My order from Amazon, as of this morning, still says anticipated arrival of
June 2 - June 4, 2005.
Having said all that, what's with the Amazon ship date? I ordered two copies
of the first one!
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Having said all that, what's with the Amazon ship date? I ordered two copies
of the first one!
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Very good point
Your behind the ball already. ColdFusion MX 7 Cumulative Hot Fix 1 is already
out:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=fd71533
As for book money, no one writes books for the money. Its just not there. You
write books to write books and provide a service.
I ordered my
I am quite familiar with the lack of income from writing books. I have done a
few in the automotive genre. That was where my question was coming from. My
observation is that the CF community is getting quite a service in exchange for
a pittance going into the pockets of an author such as Forta.
I would love to know how much Ben makes on a per book sold basis.
Far less than you might think. Considering the time involved, the years of
support in the forms of questions from readers, and so on ... I'd make
much more per hour flipping burgers.
Believe me, no one writes tech books for the
Hey, now that I think of it, I LOSE money on the books. I should claim the
hours involved as a tax deduction! ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I am quite
I know of someone who did and still makes a pretty penny from it.
Wrote some books on cisco, some of which are used in colleges.
However he does make far more off the training he does, but the books
were a great help in getting him in that position in life.
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:09:04 -0500,
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Hey, now that I think of it, I LOSE money on the books. I should claim
the hours involved as a tax deduction! ;-)
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self-publish?!?!
What am I missing?
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I would love to know how much Ben makes on a per book sold basis.
Far less than you might
Great, now everyone can blame me for the fact that you have quit writing books
because I brought this little tidbit to your attention!!!
Hey, now that I think of it, I LOSE money on the books. I should claim the
hours involved as a tax deduction! ;-)
of understanding...why wouldn't you want to
self-publish?!?!
What am I missing?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I would love to know how much Ben makes on a per book
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even
posting books/chapters/examples online in a subscription service,
I still don't understand why you don't by-pass the traditional publishing
process and publish online.
A language and/or technology is not seen as 'real' unless there is a
, for the sake of understanding...why wouldn't you want to
self-publish?!?!
What am I missing?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I would love to know how much Ben makes on a per
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I would love to know how much Ben makes on a per book sold basis.
Far less than you might think. Considering the time involved
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom, either.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I dunno, I am not 100% on board on that e-book/pdf thing
: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even
posting books/chapters/examples online in a subscription service,
I still don't understand why you don't by-pass the traditional publishing
process
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom,
either.
I'm not sure if the bathroom is a great place to read tech books tho.
:P I generally prefer to devote more attention to the book.
s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without
Mike,
Use a PDA to read the PDF while in the WC and everything is AOK.
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom, either.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK
Yeah...those books are usually thick enough to stop
an arrow or even a bullet... ;o)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Plus they make a good defense weapon if ever
, March 25, 2005 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom, either.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK
Got everything but the WCwater closet?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Mike,
Use a PDA to read the PDF while in the WC and everything is AOK
The bathroom is the place for having a look at the sections
you want to just take a little swipe at. ;o)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: S.Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
It's not always
.
No sufficient reasons have been brought forward to not go the digital route.
What are the behind the scenes reasons?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Got
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom, either.
Sure it is, with the right equipment. Here's what I use:
http://www.dynamism.com/u71/
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our
And Ben's books have great re-sale value too.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I dunno, I am not 100% on board on that e-book/pdf thing. Personally, I
like having
Because you still can't easily take a computer into the bathroom.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
It's not always feasible to take a PDF to the bathroom, either.
Sure it is, with the right equipment. Here's what I use:
http
-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
But seriously...come on, Ben, fess up...if I were considering publishing
books (certainly not on CF...I'm still on 4.5.2 :o), why wouldn't
I want to opt
How dare you resell Ben's books? Blasphemy! :)
Ray
At 11:33 AM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
And Ben's books have great re-sale value too.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Got everything but the WCwater closet?
Rick
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-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I dunno, I am not 100% on board on that e-book/pdf thing. Personally, I
like having Ben's lineup of books all bound up nicely sitting
is current.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
But seriously...come on, Ben, fess up...if I were considering publishing
books (certainly not on CF...I'm still on 4.5.2
And you don't even have to get that pricey - a $150 pocket PC
will also let you view PDFs (although I prefer a real eBook
format like LIT or OpenBook
- they work much better across different sized devices).
I do pretty much all of my reading on my handheld now (except
for comics where
Amazon
Because you still can't easily take a computer into the bathroom.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people spend way
too much time in the bathroom if you are worried about being able to
run the code samples from the WACK in there on your mini computer
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:27:49 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And you don't even
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
And Ben's books have great re-sale value too.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people
spend way too much time in the bathroom if you are worried
about being able to run the code samples from the WACK in
there on your mini computer
I am a firm believer in multitasking!
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Michael pretty much already answered that. If nothing else, a book on
the shelf adds credibility to the language/technology. Seen any books
on Zope on the shelves
Michael pretty much already answered that.
Micheal gave answers that make sense within the print paradigm,
not without...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
And you don't even have to get that pricey - a $150 pocket PC
will also let you view PDFs (although I prefer a real eBook
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people spend way
too much time in the bathroom if you are worried about being
: Ordering WACK from Amazon
The searching is the only thing I would like about an eBook. I am
just one of those people that when reading something I prefer it not
be on a monitor screen but on paper and printing out hundreds of pages
on my own printer does not sound like fun
..
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
The searching is the only thing I would like about an eBook. I am
just one of those people that when reading something
Unfortunately, it's where some of us do our best thinking! :P
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people spend
WACKing in the bathroom is probably not something we need to discuss
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people spend way
too much time in the bathroom if you are worried about being able to
run the code samples from the WACK in there on your mini computer
On Fri, 25 Mar
Yea, coffee out the nose! I haven't one of those in a while!
At 12:46 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
WACKing in the bathroom is probably not something we need to discuss
Perhaps I am wrong on this, but I really think you people spend way
too much time in the bathroom if you are worried
...no where
we might find them, I don't know... :o)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I like to read on paper because I find I get less headaches and
distractions when
need to integrate purchased digital books into that mix..
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
The searching is the only thing I would like about an eBook
-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even posting
books/chapters/examples online in a subscription service, I still don't
understand why you don't by-pass the traditional publishing process and
publish online.
You can publish a chapter
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
I dunno, I am not 100% on board on that e-book/pdf thing. Personally, I
like having Ben's lineup of books all bound up nicely sitting right here on
my shelf. The convenience is worth it, IMO. I would think that print would
make Ben's exposure
).
There I said it!
-Original Message-
From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Great, now everyone can blame me for the fact that you have quit writing
books because I brought this little tidbit
10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Given the technological tools such as e-books, pdf, and even posting
books/chapters/examples online in a subscription service, I still don't
understand why you don't by-pass the traditional publishing process and
publish online.
You can
25, 2005 3:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Very good point. And that is the primary reason for me to write the CF books
specifically. They give me the credibility to do what I do, personally as
well as for Macromedia.
--- Ben
-Original Message-
From: Ray
Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
When you say, Distribution, what do you mean?
Physical distribution of the book to locations? If so, that becomes a mute
issue with online distribution
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Rick,
By distribution I mean corporate sales (yep, publishers have
sales people who sell lots of books to organizations
Connections...ok...and what is Safari?
And how has the electronic sales venture worked out?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ordering WACK from Amazon
Rick,
By distribution I mean corporate
Safari is O'Reilly Network's online library of books.
http://safari.oreilly.com/
George
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