Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Phillip Vector
Can't you just log the messages and check CF administrator to see if they went out? On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Nathan Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a ColdFusion-based application that makes use of CFMAIL. Nothing too fancy, mostly just HTML emails with no attachments. We are

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Nathan Wells
Can't you just log the messages and check CF administrator to see if they went out? Yes, we could check the mailsent log, but it's not always viable to give our QA testers access to the log files, and it's not real warm and fuzzy either.

SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Nathan Wells
We have a ColdFusion-based application that makes use of CFMAIL. Nothing too fancy, mostly just HTML emails with no attachments. We are looking for an SMTP server (or an SMTP proxy, if you will) that we could point our development and pre-production environments to. This SMTP server would

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Phillip Vector
Oh. Usually, as I've seen it, QA is the same as Developers. If QA is testing out the functionality of your app, then why do they need a special SMTP. Just have them get a google mail account and go through the forms or whatever and put that in as their emails. If they do more then what users

RE: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
Usually, as I've seen it, QA is the same as Developers. You should see it some other way. It's a lot nicer that other way. Developers, by and large, make lousy QA people. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Phillip Vector
Really? Why? I guess coming from a QA background and merging web development into it, I perhaps do things differently. Why do developers make bad QA people usually? They have familiarly with the code and I would think they would have to test to see if the code worked as part of the job. On Fri,

RE: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Francis
who likes d/m/y or a use with a little computer background who believes y/m/d is easeier on computers. -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL Really? Why? I guess

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Phillip Vector
. -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL Really? Why? I guess coming from a QA background and merging web development into it, I perhaps do things

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Nathan Wells
Sorry, not tryingto be rude, but I guess I don't understand what the purpose of such a thing would be. No need to apologize. Let avoid the whole QA vs. Developer issue and lay out the ugly details of the situation. The specific incident that started my search was that during testing, our

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Phillip Vector
Remove most of the users from the pre-production database and those that are left (2 or 3 or however many you need to test your app), replace those with Yahoo or gmail addresses. When you roll it out, make sure before you do, you copy the users table from the production DB to the pre-production

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Phillip Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove most of the users from the pre-production database and those that are left (2 or 3 or however many you need to test your app), replace those with Yahoo or gmail addresses. Or, I wrote a little deal to use wiser

Re: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Nathan Wells
We would like to avoid making changes to the database if possible, because that alters the test platform. The less similar pre-production and production are, the less applicable QA testing on pre-production is. In this particular case, removing the data from the database is simply not an

RE: SMTP Proxy for use in Testing CFMAIL

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
Really? Why? I guess coming from a QA background and merging web development into it, I perhaps do things differently. Why do developers make bad QA people usually? They have familiarly with the code and I would think they would have to test to see if the code worked as part of the