I have some custom tags (PLUM) for which another developer created the xml
files for tag completion for dreamweaver.
I have been using them for quite some time in dreamweaver MX 2004. Just
upgraded and they don't work anymore. I guess I have to move them to
another folder. This presents
Well, I recently dumped the use of the CFX tag and just used the iText
engine direct (which is what it uses anyway).
I found it to be far faster.
-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 November 2005 14:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfxpdf performance
Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the
drivers? I'm assuming the DataDirect drivers
work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong
too?
There are differences, although I'm not sure what they are, exactly. The
DataDirect drivers may be better, but I suspect that depends on the
specifics
we would like to limit the amount of times a user may search/ie use our search
facility as we think that we may be under some kind of script attack at the
moment.
What would be some solutions to prevent a certain number of form submissions
from taking place in a given period of time?
Not without a VPN.
HTH,
Howie
--- On Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:51 AM, Taco Fleur scribed: ---
I can't recall whether it is possible to enable AD integration when
the web
server is not within the same office?
Example; Web Server is hosted with an ISP on a dedicated server that
we can
I have completed a site using Coldfusion. When a user buys a subscription to
the site, the license is for that person on the computer he purchased the
subscription on. I do not want people sharing passwords. I have implemented
a few different authentication methods including an activeX controller
On 11/8/05, John Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have completed a site using Coldfusion. When a user buys a subscription
to
the site, the license is for that person on the computer he purchased the
subscription on. I do not want people sharing passwords. I have
implemented
a few different
I have a bunch of variables in the bindings tab on the Application pane...
is there a way to have the output use all lowercase scope names? Right now
it outputs:
Session.varnam
Application.varname
etc...
I like all the scope names to be lowercase.
Not a major deal but I want to keep the code
| I have completed a site using Coldfusion. When a user buys a
| subscription to the site, the license is for that person on the
| computer he purchased the subscription on. I do not want people
| sharing passwords. I have implemented a few different authentication
| methods including an
I had hope that it was a Julian date, but it's got one too many digits for
that. I'd agree with the others that you need to figure out why it's being
stored in a number column and what it's supposed to represent. Otherwise
we're just guessing here.
On 11/7/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a bunch of variables in the bindings tab on the Application
pane...
is there a way to have the output use all lowercase scope names? Right now
it outputs:
Session.varnam
Application.varname
etc...
I like all the scope names to be lowercase.
I like it too. But I never took the
No, I am not sure this worked. This has been up for a couple of years
but I vaguely remember making a change having to do with the email
address a few months ago. (Note to self: got to start commenting better)
I imagine it has been broken since and neither I nor anyone else
realized it until last
I like it too. But I never took the time to hack DW's in
order to fix this
:-)
Sounds good. I will post the hack if I can figure it out!
Thanks Massimo.
MT
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Ask a PHP programmer. They, and most UNIX folks too are very familiar
with this scheme of dating. They use it all the time. Hell, the *nix OS
uses this type of date for all kinds of operations. It's called the UNIX
EPOCH. In PHP, there's a built-in date function to handle these types of
dates.
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 06:51, Taco Fleur wrote:
I would think not, but am not sure of myself anymore, any confirmation
would be much appreciated.
You could have a BDC in the ISP (maybe on the web server).
Other more sick ideas spring to mind, but you'll need a VPN betwen the PDC and
the
Sounds good. I will post the hack if I can figure it out!
Feel free to ask in case you get stuck.
BTW If you would like to handle request variables from DW's Binding panel,
you can use this extension:
http://www.massimocorner.com/dreamweaver/coldfusion/cf_request_var.mxp
Oh, sorry, I forgot my last link telling you how to deal with this
value. Check out this function at CFLIB:
EpochTimeToDate:
http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=654
--Ferg
Ken Ferguson wrote:
Ask a PHP programmer. They, and most UNIX folks too are very familiar
with this scheme of dating. They
From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feel free to ask in case you get stuck.
Thanks! I am sure as I use DW8 more I will ask you more questions.
BTW If you would like to handle request variables from DW's
Binding panel, you can use this extension:
I'm just looking for a
good solution
that works in the majority of cases and does not make it too
difficult for
the user.
ActiveX will cut out a good portion of your market. According to the
latest survey by OneStat IE is down to 85% world wide, and in the
US/Canada it's only got about
Last night I took care of the spaces in the category names. I'm just
replacing them in the JS, then putting them back in the CF function
(since the data has spaces, I need to have them there). Let me know if
it still doesn't work in Safari, if you don't mind. But James might be
right, it just
From: John C. Bland II
Selecting a combo, FF Beta 1, shows all of the functions for
that selection
(ex - selecting arrays show all array functions, etc). What
would be nice is
searching within the selected combo selection. Currently it
resets the como
every time I type. You prob
I have a widget I built a couple of years ago to allow our accounting
staff to disable the link to our online timecard system.
Pretty simple, I set a server.kronos value to true or false. True the
link is live, false a maintenance message is displayed.
We have recently changed the back-up
That's interesting.
So doe sthis mean that CFTRANSACTION doesn't work unless your
username/passwor dare in the DSN?
Russ
The transaction processing appears to be honoured so the warning would seem to
be merely an inconvenience. Or am I missing something?
I thought there was a method where you could periodically send a file to
remote DCs and have them replay the changes.
This would keep you from needing a VPN, but it does cause some other
issues.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 15:25, Ken Ketsdever wrote:
Any ideas???
Browse to the URL using a command line web browser like lynx or telnet on the
webserver itself - maybe there is an authentication or other probelm.
--
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Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Ask for a credit card or their social security number. I doubt they
will want to share that information with others.
-Original Message-
From: John Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Preventing users sharing accounts
I have
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 15:50, Dawson, Michael wrote:
... periodically send a file to
remote DCs and have them replay the changes.
How would that work with no VPN ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
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Hey all,
I've never had to administer a shared server with CF before and I'm curious
about how you can assign a custom tag directory for each site?
Cheers,
Kevin
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You could use a lot of different solutions. I've done something similar for
a standalone desktop app and we generated a key based on hardware
information.
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: John Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: November 8, 2005 6:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Preventing
You would have to come up with another form of transport: FTP, SMTP,
HTTP, etc.
Then, some sort of script would be configured to tell the DC to run the
file.
Let me state that this is just a wild-ass suggestion.
I seem to remember that you could build a DC, send it to the remote
location, then
sandboxes :)
Hey all,
I've never had to administer a shared server with CF before and I'm curious
about how you can assign a custom tag directory for each site?
Cheers,
Kevin
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On Nov 8, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Munson, Jacob wrote:
I'm just looking for a
good solution
that works in the majority of cases and does not make it too
difficult for
the user.
ActiveX will cut out a good portion of your market.
Especially amount those of us who've switched primarily to Macs.
The reason I ask is that we currently do some development for sites that
use Oracle and are hosted on navy bases. We currently have a copy of
CFMX 6 Enterprise just for that purpose. We're upgrading to 7 and I'm
curious if we'd need to keep Enterprise or if we could use Standard and
the Oracle
Someone also suggested this, although I'm not sure what the http_via variable
returns or if the combination of the three could give you some sort of unique
identifier.
You could save and later compare several pieces of info:
- cookie
- his ip: CGI.HTTP_REMOTE_ADDR or if he's behind a proxy and
On Monday 07 November 2005 17:08, Dave Phillips wrote:
ideas/suggestions as to how to get around what appears to be a bug?
Did you close your iframe tag ?
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Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
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On 11/8/05, Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but I vaguely remember making a change having to do with the email
address a few months ago. (Note to self: got to start commenting better)
Two words: version control :)
--
Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/
Got frameworks?
If you're not
I subscribe to a site that uses IP address and forces you to re-login if you
hit the site from a different IP. That's what I would call the bottom level of
security, because it doesn't actually prevent sharing, it just makes it more of
a pain.
I have completed a site using Coldfusion. When a
On 11/8/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night I took care of the spaces in the category names. I'm just
replacing them in the JS, then putting them back in the CF function
(since the data has spaces, I need to have them there). Let me know if
it still doesn't work in Safari,
I have just transferred away from xtreme hosts, they were good to
start off with but there were just one too many unexplained outages -
plus they changed the way cfmail worked on the system without telling
anyone, the first I knew about it was an irate call from a client I
had hosted with them
Someone suggested using these variables as a key, but I'm not sure they are
unique enough.
- cookie
- his ip: CGI.HTTP_REMOTE_ADDR or if he's behind a proxy and the proxy
gives away his identity: CGI.HTTP_VIA.
- browser CGI.HTTP_USER_AGENT
I have completed a site using Coldfusion. When a user
On 11/8/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason I ask is that we currently do some development for sites that
use Oracle and are hosted on navy bases. We currently have a copy of
CFMX 6 Enterprise just for that purpose. We're upgrading to 7 and I'm
curious if we'd need to keep
Many thanks to Simeon Bateman and Sean Corfield for helping me solve
this :)
The problem was that I was requesting the other page from within a
cftransaction tag, and the isolation level was such that the page it
was requesting was blocked from hitting the table it needed until the
backend's
captcha may be an option, though probably not the best for a search feature:
http://www.alagad.com/
On 11/8/05, Protoculture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we would like to limit the amount of times a user may search/ie use our
search facility as we think that we may be under some kind of script
Only defense here really is to reformat - move data to new server and start
afresh.
Experience tells you that as soon as a machine gets infected it needs to be
reformatted;
You just don't know how many rootkits you may have etc...
This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The
Only defense here really is to reformat -
move data to new server and start
afresh.
Experience tells you that as soon as a machine gets infected it needs to be
reformatted;
You just don't know how many rootkits you may have etc...
This e-mail is from Reed
I 'Think' the changes recommended in here already exists on 7, but I am not
sure (I'm still on 6)
http://www.robisen.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=FD4BE2FC-55DC-F2B1-FED0717CC1C7E0AF
On 11/7/05, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had a problem today with the following message appearing in
Hello all,
I'm attempting to create a simple SMS gateway example for something I'm
working on. I'm trying to find a carrier that can be used to test this app
against. Has anyone worked with the SMS gateway and perhaps point me in the
direction of more information / example code? And does anyone
You could do it with LDAP
-Original Message-
From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2005 06:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AD integration with CF
I can't recall whether it is possible to enable AD integration when the web
server is not within the same office?
Example;
Or don't set any custom tag directories, and make people use CFIMPORT.
Way less problems.
cheers,
barneyb
On 11/8/05, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sandboxes :)
Hey all,
I've never had to administer a shared server with CF before and I'm curious
about how you can assign a custom
I don't know about CFAJAX but you can surely use AJAX with Safari 1.2 I believe.
Thanks
Qasim
On 11/8/05, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/8/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night I took care of the spaces in the category names. I'm just
replacing them in the
We got this to work in Safari. I just needed to escape the spaces with
the right character, and Sean helped me get it working.
-Original Message-
From: Qasim Rasheed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: cfQuickDocs
I
Hi guys,
I've got a number in one of my fields which has a decimal point. I
want to pull everything from the left of the point so I can use that
value separately for a drop down box for the £ value (pound sterling)
and to the right for the pence select box. I'm just wondering what
the
Anyone have any success creating code 128 barcodes within cfdocument?
What did you use? I found some fonts online, but they aren't working.
The specs talk about encoding; Anyone have a function to do the
encoding?
Anthony
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listFirst(string, '.')
listLast(string, '.') (or listRest(string, '.'))
?
On 11/8/05, Saturday (Stuart Kidd) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
I've got a number in one of my fields which has a decimal point. I
want to pull everything from the left of the point so I can use that
value
listFirst(value, .)
listRest(value, .)
-Original Message-
From: Saturday (Stuart Kidd) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:31 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Before and after decimals.
Hi guys,
I've got a number in one of my fields which has a decimal point. I want
cfset number = 12.34 /
cfset beforedec = floor(number) /
cfset after = number - beforedec /
On 11/8/05, Saturday (Stuart Kidd) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
I've got a number in one of my fields which has a decimal point. I
want to pull everything from the left of the point so I can use
listFirst, listRest, using . as the delimiter? That's what I'd use
in CF at least. If you want to do it in the DB, you'd have to do
something like left(value, find(., value) - 1) for the pounds, and
then the reverse for the pence.
cheers,
barneyb
On 11/8/05, Saturday (Stuart Kidd) [EMAIL
Thanks to everyone on their help! Perfect! :)
On 8 Nov 2005, at 21:27, Barney Boisvert wrote:
listFirst, listRest, using . as the delimiter? That's what I'd use
in CF at least. If you want to do it in the DB, you'd have to do
something like left(value, find(., value) - 1) for the pounds,
One of many many ways.
Pounds = listFirst(value,.)
Pence = listLast(value,.)
Ta Da!
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BloodSource
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Sacramento, CA
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Confidentiality Notice: This message including any
Unless it's a numeric field, in which case you'd want to use something
like these (MySQL, MSSQL, Oracle MSAccess, exceptions as noted):
FLOOR(value) for the pounds (Int(value) in MSAccess) -- beware the use
of FLOOR on negative values, though
value % 1 for the pence (MOD(value,1) in Oracle,
Just in my experience, I would generate a static jpg file for the barcode
and then embed it into the cfdocument.
You can use many of the image creation tools like image flare or in java
the alagad image component to make the static jpg file.
--
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Macromedia Certified Advanced
Matthew Walker wrote:
Won't this work?
SELECTshowId
FROM airdates
GROUP BY showId
ORDER BY AVG(rating)
Hmmm - that's an idea, but doesn't seem to want to work.
Here's the actual query below. (Vastly simplified)
SELECT
Airdates.rating,
Airdates.ShowID,
Hi everyone,
I have a question and I hope to get some suggestions on possible ways to
implement this problem.
The application in question is an ASP model, and has many clients over many
languages. The business sees the need to have labels for each client so they
can tailor the words used on menu
From: John C. Bland II
Selecting a combo, FF Beta 1, shows all of the functions for
that selection
(ex - selecting arrays show all array functions, etc). What
would be nice is
searching within the selected combo selection. Currently it
resets the como
every time I type. You prob
Good stuff Jacob...
On 11/8/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: John C. Bland II
Selecting a combo, FF Beta 1, shows all of the functions for
that selection
(ex - selecting arrays show all array functions, etc). What
would be nice is
searching within the selected combo
Is there something different to having a multi-instance service run under a
specific user besides local?
I've tried setting this to a different user and I get an error that the service
can not be restarted, it is not responding.
This is windows 2000 server and CFMX7.01 running in
Russ, that is pretty cool. However, since I'm in the states, I think
some of my clients may prefer to pay for their hosting in $ rather than
£. But, if you have the option to pay for accounts with $ that would be
absolutely awesome. Let me know.
Thanks,
--Anne
John C. Bland II wrote:
Oh
Thanks for the info. Since I'm relatively new to this, any information
based on personal experience is definitely welcome. =)
--Anne
John C. Bland II wrote:
Anne, I'm no hosting expert but I've done the reseller thing many times
over. In my experience most hosts don't have an automated
Wayne,
Thanks for the heads up. I've encountered some similar experiences with
other hosts which is part of the reason I moved over to a VPS solution.
I was tired of feeling like I had no control over CF and the server.
--Anne
Wayne Putterill wrote:
I have just transferred away from xtreme
The other concern is where are the servers located? It doesn't seem to be a
great idea to have a server outside of the states for a client in the
states, I could be wrong here though.
On 11/8/05, Anne Girardeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ, that is pretty cool. However, since I'm in the
Jordan,
What you offer definitely looks like an ideal solution for my purposes. I'll
check into it some more once I have the opportunity and let you know if I have
any questions.
Thanks again!
--Anne
Hi Anne,
Not only does Vivio Technologies offer CFMX 7 and/or BlueDragon JX 6.2
on our VPS
That's a good point and one that I also thought of.
John C. Bland II wrote:
The other concern is where are the servers located? It doesn't seem to be a
great idea to have a server outside of the states for a client in the
states, I could be wrong here though.
On 11/8/05, Anne Girardeau [EMAIL
Good news, I was able to get this working with a free barcode font I found at:
http://freebarcodefonts.dobsonsw.com/
the check code is a pain to calculate, but other than that it worked fine.
The other little trick is that the startcode is asc(353) and the
endcode is asc(339)
On 11/8/05, Alan
You could use barbecue:
http://barbecue.sourceforge.net/
It is pure java so it integrates with CF nicely - I wrote a small
wrapper function in Java to tie it in very closely but you could
install it as a servlet somewhere instead.
On 11/8/05, Alan Rother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just in my
I think a database is quite a bad idea as there could be tens or
hundreds of there localised items on a page. You wouldn't want to hit
the database that much just to display a page.
A resource bundle could be as simple or sophisticated as you want. I
generally just make one CFM file for each
Thanks for the feedback. That is a good point - we realize that some new
topics may come up before the conference and have left some spaces in
the schedule for that purpose. However many topics are the same year to
year or can be predicted ahead of time. Thanks to all the people who
have
I usually assemble my pages with a cfinclude header, menu, footer, etc.
But I figured it might be better to include the header.cfm in onRequestStart,
and footer.cfm in onRequestEnd to keep from spreading includes all over the
place.
This way they'd all be in one spot. Am I thinking right??
Depends on who you ask. That is an easy way to handle headers and footers in a
simple site, but it violates MVC principles, so if you are looking for a
cleanly separated View, you shouldn't go that route.
I generally don't bother with MVC for quick and dirty apps or mini-sites, but I
use a
Personally, I wouldn't put any display elements in application.cfc but
rather use it for app setup purposes (defining global variables,
initialising shopping carts, etc). If you wanted to have a different
page template on a page it might be a big hassle -- or one day you may
want a page that
Good points guys! Thanks!
Will
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Not familiar with MySQL so this may or may not be relevant.
Generally, everything you are selecting needs to appear in your group by
clause unless it is some kind of aggregation (note you can't have rating
in your select clause as you are averaging it). So it may help to remove
everything from
I can only say that I was able to run multiple instances, of the CF
Developer version, with a Windows domain account. I didn't have any
problems with restarting the service.
Are there any log entries that show the actual cause?
Does your account have the logon as a service permission?
If you
what concerns me about a Java RB (or any RB) is how we would expose that to
our clients to allow them to make their own labels. Is there an established
web app available to deal with this problem?
On 11/9/05, Matthew Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think a database is quite a bad idea as
I need some help with a regex problem.
Paging Ben Doom, and other regex Gods.:)
I need to change the src path in all img tags in a string.
IE
src=http://blahblah/blah/somefile.gif;
or
src=/blahblah/blah/somefile.gif
or
src=file:/blahblah/blah/somefile.gif
to
On 11/8/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This now works as you described. Select a tag category, then if you
type in the cf tag box it will filter the existing category list. Same
thing works for functions.
Not on Safari :)
http://www.techfeed.net/cfQuickDocs/?isDefined
or
There's a tool around for editing Java resource bundles, but I don't
think it's real pretty.
Alternatively, you could simply do it the old-fashioned database way,
but write out a cfml file as well which will maintain good performance
when reading the resource bundle. Or you could load the entire
Hi,
I have created an UDF in MS sql and I want to use it in coldfusion while
writing the query.
could you please tell me as how to use UDF of MS Sql in Coldfusion?
Thanks
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This is untested, but should work:
select *
from (
select shows.showId, shows.showTitle, (
select avg(rating)
from airdates
where showId = shows.showId
) as avgRating
) t
order by avgRating
cheers,
barneyb
On 11/7/05, Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just looking for
On 11/8/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I usually assemble my pages with a cfinclude header, menu, footer, etc.
But I figured it might be better to include the header.cfm in onRequestStart,
and footer.cfm in onRequestEnd to keep from spreading includes all over the
place.
This
Try this
reReplaceNoCase( string, 'src=.*?/([a-z]+\.[a-z]{3,})',
'src=#mypath#\1', all )
Havent tried it, but give it a go, might get you going.
Taco Fleur - Chief Executive Officer
Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au
an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 .
** Web
Thinking about that some more, the outer select should be unneeded.
Just move the ORDER BY to the first subquery and you should be good to
go. And add the missing FROM shows clause that I completely forgot.
select showId, showTitle (
select avg(rating)
from airdates
where showId =
What is it everyone looks for in a CRUD generator? I see some folks saying
they'd like to see best practices, some want getters/setters, and others
just want a function you pass everything too.
Just a little reserach...
--
John C. Bland II
I do what I can do when I can do it. - Chris Tucker,
I'll work with this tomorrow and let you know what happens. In the
real query, there's another 4 tables that data has to be filtered by
and selected from! It gets pretty wild looking..
Thanks for taking time to look at this...
Thinking about that some more, the outer select should be
If you have that much data why not create a view for each one then a view to
pull them together? That cut down on confusion.
On 11/8/05, Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll work with this tomorrow and let you know what happens. In the
real query, there's another 4 tables that data has to
Sorry...I hate mistakes:
That could cut down on confusion.
On 11/8/05, John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have that much data why not create a view for each one then a view
to pull them together? That cut down on confusion.
On 11/8/05, Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Based on my experience building custom, app-specific generators, what
I've liked, disliked, and considered...
A generator should be able to be rerun at arbitrary times and update
the CRUD part without affecting anything else. It should create beans
that have getters/setters for properties. It
I find subqueries really help this sort of thing, because they let you
break a complex problem down into smaller pieces that can be solved
(and tested!) individually. One of the best work days in the past
few years was when we upgrade to MySQL 4.1 and got subquery support.
Probably second only
MySQL doens't have view support until 5.0, and that's only been out
for a few weeks, so I'm going to wager he's probably not running it.
Lot of places still run 3.23 for some unknown reason. Using
subqueries in the FROM clause (which MySQL 4.1 supports) gets you down
that track to some extent,
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