Re:

2000-09-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
odd...I went to the address above and the admin page came back correctly...but your password was the same as mine, and all the settings were just like mine... [...] Seriously, though...have you made certain the ColdFusion services are running on your server? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is this a new HTML embedded virus?

2000-08-22 Thread Brandon Whitaker
info to trip SMTP virus scanners. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "It makes you feel so welcome to have a greeter like Papa Dave at the door. Kind of lik

Re: (OT) Feel like a dumbass

2000-07-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
I'm not gonna post an air cargo or Alyssa Milano question here. Well...at least THOSE are questions we could answer: 1.) 5000 pounds, give or take. 2.) Yes, but never on-camera. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in

Re: Quite simple, co

2000-07-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
, and this (or any other failure) would simply have discarded the whole query and inserted nothing - is this 'partial insert' a common behavior of ODBC drivers? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets.&qu

Re: pass variables

2000-07-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
of the loops in your current setup. A possible side benefit of this is that it'll create the variables for every row in the current query; of course, this might not be what you want, if your query is actually selecting a couple hundred rows... The rest of your output should remain the same. HTH

Re: You know what would be really cool?

2000-07-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
oders... They're stuck with FrontPage, They're stuck with FrontPage..." Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "It makes you feel so welcome to have

Re: searches failing...help.

2000-07-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
ercent sign, however: where knowledge = 'foobar%' Then the query would match 'foobar' AND 'foobarbaz'. At least, it's a percent sign in Oracle. I seem to recall having seen an asterisk used elsewhere, but I'm not certain. HTH... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used

Re: Testing Assignment

2000-07-10 Thread Brandon Whitaker
ray[2]*65536)+(ipArray[3]*256)+ipArray[4]; '#returnVar#' = returnIP; /cfScript cfSetting enableCFOutputOnly="no" Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla &q

Re: line break as delimiter

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
, and then looping over the array? Arrays are normally faster than lists, but the extra overhead in converting the list to an array negates any performance gains. Chris Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fuseware.com -Original Message- From: Brandon Whitaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent

Re: line break as delimiter

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
into an array at carriage returns, process each array element as a list. For his implementation, perhaps it's not the most efficient - it was simply offered as one solution. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing b

Re: Know where I can find Chr(*) definitions?

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Anyone know of anywhere I can find the definition for the Chr(*) stuff online? Only ones I know are Chr(10) and Chr(13). http://www.jimprice.com/ascii-0-127.gif Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing b

Re: contained in a list

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
let's say.. mynumber = 2 ans mylist = 2,67,34,52 cfIf listFind(myList,'2') = 0 ... You were very, very close. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "It ma

Uh-oh...

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Is anyone else getting duplicate messages again? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "It makes you feel so welcome to have a greeter like Papa Dave at the doo

Re: Oracle on Windows?

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
but I'd assume they would. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "It makes you feel so welcome to have a greeter like Papa Dave at the door. Kind of like what

Re: More than one Submit button

2000-07-06 Thread Brandon Whitaker
='mySubmitFunction(myFuseAction)' ...where 'mySubmitFunction' is a script which submits the form, using 'myFuseAction' as the variable which calls a particular fuseAction. HTH... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in

Re: line break as delimiter

2000-07-06 Thread Brandon Whitaker
uot; cfloop from="1" to="#arrayLen(resultArray)# index="i" option value="1" SELECTED#resultArray[i]#/option /cfloop /select I notice that you also have the same value (1) being input for all of your options, you might want to re-think that. :) HT

Re: Unsubscribe

2000-06-29 Thread Brandon Whitaker
is the surest option; it's not as if we'll be missing anything - aside from entertainment on par with the primate house at the local zoo. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozill

Re: Binary integers, IEEE Floating point numbers etc. - SOLVED!

2000-06-29 Thread Brandon Whitaker
/james/ ) for his unwitting assistance in this one - he wrote it as a VB prog, but it made a sweet translation to CFScript. (/me hears the sound of Programmers cringing at the very thought...) Source available if desired. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the

Binary integers, IEEE Floating point numbers, and premature baldness.

2000-06-28 Thread Brandon Whitaker
? TIA... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore "I'm sorry, I can't hear

Re: Binary integers, IEEE Floating point numbers, and premature baldness.

2000-06-28 Thread Brandon Whitaker
company. Thanks again for the pointer and advice, though. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

Re: Help with Frames

2000-06-26 Thread Brandon Whitaker
frameset rows="*,*,*" frame name="row1" src="foo.html" frame name="row1" src="foo.html" Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on

Re: Help with Frames

2000-06-26 Thread Brandon Whitaker
ining info for browsers without frame support. You can set the source of all frames to the same page without a problem, as you did in your demo code; of course, it'd kinda defeat the purpose, but that's your call. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same

Re: Stored Procedure

2000-06-22 Thread Brandon Whitaker
); Passing 1 (or nothing, as it's a default) would order by FOO, 2 orders by BAR, 3 orders by BAZ, etc. I've never worked with SQL Server, but I'm sure there must be something roughly analogous to this. HTH. HAND. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using

Re: Bad cfml.exe ???

2000-06-22 Thread Brandon Whitaker
sure that's the right thing to do. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore "I'

Re: Another question on performance -- better than lists?

2000-06-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
} WHEN THEY PRY IT FROM MY MOLTEN, SMOKING CPU!!!1! Hey, I was young...but really, anyone done any speed test on this sort of thing? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts,

Re: Duplicate messages

2000-06-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
As the guy said in Catch-22, "I see everything twice!" -David That's it. I'm re-tooling my database front end to track and thread auto-reposts based on how many times the HouseOfFusion footer appears at the bottom of the page... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "

Newsgroups?

2000-06-07 Thread Brandon Whitaker
to start 'em in the alt.* heirarchy, but let's not go there... ...Anyway, I was just wondering if this was something that someone had tried that Allaire smacked down, or if there's really so few people that access Usenet anymore that no one bothered... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Stored procedures and dynamic ORDER BY: answer(?) and question...

2000-06-06 Thread Brandon Whitaker
questions... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore "I'm sorry, I can'

Re: CF vs. Oracle Application Server

2000-06-06 Thread Brandon Whitaker
not downloading 100Mb of OAS via an Oracle FTP server that refuses to give xfer rates over 140 BITS per second, whether you're on a T1 or a 56k dialup. (our most reliable Oracle PL/SQL-based site here *still* runs off of Oracle WebServer 2.0.2 and Oracle 7.3.3) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: client mgmt on Oracle8i instead of MS Access

2000-05-31 Thread Brandon Whitaker
update from Allaire before you attempt this, or the LVisit date column in the CGlobal table will die horribly. It's available here: http://www.allaire.com/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=13202Method=FullCache=Off HTH! HAND! Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people

Re: Javascript question

2000-05-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
="self.focus()" The full dialogue on this, modal windows, and many other interesting JS-related topics can be found at: http://developer.irt.org/script/222.htm Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing

Re: tons of white space

2000-05-23 Thread Brandon Whitaker
t;yes" [content, tags, etc.] CFSetting enableCFOutputOnly="no" Downside to this: It will ONLY display content appearing between CFOutput and /CFOutput tags. That goes for anything you might CFInclude into the page as well, so take care. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: New Virus [loveBug copy] *.*

2000-05-20 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Internet Worm Look, just because Mr. Adkins doesn't play well with others, there's no reason to resort to name-calling. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozill

Re: css and coldfusion

2000-05-20 Thread Brandon Whitaker
with the order in which you specify the styles; if you specify a hover BEFORE the visited, 'visited' attributes will take precedence over 'hover' attribs. Try this order and see if it helps: a:link {attribs} a:visited {attribs} a:active {attribs} a:hover {attribs} HTH! HAND! Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL

Re: Kind Of Off Topic

2000-05-17 Thread Brandon Whitaker
I was hoping that nobody would notice my mistake - thanks for proving me wrong :-) Howie Actually, I wasn't doing it to point out a mistake so much as just passing along the (vaguely) amusing idea it inspired. No harm, no foul. ;) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get

Re: Will the last person leaving Cold Fusion please turn out the lights?

2000-05-17 Thread Brandon Whitaker
cf_timeMachine year="1982" irony="droll" Well, it was a good run, but I guess this pretty much wraps it for the PC. Not too many people are going to want to bother with it given that now they can get an Apple Lisa for about the same amount of money. /cf_timeMachine Bra

Re: You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?

2000-05-16 Thread Brandon Whitaker
. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: Slightly OT: Lighten things up a little

2000-05-16 Thread Brandon Whitaker
. }:) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?

2000-05-16 Thread Brandon Whitaker
variables keep them out of the address. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes a

Re: You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?

2000-05-16 Thread Brandon Whitaker
problem with anyone, anywhere, who would use cookies to store potentially-sensitive information. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censo

Re: Kind Of Off Topic

2000-05-16 Thread Brandon Whitaker
From there you can extrude the domain name and such. Extrude? Mental picture: large "Boss Tweed"-like character cranking a meat grinder labelled 'NSI', bags with prominent dollar-bill signs being fed into the top... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by

Re: Slightly OT: Lighten things up a little

2000-05-12 Thread Brandon Whitaker
ght to you courtesy of cf_randomSTQuote, a tag which someone may eventually write, mentioned here for the sole purpose of maintaining list topic integrity. Sorta. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets

Re: (VERY OT) Re: Slightly OT: Lighten things up a little

2000-05-10 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Hmmm .. but what would Brian Boitano do? cf_grin Let's just skate by that one... /cf_grin cf_beable You're on thin ice, here... /cf_beable Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." -

Re: Slightly OT: Lighten things up a little

2000-05-09 Thread Brandon Whitaker
-worthy language, just so you'd feel comfortable with it. - DON'T confuse Oracle TO_DATE() format codes with CF Date Format codes. - Have a bumper sticker reading 'WWBFD'. - CFInclude stylesheets. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dr

Re:

2000-05-09 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Where is the best place to find custom tags? Allaire's dev area is still the best I've run across for that sort of thing. You might also check Lewis Sellers' IntraFoundation.com site, depending on what kind of search you're looking for. HTH... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "

Re: Microsoft MSDN Bug

2000-05-03 Thread Brandon Whitaker
and then i said "WOW THATS THE BEST CF SECRET EVER" and we went out for sodas! Orbitz. Bye! HAND! Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The

Re: Thank you for choosing Smart Web Tech .............

2000-05-03 Thread Brandon Whitaker
what have I learned from this thread? good points, but snipped Could we possibly remove intolerance from the list? So what you're saying is, you can't tolerate intolerance? :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in

Re: Technical Documentation

2000-04-28 Thread Brandon Whitaker
- must get sleep . Found elsewhere: SLEEP (slep) n. A hopelessly inefficient and inadequate substitute for caffeine. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The

Re: unsubscribe

2000-04-27 Thread Brandon Whitaker
usubscribe Indeed, I do. Do u? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: HEY! Have I been swindled?

2000-04-27 Thread Brandon Whitaker
But Are UTTERLY ANAL About Their Reports) to design the reports as they want them to appear, thus freeing you to do more important things. Like getting Freeman out of Black Mesa again, for instance. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dr

Re: Very, Very weird problem

2000-04-27 Thread Brandon Whitaker
ch of them individually to make sure they're returning the proper data? (i.e. WHERE Students.ID = #ID#)... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censor

Re: What happened to this list?

2000-04-26 Thread Brandon Whitaker
I just got one thing to say, "How's the family?" Sharon "the Hammer" DiOrio At 02:40 PM 4/24/2000 -0400, Olive, Christopher M Mr USACHPPM wrote: hey, who was asking for a Sicilian CF developer? are you insulting my people? Hey, paisan, nothin' but respect from this end. :) Brandon 'The Geek'

Re: What happened to this list?

2000-04-25 Thread Brandon Whitaker
It could be a she. cf_misogynist Nah. A 'she' wouldn't have stopped with disparaging remarks about job performance. }:) /cf_misogynist Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts,

Re: What happened to this list?

2000-04-25 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Isn't it a little backwards to write M$ code in a Unix editor??? Justin Kidman DINGDINGDINGDING!!! Give that boy a cigar! Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts,

Re: Able Commerce knock-off

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
you to your regularly-scheduled Mozilla-thrashing. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: What happened to this list?

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
d, in some way, might put you on the same moral level as him. This isn't the case, I assure you. This person, and anyone like him, is a threat to the community we have set up. HE chose this road; you're not burning his privacy, your helping the rest of us maintain our OWN privacy. Respectfully

Re: Cfhttp error?? help?

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
the site, CFHTTP won't be able to, either. If you can reach the site from your server's console, does your server use a HTTP Proxy? If so, that proxy address:port needs to be specified in the CFHTTP tag. Other than that, it seems to work just fine HTH. HAND. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL

Re: New Public Beta Release of exciting new automatic FORM CREATION tag!

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
Hello, HI!!! I am excited to announce snip I am equally excited to announce your arrival in MY BRAND-SPANKING NEW KILLFILTER!!! You're ##1!!! (note careful use of TWO pound signs!) How about a custom tag for THAT function? CF_Plonk regex="Br(ian|ay)" prejudice="EXTREME&quo

Re: Proper Case?

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
an that, I believe you have to lowercase the entire string, then loop through it and cap the first letter after each space... HTH.... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts,

Re: Question about Netscape

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
plain ol' HTML? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: SQL.LIKE question

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
)#) OR (txBody LIKE #PreserveSingleQuotes(sql_search_string)#) OR (vchDesc LIKE #PreserveSingleQuotes(sql_search_string)#) HTH...HAND. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." -

Re: What happened to this list?

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
could be found for the offender... Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: Database Failover

2000-04-24 Thread Brandon Whitaker
be irrelevant (to the CF server, anyway...) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: Able Commerce knock-off

2000-04-23 Thread Brandon Whitaker
our intent incorrectly, or did you just attain Zen-like balance by perfecting a 1-to-1 foot/mouth ratio? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censor

Re: Help with grabbing data

2000-04-23 Thread Brandon Whitaker
in a four-state area from NOAA's website. (scrape a screen, increment the date, use a javascript timer to submit the form back to itself with the new valuesetc. etc. etc...) To paraphrase something I read elsewhere: It's all about choosing the proper wrench to pound in the correct screw. Brandon

Re: How do I carry an Array over to another page? - HELP!!!!

2000-04-23 Thread Brandon Whitaker
it as a URL variable. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.&

Re: OT Javascript Detection

2000-04-23 Thread Brandon Whitaker
situation because the entire page was loading into a frame (one column, 100%, no border...), so the index with the 'frameset' created the cookie, then the page loading into the frame detected it. Kludged, but effective. HTH. HAND. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the

Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

2000-04-20 Thread Brandon Whitaker
"The World". "You are in a maze of twisty little message threads, all different..." Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interpr

Re: Who Said netscape is dead as for People dressed in black wearing berets.....

2000-03-31 Thread Brandon Whitaker
"A browser's beauty, at its heart, is its usefulness as a *TOOL*." Good Gdd Mn!!! Its Dave Watts everywhere :-) Now... off to list my beret on Ebay. Actually, that's not me. I think it's Brandon Whitaker. I never use all caps. Hey, only ONE word there was all caps

Re: CFSCRIPT

2000-03-29 Thread Brandon Whitaker
...and so on and so forth. I use it for as much procedural code as I can; it's got all the looping functions, case/switch functionality, and (to the eye of this long-time Perl junkie), it's a lot cleaner. :) HTH. HAND. Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the

Re: CFSCRIPT

2000-03-29 Thread Brandon Whitaker
proper number, 752. RUN ONCE: The cfScript method: 485 milliseconds. The cfLoop query method: 141 milliseconds. RUN 10 TIMES: cfScript method average: 212 milliseconds. cfLoop query method: 138 milliseconds. *sigh* live and learn. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used b