But you have to admit Superman would kick the Hulk's butt :-)
Sorry, but couldn't resist this...
Which color Hulk, and which version of Superman?
Which era of Hulk, which era of Superman... etc. etc.
Sorry, but now I'm getting REALLY geeky g
Philip Arnold
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Hmmn I think the ASP vs CF thread is one of the longest running
I have seen... anywhere :-P
Heremy
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hoice for your Web
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Hmmn I think the ASP vs CF thread is one of t
Sorry, but couldn't resist this...
Which color Hulk, and which version of Superman?
The purple one? Allaire should get a cross-licensing ageement with
Marvel/DC. Be _interesting_to see superheroes pitching the benefits of CF
over ASP. The Beast giving a monologue on CFWDDX. Deathlok talking
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Sorry, but couldn't resist this...
Which color Hulk, and which version of Superman?
The purple one? Allaire should get a cross-licensing ageement with
Marvel/DC. Be _interesting_to see superheroes pitching the benefits
Gives "X-Men" a whole new meaning.
Steve
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Sorry, but couldn't resist this...
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MSXML.DLL, right? This will work on NT but, doesn't help *NIX users. I feel
that an XML parser
But you have to admit Superman would kick the Hulk's butt :-)
At 05:53 PM 8/31/00 -0400, Steve Bernard wrote:
Capability is only as relevant as your need. Instead of creating these
un-ending threads that don't accomplish anything or answer anyquestions
why not evaluate needs and resources,
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I agree to a certain extent, however, I do not feel that Allaire's efforts
are best spent developing an XML parser for ColdFusion. In my opinion, too
much work needs to be done to the existing code base and functionality.
Perhap
Capability is only as relevant as your need. Instead of creating these
un-ending threads that don't accomplish anything or answer anyquestions
why not evaluate needs and resources, compare products based on those
criteria, and figure out which one fits YOUR needs. You'd think that enough
XML parser. Enough to check well-formedness with the option
to validate against a DTD. It doesn't have to "execute" the XML.
If you are on NT, what about the XML Parser that comes with Internet
Explorer? Many people have been using this successfully from within
ColdFusion Apps.
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I like to
think that CF is to ASP what VB is to C
Boy, that is both a strong statement and an amazing example of
damning with faint praise :)
I don't know that much about ASP, not having had any chance to use
it, but I always thought it was
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I like to
think that CF is to ASP what VB is to C
Boy, that is both a strong statement
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XML parser. Enough to check well-formedness with the option
to validate against a DTD. It doesn't have to "execute" the XML.
If you are on NT, what about the XML Parser that comes with Internet
Explorer? M
I'm sure I'll think of more... I don't suppose there's any Allaire
programmers reading this list taking notes, are there? ;-)
There's always the "ColdFusion Enhancement Requests" section in Allaire
Support Forums. Does anyone have some spare time to collect the ideas
from this thread and post
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Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP
users might
deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc.
where CF users
might insist on said functionality:
Cost of ASP: $0.00
Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95
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I'm sure I'll think of more... I don't suppose there's any Allaire
programmers reading this list taking notes, are there? ;-)
There's always the "ColdF
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Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP
users might
deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc.
where CF users
might insist on said functionality:
C
One rather major thing just came to mind which tilts the "cost"
argument back in ASP's favor:
We upgraded all our ASP servers to Win2k with no problems. All of
the code still worked afterwards with no kludging whatsoever. It
truly was a painless upgrade.
Then we tried to upgrade our
We upgraded all our ASP servers to Win2k with no problems. All of
the code still worked afterwards with no kludging whatsoever. It
truly was a painless upgrade.
The developers of ASP have the WIN32 source code , Allaire do not. What do
u expect???
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Cold Fusion is weak in these areas, but really you can do all these things
(or "emulate" them :-) ) using existing features.
(forgive my syntax - I'm writing this quickly)
Pick a standard variable name, like Retu
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We upgraded all our ASP servers to Win2k with no problems. All
of the code still worked afterwards with no kludging
whatsoever. It truly was a painless upgrade.
The develope
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It's not so much the fact that I had to upgrad
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So, you're surprised that if you upgrade the operating system to one which
blik. don't do that. that's one of the beauties of CF by comparison to
more stringent languages.
I do agree with everything else you've said.
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Basically, I'm looking for something that would allow you to force
declaration of variables, types,
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Cold Fusi
Cold Fusion is weak in these areas, but really you can do
all these things (or "emulate" them :-) ) using existing
features. (forgive my syntax - I'm writing this quickly)
Pick a standard variable name, like ReturnValue and only use
it for returning a value from a custom tag:
Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP users might
deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. where CF users
might insist on said functionality:
Cost of ASP: $0.00
Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com)
If you compare the labor costs for
Dave,
I think the reverse can also be true, the difference between "web pages" and
"applications" can be quite considerable, a programmer coming from a more
traditional client/server background may have a more thorough grounding in
exceptions, error handling, transactions, locking, SQL etc. than
1. The problem with developing web applications isn't really
learning a new language, but learning a new programming model.
Traditional VB programming and ASP programming using VBScript
share a language, but not much else. It can be difficult for
even experienced programmers to
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AH. Almost forgot. The ability to form post to a cf page and have
cf determine the size of the file BEFORE the upload. ie, an
optional byte cutoff limit for file upload.
(I would wholeheartedly second this, gawd the nightmares I've
had w/ppl
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Oh! Forgot a few more pet peeves. I'm sure I'll think of more as
this thread progresses. Sorry for so many posts from one guy...
* An option to choose buffered page output (like CF does now) or
unbuffered (like ASP does). That way you can choose
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Oh! Forgot a few more pet peeves. I'm sure I'll think of more as
this thread progresses. Sorry for so many posts from one
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7. Fix CFHTTP!
I agree that it's not as good as it could (or should) be. I'd generally
recommend a third-party product
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I agree that the interfaces for SMTP, POP, HTTP, etc. need a lot of work. As
for other stuff, I'm kind of curious. What basic functionality would you
like to see? I can't really think of all that much that I'd like to see
added.
Personally, I've got a
Ok, my wish list now:
1) How about a way to determine whether a dimension exists in an array, for instance
this works:
ArrayLen(ThisArray)
But if ThisArray were a 2 dimensional array and I needed to figure out the length of
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Ok, my wish list now:
1) How about a way to determine whether a dimension exists in an array, for
instance this works:
ArrayLen(ThisArray)
But if ThisArray were a 2 dimensional array
I've got structures doing all kinds of crazy things. Stuff.Things.MoreThings
definitely works for me. TO make the expressions easier you may want to use temporary
variables in the middle:
ThingStruct = StructNew();
ThingStruct = Stuff.Things;
... do something with
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7. Fix CFHTTP! Please! In the current implementation so
much is broken it's not even funny!
Not that a few other folks haven't mentioned this, but.
ME TOO!!!
To add some more specific requests:
* 4.5.1 broke templates which retrieved
3. (or, in deference to or addition to #2) Support for
"compiling" templates. We know that they already do this
in memory (something akin to a p-code or bytecode type
thing), but what I'd like to see is the ability to take
that compiled chunk of memory and save it to a file.
Python
1. CFIMAP (native to language, not as a custom tag)
2. ability to communicate with any TCP/IP host, and get results, and
maintain an open session (like Intrafoundation's custom tag)
3. ability to call tags from within cfscript
4. some kind of UDF support.. if for no other reason to quiet the
old fusion to
accomplish this.
Rich
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This brings up an interesting point. As CF developers,
we're used to getting lots of functionality in the base CF
product, without having to rely on third-party addins.
Is this what we should expect?
For example, I'd much rather have the CF
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Ok, my wish list now:
1) How about a way to dete
Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP users might
deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. where CF users
might insist on said functionality:
Cost of ASP: $0.00
Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com)
If you compare the labor costs for training and
How about i++ operators etc in cfscript
I can't tell you the number of times I have had to fix that.
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How about i++ operators etc in cfscript
I can't tell you the number of times I have
t, or I'll have to re-evaluate what language is my language of
choice for web development.
Byron
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This brings up an interesting point. As CF developers,
we're
Really? Not in my neck of the woods Most of the folks we
interview have a procedural programming background, and most have
used VB in the past. Having them pickup VBScript for ASP is a
cakewalk compared to them figuring out the whole "shove your code
into the middle of perfectly good
Delphi page producers are a pretty good alternative (plus ISAPI apps are quite speedy).
I'm not savvy with the Enhydra architecture, although it offers a different
alternative again. (I've heard its good)
Jared.
Dave Watts wrote:
Really? Not in my neck of the woods Most of the folks
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