002-03-12 Thread Steve Oliver
That looks like it should work... window.open('url', 'windowName', 'properties'); The only thing I noticed is the name is pretty long, theDetailWindow, not sure if it matters but you could try using a shorter name. Other then that I noticed you have the href set in the link. When I use a link

RE: CFFILE - on server only?

2002-03-12 Thread Steve Oliver
Well with CFCONTENT you could use it to send a file to a user, which would in turn popup a save as box for them to save a file to a certain location. Something like... cfsetting enablecfoutputonly=yes cfcontent file=whatever.txt type=application/ms-download But there is no way to manipulate

Help - Security Configuration Editor?

2002-03-12 Thread forrester
What I have used is the MS Security Took Kit for NT and 2000 server to lock them down. MS sales people have been giving them out at seminars, conventions, etc. here in Italy so I have never looked on the web (must be on the security pages of MS). dott. John Forrester Systems e Networking

Running both CF4.5 and CF5 on the same machine

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Adams
Hi everyone, I have two CF sites, one built using CF4.5 the other using CF5. We need to put both on a laptop for demo purposes. Is it possible to have CF4.5 and 5 on the same machine or will 5 overwrite 4.5. If so can 4.5 be installed over 5 at a later date. I know the the site built using

Re: Running both CF4.5 and CF5 on the same machine

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Moretti
Morning, I have two CF sites, one built using CF4.5 the other using CF5. We need to put both on a laptop for demo purposes. Is it possible to have CF4.5 and 5 on the same machine or will 5 overwrite 4.5. If so can 4.5 be installed over 5 at a later date. I know the the site built using

udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Will Swain
Hi guys, I seem to remember a udf that would pick out a link in a block of text, and make it a display it on a page as a clickable hyperlink within that text. Or am I just imagining it? Anyway a cursory search of CFlib turns up nothing, so can any of you guys help? Cheers Will

RE: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Allan Pichler
You can find a custom tag that does it in the components section of www.coderbox.com @llan -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex? Hi guys,

SQL on grant all

2002-03-12 Thread Mak Wing Lok
is it possible i run the SQL statement below in cfquery? grant all privileges on table1 to user1 i get an error when i do so. __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Re: Deleteing files and directory

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
Whats the best way to delete files and then the directory they are within? Is there some sort of recursive delete on one the CF functions? __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB

RE: SQL on grant all

2002-03-12 Thread Pascal Peters
Make sure the user for the connection has the right permissions and that the Restrict SQL Operations to checkboxes for the datasource in the CF administrator are all unchecked Pascal -Original Message- From: Mak Wing Lok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: dinsdag 12 maart 2002 12:30 To:

RE: Deleteing files and directory

2002-03-12 Thread Pascal Peters
Hi Phil There is a Customtag cf_directory on the developers exchange that will do it. If you can't find it, mail me off list. I will send it to you. Pascal -Original Message- From: phumes1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: dinsdag 12 maart 2002 12:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Deleteing

Re: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Moretti
Raymond Camden has a nice collection of udfs etc on http://www.cflib.org Stephen - Original Message - From: Will Swain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex? Hi guys,

Re: SQL on grant all

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Moretti
is it possible i run the SQL statement below in cfquery? grant all privileges on table1 to user1 i get an error when i do so. You should be able to. What's the error you get? Stephen __ Get Your Own Dedicated

Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
I've never used fusebox, so I'm wondering if it is worth taking the time to learn. What are the advantages or disadvantages to it? Are there any good books/webpages on learning it? What additional stuff do I need on my server to be able to use it? Thanks, T

RE: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Will Swain
thanks allan, thats great. Cheers Will -Original Message- From: Allan Pichler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 March 2002 11:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex? You can find a custom tag that does it in the components section

Re: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Moretti
Raymond Camden has a nice collection of udfs etc on http://www.cflib.org [snip] Or am I just imagining it? Anyway a cursory search of CFlib turns up nothing, so can any of you guys help? Of course I really should take some aspirin for this headache and read emails more thoroughly too.

RE: Deleteing files and directory

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
Great...thanks At 12:50 PM 3/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi Phil There is a Customtag cf_directory on the developers exchange that will do it. If you can't find it, mail me off list. I will send it to you. Pascal -Original Message- From: phumes1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

RE: udf to recognise url in a block of text or do i need a regex?

2002-03-12 Thread Will Swain
lolno worries steve, take a pill man!!! I have altered the custom tag from coderbox slightly, so that the links open in new windows, and it works a treat. I'm sure it would be easy enough to convert to a UDF if needed. Cheers Will -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread James Maltby
Can open, worms all over the floor! IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take

RE: Deleteing files and directory

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
I just tried it out and it works great except for one thing. I was hoping the tag would also allow me to delete all the files within a directory but leave the directory itself. This custom tag seems to delete all the files and directory. I do need this option but also require the option to

RE: Deleteing files and directory

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
Nevermind...found one. At 07:28 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: I just tried it out and it works great except for one thing. I was hoping the tag would also allow me to delete all the files within a directory but leave the directory itself. This custom tag seems to delete all the files and

RE: CFTransactions and SQL Transactions?

2002-03-12 Thread Bill Grover
Shawn, I don't have an answer but am anxiously awaiting one. I have a case where in order to get some records into our SQL database I execute a SP to enter a blank record and then call several SP's to update different fields in the record with values. I need to wrap this in a cftransaction

cffile and wordperfect

2002-03-12 Thread phillip
if it is possible, can anyone tell me how to successfully upload a wordperfect document using cffile? thanks, phillip FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe:

OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Small
Just wanting to know. IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take to fusebox

RE: CFFILE - on server only?

2002-03-12 Thread Dylan Bromby
That's my point. That defeats the purpose behind the intent of the original poster. -Original Message- From: Steve Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFFILE - on server only? Well with CFCONTENT you could use it to send a

Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus
I think the insinuation is that a coder is an HTML- or web-programmer-type (ASP, PHP, etc.) without OO experience, whereas a programmer is someone with an OO background. Just my take on it, I'll reserve my opinion of just how asinine that statement is. Pete - Original Message - From:

Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Hatton Humphrey
(Shouldn't this be on CF-Community?) In my world the distinction is not OO based... Object Oriented is a more advanced programming technique, but you have to remember those who program in non-Object capable languages (and there are a lot of them). There were people referred to as Programmers

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Carabetta
Can open, worms all over the floor! IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take

OT: SSL Question

2002-03-12 Thread Duane Boudreau
I could use some clarification on SSL. If I create a link with url parameters, are the url parameters SSL encrypted? ex: https://www.domain.com/xyz.cfm?x=1234y=5678 I was under the impression that the urls params generated from a link were not SSL encrypted. TIA, Duane

Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 09:40 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: (Shouldn't this be on CF-Community?) In my world the distinction is not OO based... Object Oriented is a more advanced programming technique, but you have to remember those who program in non-Object capable languages (and there are a lot of them). There

Re: CFDIRECTORY

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
Hi, I want to be able to check to see if any directories exist with c:\temp and if so, redirect the output to different templates. What am I doing wrong below? cfdirectory directory=c:\test name=MyList cfif MyListr.name IS . or MyList.name IS .. cfif MyList.name IS

Re: OT: SSL Question

2002-03-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Duane Boudreau wrote: I could use some clarification on SSL. If I create a link with url parameters, are the url parameters SSL encrypted? Everything you send over a HTTPS connection is encrypted. This includes URL parameters. Jochem

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Donny Ng
Very well said. One more Pro: - It also faclitate developers to work in team. e.g. I will take care of the login circuit and you will take care of the ShoppingCart circuit. Yet one more Con: - FB is nasty if your clients need reporting on their website. Since FB always goes thru index.cfm

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Robert Everland
To take away your con, we use SES urls (search engine safe). Erik V made a tag that changes a url from index.cfm?fuseaciont=something.somethinghere=there to index.cfm/fuseaction/something.something/here/there/index.html . Not only will this help with the crappy search engines that aren't google,

RE: SSL Question

2002-03-12 Thread Christopher Olive
correct, if you are referring to them being visible to the person following the links. however, they are sent through an encrypted pipe, so those sniffing the network see the encrypted version. christopher olive cto, vp of web development, vp it security atnet solutions, inc. 410.931.4092

RE: CFDIRECTORY

2002-03-12 Thread kbutterly
Check out your cfif. You are testing if MyListr.name IS . or MyList.name IS .. and then if that is true, you are testing if MyList.name IS , which CANNOT be true, since you know that MyListr.name IS . or MyList.name IS .. Your original email seems to have a typo. Do you want to see if there

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Based on my understanding, OO is just as old as Procedural Programming. Oh, I don't think so. While they've both been around for quite a while, procedural programming still predates OO by decades, I'd guess. It's worth noting that, from a CS point of view (and I'm not a CS grad, so you'll

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Rich Wild
There's also an ISAPI filter that does this which we use: http://www.pstruh.cz/help/urlrepl/library.htm -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 March 2002 15:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Fusebox pros and cons To take away your con, we use

Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Hatton Humphrey
There were people referred to as Programmers long before the concept of Object Oriented development came along. Actually, I think you mean long before the concept of Object Oriented programming was put into practice. Based on my understanding, OO is just as old as Procedural

RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. Coder is a slang term for programmer, that's all. There's no difference. I think that the original poster was using the slang term to imply sloppyness, or lack of precision. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread BEN MORRIS
With webtrends, i've never had trouble with urls. For instance, http://www.sitename.com/index.cfm?page=home; is counted separate from http://www.sitename.com/index.cfm?page=news; The only problem is that you can't tell (from webtrends) how popular certain applications are if you use url

RE: SSL Question

2002-03-12 Thread Duane Boudreau
Bien merci/Thank you very much! Duane -Original Message- From: Christopher Olive [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SSL Question correct, if you are referring to them being visible to the person following the links. however,

Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Stephen Moretti
Coder/Programmer is synonymous. There is no difference - they both write code. The difference probably should be designer vs. coder/programmer, where designers can cope with flat stuff, but generally have no idea how to structure applications. Writing HTML is hardly coding - its only a complex

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Small
I was under the impression that OO methodology is relatively new (mid-late 80s) and became very popular when Bjorn Strausstroup (sp?) came out with his C for Classes (better known as C++) - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Frank Mamone
Because of this reason I decided not to go with it. Many clients have standard Web Stats packages already installed. - Original Message - From: Donny Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: RE: Fusebox pros and cons Very well

RE: CFDIRECTORY

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
At 10:36 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: Check out your cfif. You are testing if MyListr.name IS . or MyList.name IS .. and then if that is true, you are testing if MyList.name IS , which CANNOT be true, since you know that MyListr.name IS . or MyList.name IS .. Your original email seems to have

Creating a file from a web page

2002-03-12 Thread Mark Leder
I want to take a query output, format it as HTML page and save it as a downloadable HTML document. I don't need to display the page in the browser window. 1) Would CFSilent hide the HTML from view? 2) How would I create the HTML file, in other words:

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread John Beynon
There's a $50 fusebox log tool available from www.secretagents.com for online reporting...basic, but its pretty powerful, Jb. -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 March 2002 15:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fusebox pros and cons Because of

RE: Creating a file from a web page

2002-03-12 Thread Clint Tredway
Use cfhttp to send the page the vars and run the page and then use cffile to create a file with the generated output. HTH Clint -Original Message- From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Creating a file from a web page I

Re: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread BEN MORRIS
I don't mean to be a fusebox shil here, but... One advantage of FB is that all URL, FORM and ATTRUBUTE scoped vars are converted to attributes scope. So, you could have a url/stats safe page such as: www.mysite.com/shop/viewitem.cfm which contains only the code: cf_ShoppingApp

RE: Creating a file from a web page

2002-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Small
I would create the page in a variable as if it were an html page on its own and then use cffile to store the variable in a file. Place a link to it on the page that the user sees and inform them to right-click-save target as-... or whatever works in their case. - Matt Small -Original

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 10:39 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: Based on my understanding, OO is just as old as Procedural Programming. Oh, I don't think so. While they've both been around for quite a while, procedural programming still predates OO by decades, I'd guess. Anyone know when the first Procedural

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
You can see my other post. First OO language was in the early 70s; however I can't find anything statement when OO concepts came into play. At 10:52 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: I was under the impression that OO methodology is relatively new (mid-late 80s) and became very popular when

RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread James Maltby
Coder = Someone who can work predominately with Mark Up languages Programmer = Someone who can work predominately with lower level languages Just terms we use here when invoicing clients. J -Original Message- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12,

Re: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
I agree ( and would add, based on another post that I already deleted ) that... Working in a team is not unique to fusebox. I can still work with other programmers in a team, even if I do not code with fusebox. I would argue to the below that converting URL / FORM / ATTRIBUTE

RE: CFDIRECTORY

2002-03-12 Thread Pascal Peters
Try this cfdirectory action=LIST directory=#dir# name=qName sort=type ASC, name DESC cfset bDir = 0 cfloop query=qName cfif qName.type IS dir AND NOT(ListFind(.,..,qName.name)) cfset bDir = 1 cfbreak cfelseif qName.type IS file cfbreak /cfif /cfloop cfif bDir

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
One advantage of FB is that all URL, FORM and ATTRUBUTE scoped vars are converted to attributes scope. I'm not so sure that's an advantage. It might be useful in places, but when I'm writing a program, I usually want to know where the inputs for that program come from. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig

Stored Procedure Help

2002-03-12 Thread Ian Skinner
I'm trying to write my first Cold Fusion Stored Procedure. And I have run into a problem. Can someone help explain what this error means: NULL Interface Ptr? I've looked in the online help documentation, and on Macromedia/Allair's web site and there is absolutely no reference to this error,

RE: Deleting CFID - CFTOKEN

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Currently in the ColdFusion Administrator you can tell it to purge data for clients that remain unvisited for X number of days. Is it possible to go from days to hours, or even possibly minutes? To the best of my knowledge, no, you can't do that. However, you can disconnect that data from

IsCreditCard() UDF from cflib.org

2002-03-12 Thread Nick de Voil
If anyone's got this UDF and is using the optional parameter, please download the new version which fixes a bug in the Mastercard number validation. Thanks to Troy Pullis for spotting it. Nick __ Why Share? Dedicated Win

RE: Stored Procedure Help

2002-03-12 Thread Rich Wild
provider=SQLOLEDB -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 March 2002 16:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: Stored Procedure Help I'm trying to write my first Cold Fusion Stored Procedure. And I have run into a problem. Can someone help explain what this

Re: Creating a file from a web page

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Hannum
Mark, I do a similar thing all the time. What you do is put your HTML output into a variable, then you write the contents of the variable to a file. CFSET temp = CFOUTPUT QUERY=myQuery CFSET temp = ListAppend(temp, HTMLHEADTITLE#myPageTitle#/TITLE, ^) CFSET temp = ListAppend(temp,

RE: CFDIRECTORY

2002-03-12 Thread phumes1
It works great. Thanks Pascal At 05:14 PM 3/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: Try this cfdirectory action=LIST directory=#dir# name=qName sort=type ASC, name DESC cfset bDir = 0 cfloop query=qName cfif qName.type IS dir AND NOT(ListFind(.,..,qName.name)) cfset bDir = 1 cfbreak

Re: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Frank Mamone
True, but it's not as complete as standard packages like LiveStats for example. There's no doubt about the advantages, but IMHO the abstraction causes other issues. - Original Message - From: John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:48

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread David Schmidt
I would have to say that it would be an advantage when desigining sub-applications or modules that can be called as custom tags. As far as knowing where inputs come from, that would be a documentation issue. Just my $.02 worth. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Stored Procedure Help

2002-03-12 Thread Clint Tredway
I know that some people are going to disagree with me.. but I hate using the storedproc tag. Try running this through cfquery and see what happens... cfquery name=YestPayments datasource=Paragon execute sp_ktChgsPmtsByDate sdate='#sdate#',Edate='#edate#' /cfquery My 2cents Clint CFSET

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Alex
There haven't really been too many innovations in the core concepts of programming for a very long time. I guess this depends on your definition of the core concepts of programming. Sure nothing has changed; we still set variables do conditionals and throw in some loops...it's simple. But the

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Cantrell, Adam
I'm not so sure that's an advantage. It might be useful in places, but when I'm writing a program, I usually want to know where the inputs for that program come from. The new fusedocs really are a nice touch to the current methodology - they specifically map out what's coming in and

RE: Stored Procedure Help

2002-03-12 Thread Rich Wild
I know that some people are going to disagree with me.. but I hate using the storedproc tag. well, both ways of calling SPs have their pros and cons with cfstoredproc you can retrieve multiple recordsets - a really useful way of encapsulating your SQL queries and maintaining efficiency

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 10:53 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: There haven't really been too many innovations in the core concepts of programming for a very long time. I guess this depends on your definition of the core concepts of programming. Sure nothing has changed; we still set variables do conditionals and

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread John McCosker
What about COLDFUSION being one, surely its a step in the direction of black box programming, If a tagged language could replace Javascript would it be an innovation? For beginners of JavaScript yes, because once they tackled a traditional programming language after learning it, they would see

RE: CFTransactions and SQL Transactions?

2002-03-12 Thread Shawn Grover
In my experience, this would be better done in a single stored procedure call (which would then call any other required stored procs). SQL Server supports nested transactions, so each of your 'child' stored procs can also use transactions if required. If you are writing this from scratch, put

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
Hear hear - reminds me of a conversation I had with a Java programmer who told me that JSP conveniently converted all URL and FORM variables to the same request scope. Which would pretty much break a lot of my form programming g. I like being able to specify scopes and keep items logically

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Andy Ewings
CF isn't a new way or concept of developing applications. Not like the encapsulation and inheritance properties of OO. For me the most recent new step was Java and the way the code is executed by JVM's across multi providers. the other was the introduction of OLEDB as a datasource connectivity

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
I'm not so sure that's an advantage. It might be useful in places, but when I'm writing a program, I usually want to know where the inputs for that program come from. The new fusedocs really are a nice touch to the current methodology - they specifically map out what's coming in

RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Coder = Someone who can work predominately with Mark Up languages coder != someone who can work with markup languages That's not coding. It's authoring, or formatting. I worked with markup languages (primarily as a technical writer) long before HTML became popular, and I was never a coder or a

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
... from a CS point of view (and I'm not a CS grad, so you'll have to take this with a grain of salt) there haven't really been too many innovations in the core concepts of programming for a very long time. I guess this depends on your definition of the core concepts of

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Brunt, Michael
I'm late in this thread as always (PST time and Starbucks Coffee that's my excuse). The greatest advantage of Fusebox from my experience is that it enables non ColdFusion savvy developers and designers to get up to speed quickly in CF. It gives them a structured set of reference points, it is

RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 04:58 PM 3/12/2002 +, you wrote: CF isn't a new way or concept of developing applications. Not like the encapsulation and inheritance properties of OO. For me the most recent new step was Java and the way the code is executed by JVM's across multi providers. I agree with you on

Re: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Nick de Voil
Can I ask for examples? XML. It doesn't change programming, but it sure changes the landscape. btw my guess at first OO language would be Simula (1967) Nick __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Ken Wilson
I like being able to specify scopes and keep items logically separated. Fusebox doesn't destroy the original scope or alter it in any way, it just makes the data available in the attributes scope should you have a desire to reference it that way. Ken

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 09:11 AM 3/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: I'm late in this thread as always (PST time and Starbucks Coffee that's my excuse). The greatest advantage of Fusebox from my experience is that it enables non ColdFusion savvy developers and designers to get up to speed quickly in CF. It gives them a

OT: Netscape VS IE

2002-03-12 Thread Ryan Edgar
Sorry for the off topic post. Does anyone know where I can find a definitive description of the differences (i.e. what will and won't work / html display differences etc...) between IE 5+ and Netscape 4.7 + TIA Ryan Edgar Certified Coldfusion 5 Developer www.biznet-solutions.com

Alphabetical Order for executed templates?

2002-03-12 Thread David Schmidt
Is it just me or does it looks like the debug output for CF show the templates in alphabetical order instead of by execution sequence? I am talking about the output below Execution Time. Is there a way to change this? Dave __

Re: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread stas
You still get your FORM and URL vars with Fusebox. If you don't want to read them from the attributtes scope, you don't have to! - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear hear - reminds me of a conversation I had with a Java programmer who told me that JSP

Re: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread ksuh
XML is an implementation of SGML, which has been around for decades. - Original Message - From: Nick de Voil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:17 am Subject: Re: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...) Can I ask for examples? XML. It doesn't

Re: RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread ksuh
One of the original ideas for C++ was to have a virtual machine as well. So that concept is very old as well. Face it, us computer people are terribly uncreative :) - Original Message - From: Andy Ewings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:58 am Subject: RE: OT: OO vs

Re: Netscape VS IE

2002-03-12 Thread Paul Giesenhagen
Hope this helps! http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/browser_chart/ Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector - Commerce Builder v2.0 - Original Message - From: Ryan Edgar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002

Re: Developers Exchange... How *could* they!?

2002-03-12 Thread Matt Brown
Friends... I am as shocked as you are at the speed of the Developer Exchange and am painfully aware of the effects that the new speed have had in your daily work. I wanted to let you know that we were not going to take this lying down. I have formulated a plan to reintroduce a lag into the

RE: Alphabetical Order for executed templates?

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Is it just me or does it looks like the debug output for CF show the templates in alphabetical order instead of by execution sequence? I am talking about the output below Execution Time. Yes, that's correct. Is there a way to change this? No, I don't think you can. I suspect they're

RE: Netscape VS IE

2002-03-12 Thread LANCASTER, STEVEN M. (JSC-OL) (BAR)
http://www.w3c.org might be a good place to start.. Steven Lancaster Barrios Technology NASA/JSC 281-244-2444 (voice) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ryan Edgar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Netscape VS IE Sorry

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Cantrell, Adam
Yes, that's all well and good. However, my original point, which I didn't make clear enough, is that when I write a program, that program should explicitly accept specific inputs from specific locations. This isn't a documentation issue, it's a program design issue. Specific inputs? yes.

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
Ah.. well, thanks for putting me straight on that. -Original Message- From: stas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fusebox pros and cons You still get your FORM and URL vars with Fusebox. If you don't want to read them from the

RE: RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
Wasn't it Bernard Shaw that said creativity is the ability to cleverly mask one's sources. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

RE: Alphabetical Order for executed templates?

2002-03-12 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
Correct, There is no way to fix this (in CF 4 or 5!...). -mk w -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Alphabetical Order for executed templates? Is it just me or does it looks

Re: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Nick de Voil
XML is an implementation of SGML, which has been around for decades. Yes indeed. But I was giving an example of something changing the landscape. We now have a universally accepted, simple, mostly logical, standard for structuring data in a self-describing format that's both portable and

RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??

2002-03-12 Thread James Maltby
Dave, at the end of the day it boils down to semiology - ye may as well call them ducks and dogs - we differ our billing around whether someone could (for example) buy a magazine, install a free dreamweaver trial and build a web page (duck/coder/muppet/whatever) and someone who can write (for

Re: OT: OO vs procedural (was: What's the difference...)

2002-03-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 12:17 PM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: Can I ask for examples? XML. It doesn't change programming, but it sure changes the landscape. It's just a change of implementation details, not necessarily programming concepts; but I understand what you are saying. btw my guess at first OO

RE: Fusebox pros and cons

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Yes, that's all well and good. However, my original point, which I didn't make clear enough, is that when I write a program, that program should explicitly accept specific inputs from specific locations. This isn't a documentation issue, it's a program design issue. Specific

CFEXECUTE Return Code

2002-03-12 Thread VAN VLIET, SCOTT E (SBCSI)
Do any of you out there know how to capture return code from a CFEXECUTE call? TIA! -- SCOTT VAN VLIET SENIOR ANALYST SBC SERVICES, INC Tel: 858.886.3878 Fax: 858.653.6763 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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