I would not replace Oracle or SQL Server and pink slip the DBA's just yet
and I would not use it to store 9 GB.
However I think developers should have to access to all available solutions.
Right now I am doing things off the web with coldfusion that would not be
possible if I did not break the
-Talk
Sent: Tue Aug 29 07:59:06 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I would not replace Oracle or SQL Server and pink slip the DBA's just yet
and I would not use it to store 9 GB.
However I think developers should have to access to all available solutions.
Right now I
Likewise, I'm just talking horses for courses. Our DB infrastructure
is used across:
1) Our entire web apps environment, which hosts hundreds of CF sites
2) Our Student (hundreds of thousands of people), Staff (thousands of
people) and Finance (billions of dollars of transactions) systems.
3)
Well, rebellion creates new ideas. As I said before, I would need to see
more information on how to implement other database approaches. If 9GB is a
threshold, that covers a lot of applications that are very specific tool
sets that do not have to have 10,000 concurrent users using it. A lot of
On 8/29/06, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, rebellion creates new ideas. As I said before, I would need to see
more information on how to implement other database approaches. If 9GB is
a
I was hoping Reactor would be a silver bullet...
Ranging from an embedded db to oracle is
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From: Teddy Payne
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 01:42:25 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I am not sure that I am seeing a valid argument to have ad hoc queries in
CF.
Even
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From: Zaphod Beeblebrox
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 01:49:32 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I run almost all my queries with queryparam so they're all precompiled
anyway. When I do a trace, I see that sqlserver is calling
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 02:38:21 2006
Subject: RE: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
While on that subject, a lot of people insist
I would love to test out my pure java embedded db in CF solution against
any SP from Oracle or any of the other DBs.
Just give me a dataset and I will knock one right out of the park.
Write to me offline and I will set you up (for free) and you can test it out
yourself.
No more DBA's and pia SP
If I have a cluster of CF boxes, can they share the same embedded DB?
On 8/28/06, Dan Plesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would love to test out my pure java embedded db in CF solution against
any SP from Oracle or any of the other DBs.
Just give me a dataset and I will knock one right out of
this
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From: Dan Plesse
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 10:18:10 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I would love to test out
Well, there has been a strong aversion to my original thread and some
agreement with various aspects.
Let me add that I thank everyone for their comments. My usage of stored
procedures is my personal style of coding. I consider stored procedures a
good way to abstract my data code and enforce
Then my sql server trace logs must be lying.
On 8/28/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, you do not, not really. This is not how SQL Server works.
You are still using inline compiled on demand SQL.
--
I took a walk around the world to ease my troubled mind
I left
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From: Zaphod Beeblebrox
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 14:57:21 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
Then my sql server trace logs must be lying.
On 8/28/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, you do not, not really
Neil,
I am not sure you see the overall point. Both the in-line compiled queries
and stored procedures have good results. Most of the issues that I read
were about maintenance of code.
I am not sure telling people that they are incorrect is the best way to
share technological debates, but
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From: Teddy Payne
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 15:22:17 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
Neil,
I am not sure you see the overall point. Both the in-line compiled queries
and stored procedures have good results
I must have misread somewhere. I apologize for misinterpreting the thread.
Cheers,
Teddy
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Dan Plesse wrote:
I would love to test out my pure java embedded db in CF solution against
any SP from Oracle or any of the other DBs.
I have a hard time believing that it can scale and perform:
http://db.lcs.mit.edu/madden/html/javapaper.pdf
Perhaps you can elaborate on the design of your
I would love to test out my pure java embedded db in CF
solution against any SP from Oracle or any of the other DBs.
Just give me a dataset and I will knock one right out of the park.
Write to me offline and I will set you up (for free) and you
can test it out yourself.
No more DBA's
: Dan Plesse
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Aug 28 10:18:10 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I would love to test out my pure java embedded db in CF solution against
any SP from Oracle or any of the other DBs.
Just give me a dataset and I will knock one right out
Sent: Mon Aug 28 19:35:06 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
It should. Why don't you try it and find out for yourself?
On 8/28/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dan, I think in all honesty the only person to use this your solution
would
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From: Dan Plesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
It should. Why don't you try it and find out for yourself?
On 8/28/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) Neil.Robertson-
[EMAIL PROTECTED
uncomfortable having my stuff sitting in a
proprietary solution...
!k
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I would love to test out my pure java
YES if you use the webserver object
Its embedded but it has remote connectivity.
If you start the webserver inside a jws container you might also get object
persistence benefits.
I had trouble adding the driver at runtime, so I take this to mean that the
context might be off the CF map. Maybe
Kevin Aebig wrote:
Not to mention that there's strength in numbers. Why would someone want to
switch when they can find numerous online resources to issues / problems
they're having with more widely adopted DBs?
How can they be sure that you'll continue to support / upgrade this
solution?
On 8/27/06, Phillip Senn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Denny,
Where is your blog?
I think I'll just use blogger beta, but I haven't added anything yet.
Been sorta wishy-washy on what direction I want to go, want to be able to
move
my posts if I want, etc... I'd use blogCFC if I had a personal CF
Things to consider with stored procs:
Plus: More logic is in the DB than in CF
Con: More logic is in the DB than in CF
If you want to switch Data providers, you have a major task- CF and the
DB are hard-linked sorta, if that makes sense.
And I think that there is a beliefe that stored
I find it hard to believe that all this stuff is free and
open and no one has tested this before.
For the same effect, you could just use PointBase, which ships with JRun/CF.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber
It should. Why don't you try it and find out for yourself?
I can only speak for myself, but I don't use Oracle and MS SQL Server
because they're faster. I use them because they're reliable, can be secured
and managed from outside of my application, can support multiple separate
applications, and
, whatever).
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
While on that subject, a lot of people insist that everythig
should be done with SP's wherever
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
Kevin Aebig wrote:
Not to mention that there's strength in numbers. Why would someone want to
switch when
Kevin Aebig wrote:
Escrow licence on the source.
If I wanted to support someone else's work, than I might as well just make
my own.
Yet if the work is Bill's or Larry's, you want to support it by paying a
license?
It's pretty obvious that MSSQL, Oracle and DB2 aren't open-source. At the
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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
Kevin Aebig wrote:
Escrow licence on the source.
If I wanted to support someone else's work, than I might as well just make
my own.
Yet if the work is Bill's
It's not my solution, that's why it's free and open. It would be nice if
someone could run benchmarks on the different kinds
of things you can create and use. Even the two different kinds protocols the
server object uses could be tested.
I did run and test Derby and your welcome to that code as
I see a lot of comments on supporting the software vendors for Oracle and MS
SQL Server. These solutions attract organizations and developers because of
the level of documentation, training and certification offerings. Unless
you plan to create independent solutions that are for very specific
On 8/28/06, Dan Plesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not my solution, that's why it's free and open. It would be nice if
someone could run benchmarks on the different kinds
of things you can create and use. Even the two different kinds protocols
the
server object uses could be tested.
All
On 8/29/06, Denny Valliant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think it would be a very good data-warehouse... the largest object
size seems to be around a megabyte... it does handle up to 8 gig databases
now though... that's pretty big. Relatively speaking...
Well, Oracle's BLOBs can be up to
Sorry to reply to myself, but that BLOB size limit is for Oracle 8 and
9 - in 10G Oracle can support a BLOB or CLOB of somewhere between 8
terabytes and 128 terabytes, depending on the DB block size. Yes,
terabytes.
On 8/29/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/29/06, Denny Valliant
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From: Denny Valliant
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 01:28:55 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
On 8/25/06, Ali Awan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second that.
In terms of SQL prowess being an indication of a developer's skills, some
of the reporting I
On 8/27/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part of the whole package. No excuse for not
knowing a decent about of T-SQL.
LOL.
I've got a freakishly long, and irreparably inconcise draft response to
Aaron, but
I think I'll just create a blog,
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From: Denny Valliant
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 09:45:42 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
On 8/27/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part of the whole package.
I very much agree.
No excuse for not knowing a decent about of T-SQL.
I very much disagree. First of all, I think that writing anything but the most
trivial stored procedures is something that is
I think this is quite true, especially for the contract programmer who
works on various sites, for multiple clients, on differing platforms.
However, for those who are part or, for example, a particular
Education or Government entity with a single, standard web
infrastructure platform, I think
I think knowlege is worthwhile on its own merit. I think the more
you know about all of the disciplines related to web technologies the
better.
However in 10 years I have never seen a routine done with a SP that
couldnt also be done by some other method. I think stored procedures
are only
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From: Jochem van Dieten
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 10:38:11 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 12:05:06 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I think knowlege is worthwhile on its own merit. I think the more
you know about all of the disciplines related to web technologies the
better.
However in 10 years I have never seen a routine done with a SP
I don't care about the other 99, but #1 MUST be Ray Horn.
*flees the country*
On 8/24/06, Block, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
I'd like to be able to
Denny,
Where is your blog?
I did a Google search for you, and found some posts, but not your blog address.
Also, the frappr link from Google is a broken photo.
http://www.frappr.com/cfdevelopers/photos/7
I've got a freakishly long, and irreparably inconcise draft response to
Aaron, but
I think
On 8/24/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
Me three. Systems where the entire operations of the company get
ported to an intra/extranet.
Although I will admit my life is simplified handily in the
I am much like yourself in regards to PL/SQL and my growth in building
applications. It sometimes comes with some major drawbacks though when I am
working with something I learned in Oracle and find myself in a hole I can
not climb out of. But that has only happened once so far.
On 8/27/06,
, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 August 2006 13:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
Again, and the point has been echoed by James, is that the all-rounder
should know both.
I am not saying that SPs etc (not that has anything to do with you level of
SQL per se
/would be blocked from the outside world via a firewall.
Just my 2p
Snake
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 August 2006 13:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
Again, and the point has been echoed by James
-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 23:29:16 2006
Subject: Re: Stored procs (was Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers)
I did a project where sp's were used almost exclusively. That was a
major pia whenever it came to moving the app from dev to production.
Usually
of which may be obtained quickly or easily as they
should/would be blocked from the outside world via a firewall.
Just my 2p
Snake
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 August 2006 13:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion
I used'em in an app just to gain the ability to DO it. Sucked bigtime! Whenever
I needed to change some SQL for updates and such, it was a major PITA!
Sorry, but I think all that logic belongs in the app itself.
Will - Award Winning Author and Database Expert
I am not sure that I am seeing a valid argument to have ad hoc queries in
CF.
Even for small queries, the execution time will typically always be faster
executed from a databse like MS SQl, Oracle ..etc than from the CF server.
As for contractors waiting for the copy of the stored procedure, the
I run almost all my queries with queryparam so they're all precompiled
anyway. When I do a trace, I see that sqlserver is calling that query
as an sp after the first call. Therefore, I get the benefits of speed
of the sp with the ease of deployment with cf.
On 8/27/06, Teddy Payne [EMAIL
When we move from development to production, we have to provide SQL scripts
to setup all tables, SPs, views, and so on. Our DBAs are just there to
make sure the boxes stay up and running, they do not even run those SQL
scripts we provide. The scripts are ran usually by the web server admins.
On
While on that subject, a lot of people insist that everythig
should be done with SP's wherever possible.
While this is indeed a good idea for long/complex queries
that will see vastly improved performance and speed, but I
think it is wrong to do it just for the sake of it, and to
put
Interesting topic, eh?
As long as the SP doesn't get recompiled, the SP should be somewhat
faster than plain CF query.
SP coded in T-SQL or the powerful PL/SQL can save you lots of time
doing the same thing in CF too.
But when it goes to deployment, it will take more steps for just to
upgrade
There are other concerns for using stored proc's other than just
performance and security.
We decided to enforce a stored procedure only policy because we were
experiencing issues with our cf servers related to database operations.
In addition we noticed a very number of database calls per page
PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools that may be an indication they're doing some pretty
simple
CF scripting. ...
I have to object to this one. I use more ColdFusion features
On 8/25/06, Ali Awan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second that.
In terms of SQL prowess being an indication of a developer's skills, some
of the reporting I have done, requires an intense knowledge of SQL Server
complex queries and Stored Procedures. Something that your average HTML
guru who
I do not quite follow that, probably from little knowledge of Reactor. When
someone needs to build report, which in my experience is where more complex
SQL skills are needed, how does one do it with Reactor? I thought Reactor
was good for creating what I'd refer to as the nitty/gritty queries
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
I've revised my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Charlie Griefer (The Iceman)
3. Michael Dinowitz
Now you're #2 in my book Charlie. Feel better??
:)
Will
Um Will, do we need even more inflated egos on
Block, Jon wrote:
When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
I'd like to be able to see who are the very best ColdFusion coders out
there and try to steal one of them for my company. How do you
featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools
When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
I'd like to be able to see who are the very best ColdFusion coders out
there and try to steal one of them for my company. How do you guys find
the absolute
I nominate Massimo Foti for some position in the top 3. While there are other
guys who know as much as he does, there are only VERY few who make efficient
use of the language to solve every-day tasks in an elegant, practical matter.
What I mean, I'd rather have Massimo than Ben Forta on my side
How do you guys find
the absolute best coders when hiring?
It sure isn't based on ANYONE's opinion but mine ;-)
So personally I would find no value in such a list.
If you want to work here you are tested first. If you don't do well enough you
don't get hired.
Besides...I'm sure there are
list names cause I don't want to leave
anyone out ).
...
Ben Nadel
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
www.bennadel.com
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From: Block, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Top 100
A good measure of a good CF developer is typically how much he/she
contributes to the community as a whole. Most of the noteable names of the
CF industry assist others in troubleshooting, providing code samples to
alleviate difficult topics and giving back to their user groups.
Education and
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire on full time. Who are the best?
Look at who are writing the books/articles and read their material. Look at who
are teaching new concepts in a way that you can understand. Look at who's
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever
reason - never post to the lists. At most they go to conferences, but
they aren't part of the noise of this community. (I say noise in a
nice way of course. ;)
Of course, you do realize that if you make such a list, all you will
do
We just hired two CF developers and it was very, very difficult to find
qualified ones. Google is definitely your friend. A quick search on a
prospect's name can bring up any articles, blog posts, newsgroup/community
questions and other programming affiliations.
Some good indicators of
don't have that much time on my hands.
Snake
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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 August 2006 19:10
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
A good measure of a good CF developer is typically how much he/she
contributes to the community
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever reason
- never post to the lists. At most they go
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever reason
- never post to the lists. At most they go
of it as well...
!k
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire
The sign on my wall says nothing about where I am in the standing, but it
does read, I piss excellence.
!k
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
it would
I want 101. I want to stay motivated and hungryand anonymous.
On 8/24/06, Mkruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to put in a bid for spot number 25 - just enough to boost my ego
but not enough for anyone to go gunning for me... anyone object?
Here's my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Michael Dinowitz
3. Michael Dinowitz.
Can I get a hell yeah??
Will
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Agreed, I have known a few people who have written books, taught classes,
and/or speak at conferences. When it really came down to it they were
awesome sales people due to their ability to speak on things they truely
could not apply any better or perhaps even worse than the general Joe.
On
On that note, I have to say that this debate thread is nice and all but is
drifting past the point of being a ColdFusion technical thread into being a
general tech debate with lots of me too type comments. I may have to ask
it to be moved to CF-OT soon.
Nu uhyou posted to it too...are
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
:)
On 8/24/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Michael Dinowitz
3. Michael Dinowitz.
Can I get a hell yeah??
Will
, 2006 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I want to be programmer #0. I count from 0 not 1.
D'oh! *hides*
Teddy =P
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Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority
I think that all depends on how many things show up from my Amazon wish
list?? Haha.
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From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
Who's on track for next year's award
Yeah, I was thinking the exact thing when I read that.
On 8/24/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
The sign on my wall says nothing about where I am in the standing, but
it
does read, I piss excellence.
!k
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject
: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I've decided to start giving out an annual award for excellence in
coldfusion programming...coincidentally I am also announcing that I am
the winner this year... :) haha
-Robert
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I was thinking the same thing, not just intranets, but password
protected sites I get removed from the moment the job ends (401(k)
transactional sites, newspaper/magazine production systems, CMS
content managers, true intranets, classified projects, document
management systems).
And the
I want to be programmer #0. I count from 0 not 1.
D'oh! *hides*
Teddy =P
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When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools that may be an indication they're doing some pretty simple CF
scripting. ...
I have to object to this one. I use more ColdFusion features working on this
company's intranets and reporting tools then I even
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire on full time. Who are the best?
Look at who are writing the books/articles and read their material. Look at
who are teaching new concepts in a way that you can understand. Look at
ironically i just read
http://www.softwarebyrob.com/articles/Personality_Traits_of_the_Best_Software_Developers.aspx
via Digg. Quite interesting
DK
On 8/24/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive
Very true.
On that note, I have to say that this debate thread is nice and all but is
drifting past the point of being a ColdFusion technical thread into being a
general tech debate with lots of me too type comments. I may have to ask
it to be moved to CF-OT soon.
Well to be fair Mikethe
On 8/24/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
I've revised my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Charlie Griefer (The Iceman)
3. Michael Dinowitz
Now you're #2 in my book Charlie. Feel better??
Well actually I can kind of see the logic behind it now. We have been
mainly still on CF5 up until recent months and therefore a lot of the people
there do not know a bit about features specific to MX. So if they were to
be asked MX specific questions one might very well get deer in the
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