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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: 11/30/06 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
You are usually so right on Dave, but you need to brush up on
your Microsoft history.
Here's two:
BASIC
Visual Basic
VB 6
This thread is really OT and has been moved to the OT list. Please continue
the conversation there.
Thank you
Michael Dinowitz
President: House of Fusion
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Publisher: Fusion Authority
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Adobe Community Expert
Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public.
I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog a couple of weeks ago, and
it was obviously intended to make trouble for me because of the way he titled
it and how he took what I said entirely out of context. So I posted a
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
So here's my original post in its entirety...
I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but Sean linked directly back to the
thread of conversation which he was quoting so
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Sent: Thu Nov 30 20:21:11 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
I saw that, but I thought it would have been more appropriate to have the
post displayed in full along with my own comment. It isn't obvious that
it's a link to the original post, and many wouldn't take
Now I know that Sean's been on vacation, so I waited until he started posting
to his blog again and approving other peoples' comments posted later than my
own, but he still hasn't seen fit to display what I actually said alongside
his spin.
I don't think that Sean put a spin on what you
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From: Richard Kroll
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
So here's my original post in its entirety...
I'm not sure if you noticed
I saw that, but I thought it would have been more appropriate to have the
post displayed in full along with my own comment. It isn't obvious that it's
a link to the original post, and many wouldn't take the extra step to read it
that way. Best to put it right in front of readers, I
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From: Richard Kroll
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
So here's my original post in its entirety...
I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but Sean
about nothing. :-)
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From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Much ado
of their side.
Russ
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From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 November 2006 19:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public.
I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog
? Not if CF is a profit making Endeavour. And you improve
profits by listening to customers.
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From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Sean took this public, so
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, it's time to approve my post
Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public.
I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog a couple of weeks
ago, and it was obviously intended to make trouble for me because of the
way he titled it and how he took what I said entirely out
You're both right, but right on different points
Sean is saying that Adobe does in fact care about what developers have to say.
To that I can't reply to yet as I haven't seen anything to confirm or deny this
(all I know is Allaire and Macormedia both listenedno reason Adobe
So if he has his stockholders best interests at heart, then it is an
absolute requirement that he and his company listen to what the user
community has to say. To ignore us, which you have said is likely in
the interest of helping the stockholder, only hurts the company's bottom
line.
I
people are privy to that data (AFAIK), the rest of us will
have to remain in the dark.
-- Josh
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From: Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
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From: Lincoln Milner
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
I think Sean was pretty fair in his assessment. You are discounting the
enormous power a user base can have on a product, or a company.
You
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From: Adam Churvis
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Nov 30 21:31:04 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
So if he has his stockholders best interests at heart, then it is an
absolute requirement that he and his company listen to what the user
community has to say
Adam, I respect the hell out of you, but you're making a tempest in a
teapot.
You're absolutely right, that at the top level of a large corporation like
Adobe (or even Macromedia), the managers don't know or care about product
specifics beyond the most rudimentary details. And, frankly, they
: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Nov 30 22:20:19 2006
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Adam, I respect the hell out of you, but you're making a tempest in a
teapot.
You're absolutely right, that at the top level of a large corporation like
Adobe (or even Macromedia
2:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public.
I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog a couple of weeks
ago, and it was obviously intended to make trouble for me because of
the way he
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From: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Nov 30 22:53:24 2006
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Hmm that's strange then, because the last time I got stumped with an install
that just wouldn't work and resorted to calling them, I had to pay,
Russ
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If you go through this whole argument about how we can't divine the actions
of top management, why should we trust your divination?
Dave, I highly respect you, too, and I think everyone knows that.
Of course, my predictions are from someone just as removed from the Adobe
boardroom as the rest
Churvis
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Nov 30 23:19:49 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
If you go through this whole argument about how we can't divine the
actions
of top management, why should we trust your divination?
Dave, I highly respect you, too, and I think everyone knows
I will say that for a few years now I've been suspicious of the
actual revenue numbers generated by ColdFusion, how that revenue
breaks down between maintenance versus new licenses for new versions,
new customer growth trend, and how that trend's growth pattern
compares to the overall growth
Roberson
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Nov 30 23:57:09 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
I will say that for a few years now I've been suspicious of the
actual revenue numbers generated by ColdFusion, how that revenue
breaks down between maintenance versus new licenses for new
the ASP.NET and PHP are being taught on
community and university campuses in increasing numbers. At my
community college, they just dropped the ColdFusion class in favor of
ASP.NET.
Just wanted to point out that at our community college, CF is preferred over
the others. Yes the others are
Will,
I am glad to hear that. I was really disappointed when I found out
that ColdFusion wouldn't be offered on campus here anymore :(
-Aaron
On 11/30/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the ASP.NET and PHP are being taught on
community and university campuses in increasing numbers.
It's a cost/benefit ratio thing. CF is expensive, the past owners
have not been customer/user friendly and it has a lousy editor (DW).
If PHP existed back when CF 2 or 3 existed, there would be no
discussion, CF would not currently exist.
My 2 cents.
At 06:57 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
I
PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
the ASP.NET and PHP are being taught on
community and university campuses in increasing numbers. At my
community college, they just dropped the ColdFusion class in favor of
ASP.NET.
Just wanted to point out that at our
crap that never works correctly for
every student or even the instructor. Aaaarrgh!
M!ke
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From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Will,
I am glad
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From: Dawson, Michael
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 01 00:22:57 2006
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
We have
In Adam's defense, I think many of us have had the same
suspicion. The number of shared hosting providers offering
ColdFusion support has hardly increased. At least by my
observation. In addition, it is not everyday (or week for
that matter) that I come across a website that is using
Snake writes:
'I thought for a long time that Macromedia didn't really give a crap about
us, and Adobe is probably the same.
The reason is quite simple, they are just too big a company to care about
the little guys. The days of Allaire are long gone, but thankfully their
caring and helpful
]
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
If you go through this whole argument about how we can't divine the
actions
of top management, why should we trust your divination?
Dave, I highly respect you, too, and I think everyone
It's a cost/benefit ratio thing. CF is expensive, the past
owners have not been customer/user friendly and it has a
lousy editor (DW).
You're free to use whatever editor you want, you know.
If PHP existed back when CF 2 or 3 existed, there would be no
discussion, CF would not currently
Good timing Ray Camden! Thanks for posting this. Perfect timing!
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/proven/
Will
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From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Good timing Ray Camden! Thanks for posting
Will Tomlinson wrote:
Good timing Ray Camden! Thanks for posting this. Perfect timing!
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/proven/
Of course, the links don't help much when, like the FAO Schwarz example,
they describe a project that was built on CF 5 and Spectra, and then
link to a
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:28 PM
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Add to the list
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Centers for Disease Control
National Institute for Standards and Technology US Senate US House of
Representatives
and Accessibility
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From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Good timing Ray Camden! Thanks for posting this. Perfect timing!
http://www.adobe.com
I'd like you to point to any Microsoft
development environment that's existed
for ten years, other than Visual C++.
You are usually so right on Dave, but you need to brush up on your Microsoft
history.
Here's two:
BASIC
Visual Basic
The thing that confuses me most about this entire thread is the
following statement from Sean:
To be honest, I'm not really surprised by Adam's wild claims, given his
love of Microsoft technology as well as his close relationship with New
Atlanta.
I can understand the MS part. ;) But mixing
CF has a great Editor Homesite. DW is a GUI Development tool in my book.
Then of course there's CFEclipse. If there's anything you can't get done
efficiently with these 3 applications something's wrong.
On 11/30/06, Tom Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a cost/benefit ratio thing. CF is
@houseoffusion.com
Sent: 11/30/06 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Not to mention MySpace, which is approaching being the most heavily
trafficked site on the web. Alexa lists them (as of today) as #4, right
after Yahoo, MSN and Google.
On 11/30/06 8:28 PM, Sandra Clark [EMAIL
JSP pages can be written using CF don't forget... So just because it says
..jsp, doesn't mean it's not CF ;-)
Eric
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From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Does that mean we will get upgraed to bluedragon 7 at the same price we're
paying now? :-)
On 11/30/06, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thing that confuses me most about this entire thread is the
following statement from Sean:
To be honest, I'm not really surprised by Adam's
You are usually so right on Dave, but you need to brush up on
your Microsoft history.
Here's two:
BASIC
Visual Basic
VB 6 != VB.NET. Ask any VB 6 developer.
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 3:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
You are usually so right on Dave, but you need to brush up on
your Microsoft history.
Here's two:
BASIC
Visual Basic
VB 6 != VB.NET. Ask any
CF V3.0 != CF MX 7.02
I think you can run most CF 3 code on CF 7.
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From: Will Tomlinson
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 01 00:10:20 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Good timing Ray Camden! Thanks for posting this. Perfect timing!
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From: Andrew Scott
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 01 04:46:40 2006
Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
Dave,
Although that is true, Visual Basic has still been around
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Sent: Fri Dec 01 03:04:51 2006
Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
CF has a great Editor Homesite. DW is a GUI Development tool in my book.
Then of course there's CFEclipse. If there's anything you can't get done
efficiently with these 3 applications something's wrong
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