Evryone seems to be making huge assumptions about Adobe's intentions.
It's fairly obvious that Flash is one of their subjects of interest,
but other than the very general indications in the press release, we
dont know what Adobe wanted Macromedia FOR.
Suppose they've had a debate in their board
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no need to compete with Microsoft.
Both companies haven't really got competing products sold as so, and
while I see it mentioned a lot, Avalon is not a foundation for RIA
development. Avalon is merely the new surrounding framework for graphics
(vectorized),
PDFs are Postscript. They are actually the native file
format for Illustrator files.
That isn't quite true. PostScript files have a .PS extention and require
some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn them into a .PDF file.
Illustrators native file format is .AI which is a variation
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
PDFs are Postscript. They are actually the native file
format for Illustrator files.
That isn't quite true. PostScript files have a .PS extention and require
some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn them into a .PDF file.
Illustrators native file
Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now
have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites
better. CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a
programmer but wants to use cfinclude so his menu only has to
exist in one file.
Tres funny.
Of course, the first products to get combined are going to be
Freehand and Illustrator...
http://imghost.eatshirt.com/snazzo/frustrator.jpg
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-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 09:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now
have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make
The extension does not determine the file type directly.
PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF
format, but whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...
While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a .PS Illustrator
won't open it any more and nor
James Smith wrote:
That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
!--#include file=filename.html --
Can be done for free on almost any Apache server ;-)
If you want to go minimalistic just use HTML to include the menu:
object type=text/html data=menu.html
a
Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are just mappings.
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 09:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
The extension does not determine the file type directly.
PDF 's
]
Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Abril de 2005 15:40
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
HS+ is alive and well on my machine :)
On 4/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/18/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note: Homesite+ is already dead.
- Calvin
You're a Mac user aren't you?
Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are
just mappings.
The extension does not determine the file type directly.
PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but
whatever way you look at it they are PostScript
Am I bollox.
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 10:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
You're a Mac user aren't you?
Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are
just mappings.
The extension does
)
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Sent: 19 April 2005 10:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Am I bollox.
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 10:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
You're a Mac user aren't
it - is this a ColdFusion template or an HTML template? I think you will
find it is the former
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 10:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Then how come you are having so much dificulty grasping this simple
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no need to compete with Microsoft.
Since you asked I'll go ahead and correct you, at least from my perspective
which is based on what I've heard, seen, and where I see things going. ;-)
Both companies haven't really got competing products sold as so, and
They are yes BUT ONLY VISUALLY - the data in each is exactly the same.
That is like saying that gifs and jpgs are the same because they appear the
same in your graphics editor, they just look different when opened in note
pad!
I fully understand PostScript - I am not arguing that point -
I
LOL, indeed...lets agree to disagree...go check out Adobe..
PDF's are postscriptalbeit underneath ;-)
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 12:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
They are yes
I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
can we only call it a
I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
can we only call it a
extensions
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
And on IIS!
That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
!--#include file
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
The extension does not determine the file type directly.
PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files
Thank you..I am not saying they are .PS PostScript but more that they
are - PostScript beneath the hoodno arguments.
;-)
-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 14:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
-Original
Jim Davis wrote:
PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but
whatever
way you look at it they are PostScript files...
True - but more exactly they could be called Postscript Plus since while
the pure data may be postscript PDFs contain more than just postscript
4:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now
have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites
better. CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a
programmer but wants to use
]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even
understand the concept of a web server.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories,
Inc. | Web Developer
:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even
understand the concept of a web server.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories,
Inc. | Web Developer
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the
first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized
back in the mid-90's.
As a graphic designer, I know
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Yah, and i have to agree as well.. I was a graphic
: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even understand
the concept of a web server.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle
-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the
first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized
back in the mid-90's.
As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all
of them have
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-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_
though.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
you suck, get over it :)
jk.
and im
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ majority of people
who use dreamweaver are graphic designers who can't even write HTML.
Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and why it's so popular
Is a rose by any other name still a rose???...I know I don't care.now
shh or move this thread plz ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_
majority of people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers
who can't
deal with my dog's epilepsy.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the first to
embrace the web when
So you used to work for Allaire?
;)
J
On 4/19/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lol, I'd say that you are not the normal designer though...that was my
point. Anyway I'll move on.
As for my job, my company got sold (again). This is the 3rd time in
like 4 years. 2nd time in the
:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_
majority of people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers
who can't even write HTML. Thats why
Looks real.
http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2005/adobe_macromedia.html
Someone in the office just quipped Guess FireWorks will get the
magnetic lasoo tool
On 4/18/05, Kym Kovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The macromedia Home Page looks interesting..
Oops :X
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
-Original Message-
From: Jon Austin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: maandag 18 april 2005 9:02
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
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Say goodbye to Freehand then. Just as Coldfusion Studio was absorbed into
Dreamweaver when Macromedia purchased Allaire, it is highly unlikely that
Adobe will continue to produce both Illustrator and Freehand. We might even
find Fireworks absorbed into Photoshop...
--
Jay
-Original
And GoLive absorbed into Dreamweaver.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
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Yep, say goodbye to...
Freehand, Fireworks, Homesite etc
It is not a good omen for CF.
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 April 2005 09:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Say goodbye to Freehand then. Just as Coldfusion
Interesting times ahead.
There are going to be a lot of unhappy people all round when they start
dumping/merging competing products from either of the company's
portfolios. (I just hope GoLive gets the bin treatment)
I'm surprised that the monopolies commission (or whatever its called in
Wow, this is just totally surreal. Had a complete out-of-body experience there
for a few minutes. The perspectives and consequences are just mind-boggling..
And not necessarily all bad.
Adobe ColdFusion
Adobe JRun
Adobe Flex
Adobe Dreamweaver
Heh. The thought makes my head spin. I wonder
I'm NOT excited about putting:
Powered by Dried Mud
ON ANYTHING!
But that's another issue... :)
J
On 4/18/05, Jack Dalaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, this is just totally surreal. Had a complete out-of-body experience
there for a few minutes. The perspectives and consequences are just
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 10:26 am, Jack Dalaa wrote:
Adobe ColdFusion
It's true Adobe don't have a app server in their list of products, so I
*imagine* CF is safe. I hope.
Some sort of statement would be good.
I've never like Adobe's tools, and I can't imagine they'll want to make a
decent IDE
They probably want dump. The better than to do is to sell the product to small
more focused organization. In other words, It's time for the Allairs of the
world to step back in, take these products with very slow and incremental
upgrade cycles and reenergize them.
Dwayne D. Cole, MBA
Thomas Chiverton wrote:
Incidentally, it looks more like a takeover of MM by Adobe, looking at the
board make-up etc.
PDF FAQ http://snipurl.com/abodemacromediaFAQ
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Great say goodbye to flash paper...
Adam H
On 4/18/05, Stephen Moretti (cfmaster) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Chiverton wrote:
Incidentally, it looks more like a takeover of MM by Adobe, looking at the
board make-up etc.
PDF FAQ http://snipurl.com/abodemacromediaFAQ
Talk about canned answers heh
search for this
Adobe and Macromedia are committed to serving the needs of our
combined customers. The companies are largely complementary, and thus
the amount of competition between us is limited. Post closing, we
believe the industry will remain as dynamic and
That's got to be on their hitlist, must break the MM developers hearts
-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 April 2005 11:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Great say goodbye to flash paper...
Adam H
On 4/18/05, Stephen Moretti
It is too early (and too dangerous for your organization) for making
assumptions which products will live or stop to exist. Let's hope Adobe
doesn't make Spectra decisions damaging businesses in a serious way
and it respects their customers and user base.
Ofcourse you will see more integration,
Time will tell. I wonder what the name might be ... Macrobe ?
the name is in the PDF
What will be the name of the combined company?
Adobe Systems Incorporated.
Adam H
On 4/18/05, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is too early (and too dangerous for your organization) for making
It is too early (and too dangerous for your organization) for making
assumptions which products will live or stop to exist. Let's hope Adobe
doesn't make Spectra decisions damaging businesses in a serious way
and it respects their customers and user base.
This is 100% true the actual
I personally would not care much about Flash paper either. PDF has much
more potential when you look at forms, security, workflow, portability,
notes, and the open format. A bit harsh, but I think Macromedia should
not have tried to reinvent the wheel with Flash paper while PDF was
increasing
Flash paper is lightwieght and fast loading. Its very nice for
presenting unsecure information on the web. I would not be suprised if
both survive...after reading most of the PDF they are dissimular
enough for both products to have a place in Adobe.
Adam H
On 4/18/05, Micha Schopman [EMAIL
Let's hope so :-)
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 18 April 2005 5:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
And GoLive absorbed into Dreamweaver.
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Heh, I never even said hello.
I think I'm going to reinstall CF Studio 4.5 just so I can have some
Allaire back in my life. Ah, those were the days, back before their
stock took a dump...
Pete
On 4/18/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great say goodbye to flash paper...
Adam H
I predict a new tag
cfpsd
Oh dear.
Kevin.
-Original Message-
From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Heh, I never even said hello.
I think I'm going to reinstall CF Studio 4.5 just so I can
http://tinyurl.com/dhg3f
g
--- On Monday, April 18, 2005 3:57 AM, Kym Kovan scribed: ---
The macromedia Home Page looks interesting..
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Even better
Ben Forta's new book, Photoshop CS2 in 21 days
Kevin.
-Original Message-
From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I predict a new tag
cfpsd
Oh dear.
Kevin.
-Original
W...T...F
On 4/18/05, Stephen Moretti (cfmaster) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Chiverton wrote:
Incidentally, it looks more like a takeover of MM by Adobe, looking
at the board make-up etc.
PDF FAQ http://snipurl.com/abodemacromediaFAQ
Or the Coldfusion CS WACK. Maybe that's the underlying motive here. MX is
s much cooler sounding than CS.
-e
-Original Message-
From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Even better
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 12:08 pm, Mark Smyth wrote:
That's got to be on their hitlist, must break the MM developers hearts
Unless FlashPaper becomes sort of PDF-lite for displaying PDF documents in a
web browser without the hassle of loading up the full blown Acrobat.
--
Tom Chiverton
Homesite has been gone...
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Yep, say goodbye to...
Freehand, Fireworks, Homesite etc
It is not a good omen for CF
in the first place.
I really fear this type of change.
--Ferg
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I personally would not care much about Flash paper either. PDF has much
more
The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related. It is the set of extensions in Acrobat which makes PDF look
like a fat pig. The PDF format has potential, but lacks good software
for mobile devices.
For phones, I don't give PDF nor Flash paper any good chances on the
It is interesting that Adobe stock is down and Macromedia stock is up as of
10:12 am. I thought this would be bad for Macromedia and good for Adobe, but
apparently the stock holders don't think so.
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The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related. It is the set of extensions in Acrobat which makes PDF look
like a fat pig. The PDF format has potential, but lacks good software
for mobile devices.
The rendering software is huge bulky and slow b/c of the PDF
I love itthey sue each other...then merge!!!and I finally thought MM
was getting CF heading in the right direction...now what???
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
I personally would not care much about Flash paper either. PDF has much
more potential when you look at forms, security, workflow, portability,
notes, and the open format. A bit harsh, but I think Macromedia should
not have tried to reinvent the wheel with Flash paper while PDF was
increasing
The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related. It is the set of extensions in Acrobat which makes PDF look
like a fat pig. The PDF format has potential, but lacks good software
for mobile devices.
Michathat may be truebut find me an end user that cares
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
Yep, say goodbye to...
Freehand, Fireworks, Homesite etc
It is not a good omen
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 15:52 pm, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
me that's a huge plus...especially for low bandwidth users or those with
old systems.
or low power systems - count the number of times 'mobile' is mentioned :-)
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 15:50 pm, Burns, John D wrote:
Why not? Adobe doesn't have a competitive server product? It seems
good to me. Adobe has better design programs any way. I'd love to get
Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Illustrator and flash bundled together instead
of Fireworks, Freehand, etc.
I am cancelling my Wednesday afternoon Fireworks lessons and am going take
piano instead.
-James
On 4/18/05, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 15:50 pm, Burns, John D wrote:
Why not? Adobe doesn't have a competitive server product? It seems
good to me. Adobe
The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related.
And the delays are not the worse. What I hate in Accrobat is it's non
conformity to windows standard key stoke.
One can't use Ctrl-F to search, 3 to continue a search, etc...
--
Well, if it hits the fan, there's always BlueDragon. :o)
Rey...
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
I love itthey sue each other...then merge
Adam Haskell wrote:
Great say goodbye to flash paper...
And good riddances.
K.
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I'm wondering what this means for CF most of all in
several ways.
For instance, how will this affect Blue Dragon.
Is adobe only interested in the products that are
media related, and now that there is significant
capability within CF to integrate PDFs and Flash why
would Adobe loose interest in
This has got to be a very bad late April Fools joke!
-Original Message-
From: Jon Austin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Looks real.
http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2005/adobe_macromedia.html
Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
I love itthey sue each other...then merge!!!and I finally thought
MM
was getting CF heading in the right direction...now what???
Bryan
On 4/18/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michathat may be truebut find me an end user that cares about the
semantics ;-) ...they want it fast and they want it now!!
I don't think so in this case. at least not for a document delivery
application, which is what PDFs should
Kazmierczak, Kevin wrote:
I predict a new tag
cfpsd
Oh dear.
Kevin.
Portable Scheme Debugger? w00t! ;-)
K.
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Adam Haskell wrote:
The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related. It is the set of extensions in Acrobat which makes PDF look
like a fat pig. The PDF format has potential, but lacks good software
for mobile devices.
The rendering software is huge bulky and slow
The close of the merger falls right about the time of MAX 2005. Maybe we'll
see some sessions on Adobe products. Not happy about any of this at all.
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I have seen you say this in multiple threads now what your beef with
the product?
Adam H
On 4/18/05, Keith Gaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adam Haskell wrote:
Great say goodbye to flash paper...
And good riddances.
K.
Well, my boss is nervous about CF now, looks like we're moving to a pure
Java environment...
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 April 2005 16:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Yea, but if you thought it was hard selling CF vs. .NET
I see Flash Paper becoming Acrobat Lite.
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: macromedia and Adobe?!
I'm wondering what this means for CF most of all in several ways.
For instance, how will this affect Blue Dragon.
Is adobe only interested in the products that are media related, and now that
there is significant capability within CF to integrate PDFs and Flash why
would
: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
Adam Haskell wrote:
The delays of PDF are not format related. They are software program
related. It is the set of extensions in Acrobat which makes PDF look
like a fat
On Monday 18 Apr 2005 16:23 pm, James Edmunds wrote:
I am cancelling my Wednesday afternoon Fireworks lessons and am going take
piano instead.
Piano is going to be obsoleted by trombone next year, if the rumour mill is to
be believed, you'd be better sticking with HandClap :-)
--
Tom
can't read the document due to the wasted space of the Acrobat reader
interface.
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I personally would not care much about Flash paper either
One ray of hope..
If Adobe keeps ColdFusion, maybe now we have a better chance of increased
marketing, increased training opportunities and increased acceptance by the
business world. Maybe now we can get some of the colleges to teach
ColdFusion. This may be the break we need to get people to
Well, my boss is nervous about CF now, looks like we're moving to a pure
Java environment...
Tell your boss that you can develop Java apps way fatser using CFand
maintain them cheaper...oh ya...and hire less skilled (read as less
expensive) developers to do so.then deploy on a J2EE
How about the potential upside all you doomsayers??? ;-)
1) Adobe has brand recognitionEVERYBODY has heard of Adobe and PDFs.
This is something that I have always thought Macromedia was missing. If I'm
right, this could mean better exposure for CF
2) Bigger company can mean more $$ for
MattNot sure how what you posted has anything to do with my response to
Micha?? ;-)
I said users don't care if it's the software or the format that is slow
(most won't even know the difference). This is totally seperate from the
appropriate use of technology IMHO
Of course the 2
PDFs are Postscript. They are actually the native file format for
Illustrator files.
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Dude! XML? Far from it. The stuff you see when you open a PDF in a text
editor is a combination of commands for a stack-based virtual machine
(à la PostScript), and a bunch of
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