Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-20 Thread Marc Campeau
Get the Gang of Four book on patterns for OO development, peek under the covers of FB, Mach II, etc. and see how things work. Yup, good advice! While you guys are giving advice might I ask if anyone can recommend books/websites which would take a case study approach behind the creation of an

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Sam Farmer
In addition to others mentioned I have found this site to be very useful: http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/index.htm Personally I don't like Fusebox and have been trying out other MVC implementations before deciding on one to go forward with. Thanks, Sam [Todays Threads] [This Message]

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Calvin Ward
What specifically don't you like about fusebox? -Calvin -Original Message- From:Sam Farmer Date:7/19/04 10:36 am To:CF-Talk Subj:Re: ColdFusion and MVC model... In addition to others mentioned I have found this site to be very useful: http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/index.htm

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread d.a.collie
Hey Sam, I like the Benorama approach too.Just done some small fry stuff on it though. Mach-ii kinda scares me tho :-/I found it a little hard to get into and kinda gave up as got limited RD time at the moment. Should I persist with it? -- dc [Todays Threads] [This Message]

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Sean Corfield
Calvin asks the question that must never be asked... ;) - Original Message - From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specifically don't you like about fusebox? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| -Original Message- | From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 17:09 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: ColdFusion and MVC model... | | Calvin asks the question that must never be asked... ;) Oh, I love watching an occasional flame-war -- great entertainment

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Sean Corfield
Mach-ii kinda scares me tho :-/I found it a little hard to get into and kinda gave up as got limited RD time at the moment. Should I persist with it? Depends. If you want to learn OO and can find the time to do that then you'll be able to take advantage of Mach II. If you're not up to speed

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Robert Munn
I'll take the bait since I use Fusebox but I am not, as they say in the world of politics, a true believer. Fusebox, IMHO, is a little slow if you use it without modification to the core files. There are tradeoffs with any approach, and one of the tradeoffs of Fusebox is sacrificing some speed

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Barney Boisvert
not for everyone.It's also got a steeper learning curve. Cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and MVC model... I'll take the bait since I use Fusebox but I am not, as they say

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Robert Munn
I think you'd find a lot of the issues have been resolved with FB4.The speed issue is gone, as are layouts (though you can still use them, if you want).I still use FB3 every day (using a slightly modified core file), and it's great.FB4 is way better.I still haven't really found a reason to modify

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Calvin Ward
, July 19, 2004 5:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and MVC model... I'll take the bait since I use Fusebox but I am not, as they say in the world of politics, a true believer. Fusebox, IMHO, is a little slow if you use it without modification to the core files. There are tradeoffs with any

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Calvin Ward
I am a brave man! - Calvin _ From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and MVC model... Calvin asks the question that must never be asked... ;) - Original Message - From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-19 Thread Sean Corfield
I'll take the bait since I use Fusebox but I am not, as they say in the world of politics, a true believer. That's OK, I've said my fair share of bad things about Fusebox in the past ;) Fusebox, IMHO, is a little slow if you use it without modification to the core files. If you think FB3 is

ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Marco Antonio C. Santos
Hi... Please, do you have any tips, tutorials or examples about how to use MVC with CF? JSP haves Struts. And CF? How to separate Code from Presentation? This all for (my) code reuse... Thanx [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations

RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Sandy Clark
Antonio C. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion and MVC model... Hi... Please, do you have any tips, tutorials or examples about how to use MVC with CF? JSP haves Struts. And CF? How to separate Code from Presentation? This all for (my

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Hi... Please, do you have any tips, tutorials or examples about how to use MVC with CF? JSP haves Struts. And CF? How to separate Code from Presentation? This all for (my) code reuse... Thanx In addition to Fusebox, which Sandy Clark recommends, there are also several other frameworks.

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Marco Antonio C. Santos
Thanx Sandy and S. Isaac Dealey. OnTap Framework looks like nice... On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:11:01 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi... Please, do you have any tips, tutorials or examples about how to use MVC with CF? JSP haves Struts. And CF? How to separate Code from

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Sean Corfield
None of them will force you to use an MVC approach, but all of them offer structure for reusing your code. Mach II comes closest to forcing you to use MVC since it is a direct implementation of the MVC pattern. You write your business logic as CFCs (the model). You write your presentation as

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Thanks Sean -- that's a great, concise comparison! :) None of them will force you to use an MVC approach, but all of them offer structure for reusing your code. Mach II comes closest to forcing you to use MVC since it is a direct implementation of the MVC pattern. You write your business

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Thanx Sandy and S. Isaac Dealey. OnTap Framework looks like nice... I got one! heh :) Thanks Marco, I appreciate that. There is also an onTap framework mailing list on the houseoffusion site and of course, you can always email me if you have any questions. :) s. isaac dealey954.927.5117 new

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Marco Antonio C. Santos
I'll be there... S.Isaac... I'll be there In addition Blackstone will give us any tool to work with OO in native mode like onTap, Struts, FB and so on? Thanks once more again... On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:21:18 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanx Sandy and S. Isaac

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I'll be there... S.Isaac... I'll be there In addition Blackstone will give us any tool to work with OO in native mode like onTap, Struts, FB and so on? Thanks once more again... Offhand I'm not sure what (if any) additional or modified CFC or OO features will be included in the

Re: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Sean Corfield
In addition Blackstone will give us any tool to work with OO in native mode like onTap, Struts, FB and so on? Like what? CFMX already has CFCs that OO frameworks like Mach II to exist. As Isaac points out, Fusebox and onTap are not OO frameworks (although onTap provides some enhanced stuff