Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carey Duryea ca...@keepingitgreen.net wrote: i dont' know what we are talking about funding No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about contributing time and effort to open source projects. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
i dont' know what we are talking about funding No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about contributing time and effort to open source projects. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View --

Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:34 PM, denstar wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM, James Holmes wrote: I hope you have your flameproof suit handy :-P Ah, the cleansing fire of a good library battle.  :) It's hot in here.  Normally

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Carey Duryea ca...@keepingitgreen.net wrote: and i was referring to that.  i am down to contribute my time and my limited abilities for the sheer learning experience it would be for me. and i think it would be very rewarding. and i'm just saying i would have

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
i dont' know what we are talking about funding No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about contributing time and effort to open source projects. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View --

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
LOL. I'm not kosher, so to speak. I just love language. Or something like that. :) There's been some effort in this area of bringing things together. There's that framework that can leverage like, a bunch of other frameworks, and those same heads ported Galleon and maybe some other stuff?

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Thornton
I could cover the cost of a VPS. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: LOL.  I'm not kosher, so to speak.  I just love language.  Or something like that.  :) There's been some effort in this area of bringing things together. There's that framework that can

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
I could cover the cost of a VPS. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: no i hear ya i had never heard that word before! but i'm down to cover version control hosting, using this thread forever might get redundent to haha but let me know what to do next i

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them to see what they've done

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them to see what they've done publicly... Rut-roh. Look man, I can explain! I had been

Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: Good to see a voice of reason in this debate. Thanx Judah! Macromedia was talking about the mobile market for years, Adobe has talked about the mobile market for a few years too. We might finally be seeing a deliverable with Flash Player

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Sounds swell. Guess we'd need a name, neh? :) My view of open source results in wanting buy-in-ness more than crush them-ness... Framework be a fighting word. :) Not sure how to tackle that other than supporting them all (at least potentially). Which is why we'd need a solid way to test

Conditional Forms

2010-05-06 Thread Ian Vaughan
Hi I am trying to create a web form with conditional form fields and was wondering the best way to do this with CSS and javascript? I am trying to get the form so when a user clicks 'yes' on question 1 it will show question 2, if they click no it will display the text 'please call ' The

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Carey Duryea ca...@keepingitgreen.netwrote: I'm thinking that this might be a good deal http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds of dollars and check out any

Re: Conditional Forms

2010-05-06 Thread Bryn Parrott
The short answer to your question is 'Yes', of course you can, and use javascript (probably best done with JQuery library) will give the best user experience although some might say Flash or Flex will do it better. In any case, using javascript, in principle, you have a number (10 in your

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Roger Austin
Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: A certificate doesn't say zip about whether you can get work done. The courses might be useful for the O.P. but they don't tell an employer anything so the certificate itself is worthless, IMO. As in most things, it depends. A certificate

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Gerald Guido
you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money There is a lot to be said for curriculum design, guided instruction and formal training. I am not interested in debating the merits of autodidactism and self guided learning as I am proponents of both BUT, a well designed

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Gerald Guido
On a practical note. I cannot say enough good things about the free courses offered by the Stanford Engineering Everywhere program http://see.stanford.edu/see/courses.aspx The Programming methodology course is a fantastic place to start learning programming.

CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
I can't seem to find anything concrete on this. Does the CF9 Developer Edition not come with Verity? I don't seem to have it. FWIW, this is a JRun multiserver installation, not standalone. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Jason Fisher
No, it comes with Solr, an instance of Lucene. From: Rob Barthle r...@barthle.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:56 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity? I can't seem to find anything concrete on this. Does

RE: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Andy Matthews
http://projects.apache.org/projects/solr.html -Original Message- From: Jason Fisher [mailto:ja...@wanax.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity? No, it comes with Solr, an instance of Lucene.

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
I can't seem to find anything concrete on this. Does the CF9 Developer Edition not come with Verity? I don't seem to have it. FWIW, this is a JRun multiserver installation, not standalone. Yes, it comes with Verity K2 and Apache Solr. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
No, it comes with Solr, an instance of Lucene. No, it comes with Verity and Solr. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Ian Skinner
On 5/6/2010 8:26 AM, Dave Watts wrote: I can't seem to find anything concrete on this. Does the CF9 Developer Edition not come with Verity? I don't seem to have it. FWIW, this is a JRun multiserver installation, not standalone. Yes, it comes with Verity K2 and Apache Solr.

Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-06 Thread John Morgan
It's all good, I've got a towel to sit on! :Den Well I guess that makes you a hoopy frood then! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Question about wddx

2010-05-06 Thread Monte Chan
Hi all, I am using CFwddx tag to create wddx packets and send them to a third party. This third party would do its thing and then send me back a wddx packet. In the wddx packet, the row count needs to be specified. In the case where the row count does not match the actual count of the

How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Jeff Gladnick
We have about 8 or 9 engineers and QA people working on a big cf application, all stored in SVN. The way we currently handle source control is at the outset of each mini-project, then one or two developers will branch the svn and work on that until they're done, then QA will merge the changes

RE: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Andy Matthews
That's pretty much how we handle it. We have a single branch that gets created at the beginning of each week, forked from the trunk. All minor changes get committed to that branch during the week, then merged into the trunk. When a new project is created, changes are committed to it, then

Change CFSELECT SELECTED value

2010-05-06 Thread Chad Baloga
I am trying to figure out how to make a selected value in a cfselect change based on other fields changing on the form. I have the cfselect binded to a function to load when the page loads, but need to change my selected value in that cfselect to change dynamically. Any ideas?

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
No, it comes with Solr, an instance of Lucene. No, it comes with Verity and Solr. Dave, not to argue, but I just undid and reinstalled the developer version as a standalone (finally getting rid of CF7). I got Solr installed, but Verity was not installed. In fact the installer application

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
Dave, not to argue, but I just undid and reinstalled the developer version as a standalone (finally getting rid of CF7). I got Solr installed, but Verity was not installed. In fact the installer application says Search services: not installed. And nowhere in the installation was I allowed

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Ian Skinner
On 5/6/2010 10:44 AM, Rob Barthle wrote: After all this, it sure doesn't look like the Developer Version installs Verity. And I need a license to download Verity from Adobe, which I don't have because I use Developer Edition. So I guess I am stuck? I'm afraid I'll have to agree with

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
To start with I have nothing left over from previous installs. Confirmed that before installing. Are you running on Windows or OS X? I am running on Snow Leopard. And I think there might be an issue with the OS X installer (32-bit) that could explain this. I opened the

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
Are you running on Windows or OS X? I am running on Snow Leopard. I suspect Verity is not available for OS X. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the

CFEXECUTE output Access Report

2010-05-06 Thread Stephen Hoskins
Im stuck here, and after all my years as a programmer, never have I been faced with this and on a shirt deadline. There is a pretty complex MS Access report that takes in an ID and outputs a report, how the heck can I get this to run online??? Im poking through cfexecute but no luck yet.

RE: Question about wddx

2010-05-06 Thread Brook Davies
No, as long as the wddx packet is still valid XML, it will serialize/deserialize fine Brook -Original Message- From: Monte Chan [mailto:monte_c...@sanctuarysoftwareonline.com] Sent: May-06-10 9:10 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Question about wddx Hi all, I am using CFwddx tag to

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
Are you running on Windows or OS X? I am running on Snow Leopard. I suspect Verity is not available for OS X. I know it's available for Unix. I would find it surprising to have a Unix port and not have an OS X port. Circling back to my prior post, do you have any insight to either of my

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
I know it's available for Unix. I would find it surprising to have a Unix port and not have an OS X port. Prepare to be surprised! Verity is available for Windows, Linux and Solaris. It's not available for BSD Unix, AIX, OS X, etcx.

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Kotek
Probably won't help right now, but for future reference, Git's branching and merging is like paradise compared to SVN. Might be worth thinking about trying on a future project. Brian On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Gladnick jeff.gladn...@gmail.comwrote: We have about 8 or 9 engineers

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
2. Can I manually install this verity.jar file? I have no experience in that arena, would need to be handheld through it. Verity itself uses native binaries. This jar is just for CF to talk to Verity. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/

Java or C# Package for Word to HTML conversion?

2010-05-06 Thread Tony Bentley
Anyone know of a good Word to HTML converter? I need it to strip everything down to valid HTML without header or body tags. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
Well... that blows. I guess I am stuck. :( Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
I could cover the cost of a VPS. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: no i hear ya i had never heard that word before! but i'm down to cover version control hosting, using this thread forever might get redundent to haha but let me know what to do next i

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Sounds swell. Guess we'd need a name, neh? :) My view of open source results in wanting buy-in-ness more than crush them-ness... Framework be a fighting word. :) Not sure how to tackle that other than supporting them all (at least potentially). Which is why we'd need a solid way to

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Ian Skinner
On 5/6/2010 1:17 PM, Rob Barthle wrote: Well... that blows. I guess I am stuck. :( Thanks. I'm not sure how flexible you are to get unstuck, but the Verity server does not have to be on the same system as the ColdFusion server. So if you have any ability to install Verity on some

Re: Java or C# Package for Word to HTML conversion?

2010-05-06 Thread Matthew Allen
I've used aspose.word for a much bigger project in the past. http://www.aspose.com/categories/java-components/aspose.words-for-java/default.aspx From: Tony Bentley cascadefreehee...@gmail.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010

Re: Java or C## Package for Word to HTML conversion?

2010-05-06 Thread Tony Bentley
I'm going to try Open Office jodconverter and see if it handles HTML well enough. Has anyone tried using it ? I found a little code but I'd bet someone already has a snippet that reads in and outputs whatever arguments you pass. I noticed it also works with command line...

RE: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott
No, this is not the best solution. It is the worst solution. All developers should be working in the trunk, when they finish their side project they then commit/merge that into the trunk. When you are ready to test/qa/release then you branch it off so it becomes the snapshot of what will be

RE: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott
Not having used Git how is it paradise? -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:brian...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 6:08 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories? Probably won't help right now, but for future reference, Git's

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread David McGuigan
I'd also be interested to know of this paradise. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Not having used Git how is it paradise? -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:brian...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 6:08 AM To: cf-talk

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread David McGuigan
Please do post the book title. Thanks! On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: No, this is not the best solution. It is the worst solution. All developers should be working in the trunk, when they finish their side project they then commit/merge that

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Kotek
Git has a number of advantages over SVN, personally I'd say Git is to SVN as SVN is to CVS. One of the main things is, it was built from the ground up for is non-linear development. It is insanely easy and fast to create a branch, work with it, and then merge it back to trunk (or another branch,

RE: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-06 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
You're a towel!! -Original Message- From: denstar [mailto:valliants...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:11 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:34 PM, denstar wrote:

RE: Search for any cffile... that is referencing any UNC path.

2010-05-06 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
+1 for Agent Ransack. I've used it every day since Charlie A pointed it out to me some time ago. A quick regex search would make light work of this. DW and CFEclipse could also do a regex search for you (although, MUCH slower than Agent Ransack) -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley

Is CFGRID in CF9 solid enough for heavy use for CRUD functionality?

2010-05-06 Thread Eric .
Playing with some CFGRID examples on ColdFusion 9, I noticed some major slowdown without a lot of records being loaded. Being on a locally hosted server off my workstation that concerned me even more. I have a lot of CRUD pages for various parts of a management system we're re-writing as a

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Wil Genovese
I keep hearing the myth about Git. The issue is not the tools for branching and merging, the issue is working with very large code repositories that are branching and moving forward in all the branches at a fast pace. It has to get merged together at some point and the fact that the code has

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Keeping in mind that the most widely attractive framework might not be the best fit, probably FW/1 or maybe ColdBox or CFWheels. People seem hyped for 'em. And they're swell! They do their jobs well. Personally, I like the whole XML deal MG has. I don't leverage it right, at all, but it is a

Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John Morgan wrote: It's all good, I've got a towel to sit on! :Den Well I guess that makes you a hoopy frood then! I'm so hip I can't see over my pelvis. ;) :Den -- These then are my last words to you. Be not afraid of life. Believe that life is worth

Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Bobby Hartsfield wrote: You're a towel!! Better than a bowl of petunias or being nekkid. Um... wanna go get high? :Den -- This life is worth living, we can say, since it is what we make it. William James

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Keeping in mind that the most widely attractive framework might not be the best fit, probably FW/1 or maybe ColdBox or CFWheels. People seem hyped for 'em. And they're swell! They do their jobs well. Personally, I like the whole XML deal MG has. I don't leverage it right, at all,

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Brian Kotek wrote: Git has a number of advantages over SVN, personally I'd say Git is to SVN as SVN is to CVS. Unlike CVS/SVN, SVN/Git are really different paradigms. Better to compare to Mercurial or some such, I reckon. One of the main things is, it was

Re: Is CFGRID in CF9 solid enough for heavy use for CRUD functionality?

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Eric . wrote: ... Am I just not customizing CFGRID well enough, or am I on to something you've realized as well? I don't know about cfgrid specifically, but the principal is sound, and works, and there are tricks to make it work better (splitting up some stuff

Re: CF9 Developer Edition and Verity?

2010-05-06 Thread Rob Barthle
If I could get my hands on a Windows binary, I could set it up on a virtual XP instance I have running through VMware Fusion. But it looks like Adobe won't let you download that without a CF license, and I don't possess one nor have the cash to plunk down to buy one. If there's a way around

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Hehe. Sanity is *such* a fun concept. And I have a love/hate relationship with labels, even if they're good ones, like sane. So... Yeehaw! =) If we were doing a framework, I'd say it would be important to be uniform, and stick to the framework, but what we're talking about (sorta-

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Kotek
It does for me. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: I keep hearing the myth about Git. The issue is not the tools for branching and merging, the issue is working with very large code repositories that are branching and moving forward in all the branches at

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: A certificate doesn't say zip about whether you can get work done. The courses might be useful for the O.P. but they don't tell an employer anything so the certificate itself is worthless, IMO. As in most things, it depends. A certificate

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Unless computers have gotten a *lot* smarter without my noticing (not impossible), I doubt it. =) :Den -- To spend life for something which outlasts it. William James On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Brian Kotek wrote: It does for me. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Wil Genovese wrote:

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Kotek
Sorry if you don't share my opinion. Honestly, I could care less. Since no one is adding anything of value at this point, I'll be heading out. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:53 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Unless computers have gotten a *lot* smarter without my noticing (not

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
A site for selling decks? Sweet! I was out skating yesterday for the first time in like years. :) It looks good too. Nice work! CFEclipse is still alive, and kick'n it, fer realz. :) I've got plenty of experience, but sometimes that gets in the way, so it shouldn't be valued /too/ much.

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Den, What do you mean by tracking system? Tracking what? hhahah i was thinking of creating a site to construct the community on at some point. first develop some core functionalities, and then basically set up a voting api that people can vote sugguestins to be developed and have sort

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Oh, crap! Brian, I didn't mean it like /that/! I was being 100% serious. I started using Git for our CFEclipse Git push, and then used it to add key bindings to EGit. The EGit stuff is the closest I've come to working with a large-ish team of other people on a Git stored project, and I see

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money There is a lot to be said for curriculum design, guided instruction and formal training. I am not interested in debating the merits of autodidactism and self guided learning as I am proponents of both BUT, a well designed

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott
The book is title Pragmatic Version Control - Using Subversion 2nd Edition. It might be updated by now as that was published in 2006. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:22 AM, David McGuigan davidmcgui...@gmail.comwrote: Please do post the book title. Thanks!

Re: How are other developers handling big SVN repositories?

2010-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott
That is why I asked, I have no problems managing branches and tags in SVN as it is now. Being able to switch to a branch and work with it and merge back to trunk when I am done. I was thinking the same thing, as that was the implication I was thinking that it handles all conflicts for you. I

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
YEAH! PEEP POWERS! =) A tracker to track the tracker, maybe? :) I'm down for whatever. What would you call such a site? What would the URL be? :Den -- Truth lives, in fact, for the most part on a credit system. Our thoughts and beliefs pass, so long as nothing challenges them, just as

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
YEAH! PEEP POWERS! =) A tracker to track the tracker, maybe? :) I'm down for whatever. What would you call such a site? What would the URL be? :Den -- Truth lives, in fact, for the most part on a credit system. Our thoughts and beliefs pass, so long as nothing challenges