Re: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Meyers
I would caution against pulling validation out of the domain model entirely, since it could lead to Fowler's Anemic Domain Model antipattern: http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/AnemicDomainModel.html It's also worth emphasizing that putting behavior into the domain objects should not contradict

RE: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Bell
Hi Cliff, This is still something I'm trying to come to terms with. I've seen the references to the anaemic domain model and am trying to understand how to best go about arranging models. Lets say you want to process a user registration form. Your controller packages up the input scope (form and

Re: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Scott
I think that the discussions that Martin Fowler has raised in his post about the 'AnemicDomainModel' are definitely quite interesting, and by all means worth investigation, but I really think it should be taken with a healthy grain of salt. If you find yourself struggling to figure out how

RE: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Bell
Hi Chris, The service model is intuitively more attractive to me and it is how I'm currently doing things. I also see how a coder like myself with limited OO experience would prefer this approach even if it wasn't better, so I'm trying to get the underlying arguments from both sides. I

[CFCDev] Smart services and dumb beans

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Bell
Title: Message I'm going round in circles on this. One the one hand it seems attractive to put transformation, validation and calculation code into beans. Now they are (at least somewhat) smart. - MyUser.setPhoneNumber() can now regex to remove non-integers and can return whether the

RE: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Jason Daiger
Cliff, Thanks for the suggested readings. It did help and has me thinking back to some earlier OO objects I used for client server apps I wrote several years ago. (BTW that did give me another approach idea so thanks for jogging my memory) I believe Fowler would say those objects were more full

Re: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Meyers
Lots of good discussion here. The big question is where your business logic goes. ADM is an approach where the data contructs (beans/domain model) are operated upon by methods in your service layer. Here the domain objects are often called dumb data holders that don't really have any behavior

Re: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Nando
I'm currently thinking through a model and the more i do this, the more i see there are SO many options. It's just overwhelming. I love the flexibility and power that OO brings to an application. Luckily, it seems to manage to do that on it's own, even if i manage to bungle up the design of

Re: [CFCDev] Model or View?

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Meyers
That's why you have to budget at least a little time for the all-important refactoring: because we all screw it up the first time around... or sometimes more than that! :) On 6/14/06, Nando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently thinking through a model and the more i do this, the more i