Steve Nelson said:
Is that true? Every time I've heard about some big new hack on
Windows, big enough to make the news, the patch was either already
available or available in less than 24 hours.
That they only make the news when Microsoft's marketing department
starts advertizing patch
Steve Nelson said:
Just out silly curiousity, I'd love to hear the
advantages/disadvantages between these three versions of selecting a
recordset from a db.
version 1
-
cfquery name=getuser datasource=#request.dsn#
select first_name
from users
where
Thanks I signed up for the css-d mailing list and am learning a ton...
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From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [OT] How do you make a DIV take up space?
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d is
While not wanting to get into the whole Stored Procedures V CFQUERY
argument, I have to say there are times when stored procedures are a more
suitable
solution.
For example in a large company looking to add limited intranet access to an
important DB - its quite likely they already have their DB
I removed the first line but that has not help.
The code below is the page that is causing the problem? Remove the first
line.
John Croney wrote:
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The use of cfquery vs cfstoredproc has nothing to do with separation of
presentation from business logic. You always want to do that and it can
be achieved with both.
-Matt
On Mar 24, 2004, at 5:23 AM, Stephen Barry wrote:
While not wanting to get into the whole Stored Procedures V CFQUERY
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the edit
functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did what was
suggested on my laptop, and now when I right-click and View-Source, or
View-Source from the menu I get nothing! I've been back through the
microsoft article that told you
Maybe I'm way off base but what if you created a page with multiple frames and in each frame loaded a page that synced a different site.Wouldn't each frame be processed as a different request causing CF to process them in parallel?
__
From: Greg Luce
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the
edit functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did
what was suggested on my laptop, and now when I right-click
and View-Source, or View-Source from the menu I get nothing!
I've been back through the
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From: Matt Liotta
If that's all, I guess I'll continue to use cfquery.
I find that the most valid reason for using stored procedures is for
transaction processing. If I need to tie several pieces of functionality
together in one database hit, then I'll put it in a
I cant see the correlation either...
psycho nazi dba's need to first get over themselves...
a view to the tables can obscure enough if that's the reason...
and Im not sure that I can even come close to agreeing that cf code
will look better if you use stored procs...
that's like saying
there ya go...
a valid reason...however it has no bearing on security, more on
functionality...
good stuff
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From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: why are procedures better? (was: RE:
On Wednesday 24 Mar 2004 13:15 pm, Bill Grover wrote:
each frame be processed as a different request causing CF to process them
in parallel? __
It would.
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I find that the most valid reason for using stored procedures is for
transaction processing. If I need to tie several pieces of
functionality
together in one database hit, then I'll put it in a stored proc. For
example, I'm working on a nested set procedure right now, where I
need to
find the
Tom, are you getting two copies of every single message sent to this list or
am I succintly targeted by the arseholes of the world to be pushed to the
limit and say GTFOOH!?
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I find that the most valid reason for using stored procedures
is for transaction processing. If I need to tie several
pieces of functionality together in one database hit, then
I'll put it in a stored proc. For example, I'm working on a
nested set procedure right now, where I need to find
Deanna,
Have you used ER Studio? If you engineer a db with it, the tool
will poop out all the procs for select, add, update, and delete
automatically. It's really handy. I've done it and run whole sites on
stored procs without ever writing a line of SQL (except a few custom
procs). Last time I
De skewing?Now sure I understand what you mean.
John
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Image Tag
John u know of any command for deskewing?all i see is one for Skew.
If you know of any tag or CFX
Finally, I work in small teams quite often where we all need to make
bets
use of our time, so sometimes if we are pressed for time, one person
will
write the stored procs, while another works on the pages and another
the
layout and UI. Imagine the hassle of trying to work on the same page
Me thinks it is an IIS setting :)
I THINK
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From: Greg Luce
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: OT Viewing Source Code
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the edit
functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did
I don't think there have been convincing arguments that SPs help from a
security standpoint, but from a performance standpoint I don't think
it's debatable.
1. Stored Procedures allow developers to encapsulate business logic and
provide users (programmers) with a simple interface to that logic.
Yeah, but CF will double up those quotes automatically. At least I thought
it did.
Steve
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: why are procedures better? (was: RE: Securing CF Apps.)
This type
basically it straightens an image.Lets say you scan a document, but it's kinda crooked cos you accidentally moved the paper right before you scanned.I'm not sure how deskewing works programatically, but it straightens the image for you.I can't believe you've never heard of deskewing tho!To me it's
I don't think there have been convincing arguments that SPs help from a
security standpoint, but from a performance standpoint I don't think
it's debatable.
That is a myth. Stored procedures are only faster than dynamic queries;
not prepared statements. In fact, in some cases it is possible for
You are quite correct.
Jochem's example will wind up with all the DROP TABLE junk in the text
field.
If you try that against a numeric field, then you wind up with invalid
SQL which will throw an error.
Besides, shouldn't there be some data validation before you get to the
stage of running
If your application is properly modularized there shouldn't
be all those different things in the same file anyway.
Well not all of us are in positions to control every aspect of a project..
Nor are the people that are in charge always in line proper ways of doing
things. I'm just another
your not weird, that's the truth...validate validate validate
junk in = junk out
good in = good out
prevent the problem and you will fare much better than trying to
obscure something.
and whats the point of hiding data structure from developers and the like?
no point...doesnt having a better
Just to double check, I tested this by doing this:
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id='1' note the
single quotes
In the Debugging, I get this:
getuser (Records=0, Time=0ms)
SQL =
select first_name
from users
where user_id='''1''' note the extra doubled up single quotes
Stephen Moretti wrote:
You are quite correct.
Jochem's example will wind up with all the DROP TABLE junk in the text
field.
Read again what I wrote about C-style escaping. Or just test it.
If you try that against a numeric field, then you wind up with invalid
SQL which will throw an
My biggest beef with ms stored procs is the cheesy error handling.If they
would update t-sql to be a more robust language, maybe then I'd do more
stored procs.
I've also never figured out a good way to create a stored proc for searching
a table if your search terms can be any combination of
yes matt. it is true that there is a dba login to every database. of course no one using the application has the role of dba. so what is your point?
-adam
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:09 PM
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Subject: Re:
From: Jochem van Dieten
This type of coding can be insecure. Just imagine what would
happen in Oracle, MySQL or any other database that use
C-style escaping when combined with: cfset url.user_id =
h4ck3r\'; DROP TABLE users; COMMIT; --
But if you're using CFQUERYPARAM, then that
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the edit
functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did what was
suggested on my laptop, and now when I right-click and View-Source, or
View-Source from the menu I get nothing! I've been back through the
microsoft article that
Steve Nelson wrote:
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id='1' note the
single quotes
It should be without quotes here.
SQL =
select first_name
from users
where user_id='''1''' note the extra doubled up single quotes
Without quotes that would be:
where user_id='1'
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: why are procedures better? (was: RE: Securing CF Apps.)
I don't think there have been convincing arguments that SPs help from
asecurity standpoint, but from
Alright, so far you've just said all these ideas are pointless. What do you suggest?
-adam
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:15 PM
To: 'CF-Talk'
Subject: Re: Securing CF Apps.
Where do people get the idea that adding
Philip Arnold wrote:
From: Jochem van Dieten
This type of coding can be insecure. Just imagine what would
happen in Oracle, MySQL or any other database that use
C-style escaping when combined with: cfset url.user_id =
h4ck3r\'; DROP TABLE users; COMMIT; --
But if you're using
Well not all of us are in positions to control every aspect of a
project..
Nor are the people that are in charge always in line proper ways of
doing
things. I'm just another person on the lower end of the totem pole. If
everything ran as it should we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I
yes matt. it is true that there is a dba login to every database. of
course no one using the application has the role of dba. so what is
your point?
The point is the login is there and can be exploited. No matter how
much you lock down the schema, there is always one user account which
has
I certainly understand your position. But what does that have
to do with comparing stored procedures to queries? It may
matter in your particular situation, but we are supposed to
be having a generic technical debate.
Yes, we are having a generic technical debate, and what I am saying is
I have only seen this error popup when a user chooses to cancel the
download of a file with me using cfcontent. The error in my case is
never seen by the user it does however right to the logs.
To make it stop I used cftry around the cfcontent tags.
cftry
cfcontent ...
cflocation ...
From: Greg Luce
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the
edit functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did
what was suggested on my laptop, and now when I right-click
and View-Source, or View-Source from the menu I get nothing!
I've been back through the
anyone actually use this?has like no docs.I can see some class files in the jar and all, but...
Doug
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java CFX for CF-Excel
From: Jochem van Dieten
Which is why I advocate cfqueryparam.
Why is why EVERYBODY should advocate CFQUERYPARAM g
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No, it's in the browser.You can view source on a machine that doesn't
have IIS installed.
John
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Me thinks it is an IIS setting :)
I
This is simply your opinion which differs greatly from the DBAs I've
been involved with.
It isn't my opinion; it is an easily provable fact. Go ask your DBAs
what the difference in execution between a prepared statement and a
stored procedure is. The answer is nothing. But, don't take my word
Alright, so far you've just said all these ideas are pointless. What
do you suggest?
See the archives where I answered that question.
-Matt
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But no imaging software knows what your intended image was.To an
imaging program, the white edges around your skewed image is just as
important to the image as your photo (or whatever it is that you
scanned.Basically, to deskew it, you'd have to rotate the entire image
x degrees until the image
Actually there isn't. Common sense dictates that your schema owner / dba is disabled on production once its deployed. Furthermore there is never a need for the schema owner or dba to have an account in your application. So again, you trying to argue against Oracle and SQL security, which should be
I created some a simple install script that will install or add the table to a current databse (ms access) and also created the cfm files for you. Here is the example of the app http://www.katyheat.com/gallery.cfm I use image.dll and autoresize. Image.dll is ok and does the job, all that is
Yes, we are having a generic technical debate, and what I am saying is
that
when the team setup or hierarchical setup is not ideal, separating
work out
makes the project move along faster. Stored procs come into play here
in
that someone can tackle this aspect while other things are being
I use it. See http://devilm.com/archives/99.html for more
information. BTW, OpenXCF is always looking for contributors. Maybe you
could write the documentation.
-Matt
On Mar 24, 2004, at 9:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
anyone actually use this? has like no docs. I can see some class
Hello,
How could I redirect a user to a page with cflocation to a page with an anchor?
And the anchor is to be determined by a query var.
cflocation url="">
That doesn't work any ideas?
I've never had to do this.
Thanks,
Yves
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That is a myth. Stored procedures are only faster than
dynamic queries; not prepared statements. In fact, in some
cases it is possible for a stored procedure to actually be
slower than a dynamic query.
This is simply your opinion which differs greatly from the DBAs
I've been
Stephen Moretti wrote:
You are quite correct.
Jochem's example will wind up with all the DROP TABLE junk in the text
field.
Read again what I wrote about C-style escaping. Or just test it.
Blows up on mySQL, but I see your point for less secure databases like
Oracle
The problem I
How could I redirect a user to a page with cflocation to a
page with an anchor? And the anchor is to be determined by
a query var.
cflocation url="">
That doesn't work any ideas?
My guess is that you'd have to have two hashes to escape, and one hash at
each end of your _expression_:
Hi Matt
I'm not quite clear on this. Of course SP's aren't the only way of
separating business logic from presentation but aren't they one possible
means of doing so? SP's allow developers to abstract or separate server-side
functions from the client-side GUI. Multiple statements and conditional
The only way I know to explain this is to give an example.
// THIS STRUCT IS IN SERVER SCOPE (3 simple values and a query)
server.myData = structNew();
server.myData.var_1 = ;
server.myData.var_2 = ;
server.myData.var_3 = ;
server.myData.myQuery = queryNew(c1,c2,c3);
// THIS IS MY CFC
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id=\'1\'
getuser (Records=0, Time=141ms)
SQL =
select first_name
from users
where user_id='\''1\'''
I just gave it a try. It looks like it is doubled up by CF.
Steve
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL
Stephen Moretti wrote:
Stephen Moretti wrote:
You are quite correct.
Jochem's example will wind up with all the DROP TABLE junk in the text
field.
Read again what I wrote about C-style escaping. Or just test it.
Blows up on mySQL, but I see your point for less secure databases like
another reason why sp's may be slower than sql logic in a cfquery tag...
http://www.winnetmag.com/SQLServer/Article/ArticleID/23011/23011.html
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From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: why are
There are plenty!!!You definitely have not seen a document being deskewed!!!But it works best for images that have some kind of line pattern on them (like say, a page that has a sentence or paragrahp or a whole article).Then it does some math and decides the actual orientation.Something like that.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my reply to that statement. There is
nothing inherent about stored procedures which makes them
better for separating out work. It is in fact the same amount
of work to separate queries as it is stored procedures.
Well... As I already pointed out:
Developer1 - User
Actually there isn't. Common sense dictates that your schema owner /
dba is disabled on production once its deployed. Furthermore there is
never a need for the schema owner or dba to have an account in your
application. So again, you trying to argue against Oracle and SQL
security, which
You were absolutely right.
Thanks,
Yves
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: # Signs for anchor in cflocation
How could I redirect a user to a page with cflocation to a
page with an anchor? And the anchor is to be
When you run structAppend(a,b) you are appending B onto A. In your case, you
appended Server onto Data. If you wanted to update the server scope why
didn't you just manipulate it directly? If you prefer using a pointer, you
can use
data = "">
Note - I do not recommend directly accessing server
Steve Nelson wrote:
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id=\'1\'
Why are you using a backslashes - single quotes combnation twice?
It won't work that way and I only had one.
Please try exactly the following link against a database that
supports C-style escaping:
You were right.
Thanks,
Yves
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: # Signs for anchor in cflocation
How could I redirect a user to a page with cflocation to a
page with an anchor? And the anchor is to be determined
I'm not quite clear on this. Of course SP's aren't the only way of
separating business logic from presentation but aren't they one
possible
means of doing so? SP's allow developers to abstract or separate
server-side
functions from the client-side GUI. Multiple statements and
conditional
The problem I always have with this example, despite the fact that 9/10
the example itself doesn't work, is that it takes 2 minutes to set up
appropriate users for databases with appropriate grant levels and you
can even set the statements that can be executed in the DNS settings in
kewl, me have a look-see.I was looking for a way to export graphs from cfchart into an Excel sheet, without COM and work on Excel97.Why my interests in your stuff was piqued.I see the ExcelQuery imports only.What about the PDFText.class?Its on my list of things to play with this some, I'll attempt
Sorry about that
The first email seemed to be rejected ...
Yves
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From: Yves Arsenault
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: # Signs for anchor in cflocation
You were right.
Thanks,
Yves
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From: Dave
When I did my comparison I used the stored procedure name getuser, i.e. no
sp_ That is weird though. Just to restate my performance results, this is
what i found:
version 1, cfquery, no cfqueryparam : averaged 0.5098ms
version 2, cfquery w/ cfqueryparam: averaged 0.5744ms
version 3, cfstoredproc:
Ok, but I would imagine that in the background that's all that it's
doing is rotating based on lines and such and then cropping.It's
finding out what part of the image is what is desired and then doing
those operations.I don't know anything that you can leverage in CF to
do that with, but you
Maybe I don't understand your setup. In some CFM, you have to either
call cfquery or cfstoredproc. If you need to change either the query or
the stored procedure, you will need to edit this file. Now in either
case, you could simply use a cfinclude to separate out either into a
separate file
I don't think it's going to matter, because CF is generating the doubled up
single quotes that are sent to the db. Here are a few combinations:
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id=1\'
getuser (Records=0, Time=0ms)
SQL =
select first_name
from users
where
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From: Greg Luce
Have you used ER Studio?
Nope, I use SQL Navigator SQL Plus, Oracle behind those. Don't think
there's any auto-generating of stored procs in it. Don't think my boss would
think it worthwhile to plop down more money just for that, either.
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Actually, the version of ExcelQuery up at OpenXCF can both read and
write files. It accepts an action attribute, which specifies which way
to go. For example, the following.
cfx_excelquery action=""
file=/Applications/BlueDragon_Server_JX/wwwroot/openxcf/test.xls
variable=qry
-Matt
On Mar
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From: Steve Nelson
Do
you have a development Oracle server you could try this on? I'm very
curious
if there is a difference.
I haven't tested since we switched to CFMX, but on CF 5.0 with Oracle 8.17,
the injected sql would fail as invalid when it hit the
psycho nazi dba's need to first get over themselves...
a view to the tables can obscure enough if that's the reason...
Now Tony, I think thats a bit strong! Some companies employ people to know
exactly whats going on with the DB. More a reflection of the value of
information and the
That's precisely what I'm saing. Once deployed, the schema owner is disabled. Now of course an sa account exists, but an sa account will exists on every db server, just as and admin account exists on every OS. Furthermore, all client tool connections are disabled as well. The only thing that isn't
Thanks Matt, we will experiment...I didn't realize it could also write
files...long shot but does it currently allow for any column formatting?
If not we'll look to extend it and contribute changes back to the
project.
Thx!
_
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,
I tried looking for tags/ CFX's that have deskwing, but to no avail.So i decided instead to have a field where the user inputs a number.The user basically guesses roughly about how many degrees to rotate theimage in order to get the lines straight.
Didnt go pass management though haha.
-
Has anybody come across a sales lead / contact management application. CF based apps would be a preference, but I would like to see what else is available as well. I have tried googling as well as the list archives but am not getting much. I may not be using the right keywords to search.
Thanks,
That's precisely what I'm saing. Once deployed, the schema owner is
disabled. Now of course an sa account exists, but an sa account will
exists on every db server, just as and admin account exists on every
OS. Furthermore, all client tool connections are disabled as well. The
only thing
It only allows setting cell values and formulas. I suggest all
formating be done in a template.
-Matt
On Mar 24, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Stacy Young wrote:
Thanks Matt, we will experiment...I didn't realize it could also write
files...long shot but does it currently allow for any column
Steve Nelson wrote:
I don't think it's going to matter, because CF is generating the doubled up
single quotes that are sent to the db. Here are a few combinations:
http://192.168.0.100/experiments/temp/queries.cfm?user_id=1\'
getuser (Records=0, Time=0ms)
SQL =
select first_name
from
So are you advocating cfincludes with queries instead of stored procs?
Steve
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: why are procedures better? (was: RE: Securing CF Apps.)
Maybe I don't understand
Does that mean SQL2000 is more secure than Oracle?!hahaha
Seriously, what does it do in Oracle? Will it throw an error? Can you run a
simple test to see what happens?
Steve
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:56 AM
To:
Just testing to see if my messages are getting through
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The information
Hi all:
Looking into taking over a huge web site project that a potential client
recently asked us about.The problem is, the site is so sprawling and
mis-managed, there are TONS of files on the server that I have no idea
whether or not are in use.I was wondering if there was any software out
Actually, I DON'T want to update the server struct.It has default data
that I use to populate local structures.My problem is that the server
struct is being updated somehow, but I don't want it to.Only the query is
updated, not the simple values of the struct.
Hope that makes sense.
-Brad
Ah, then change it to:
cfset structAppend(data, duplicate(server.myData), false)
Notice the use of duplicate. Before you were ending up with a pointer.
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This isn't exactly a map like you're thinking, but might help none the less.
http://www.fusebox.org/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=11threadid=299highligh
t_key=ykeyword1=prototype
In a nutshell you include the file in your Application.cfm, then you click
through the site. Every time you hit a
Thanks, i have seen this in the JRun Error Logs occationally without using any CFCONTENT.
Well we do have some Large CFMX Generated HTML(output) Reports...
Is it possible that the user might have clicked Stop while the report was downloading
to the browser and that threw an error on the Log
Nope, simply pointing out that if the problem is related to two people
needing to edit the same file then that particular problem can be
easily solved.
-Matt
On Mar 24, 2004, at 11:00 AM, Steve Nelson wrote:
So are you advocating cfincludes with queries instead of stored procs?
Steve
Let's say a table was going to contain AllocatedTime which would be the
total time allocation for a task, say...an hour, possibly 8, maybe 16, maybe
even a half hour or 45 minutes...you get it, a range of hours and minutes,
and another table was going to contain separate entries to track progress
Use datetime datatypes with datediff/dateadd functions.
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From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Quick Question, RE: Datatype and future date/time calculations
Let's say a table was going to contain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/23/04 8:50 PM
I generally test my workflow by creating a non-functional html prototype
then applying Interaction Design techniques (ala Cooper.com). It's a
manual
process though, requires a lot of thinking. What are you trying to
achieve
by testing the User Interface?
Use datetime datatypes with datediff/dateadd functions.
Will date time allow me to insert dates/times that are larger than 24
hours? I mean, no harm in trying, of course...
I was actually planning on taking advantage of datediff/dateadd, that's why
I was hoping a datetime datatype would
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