[chromium-dev] 4.0 branch coming soon

2009-11-13 Thread Mark Larson (Google)
The feature freeze for 4.0 Stable is end of day today (Friday, 13 Nov). I've had a few questions about branching, either from people who want to delay committing crazy patches or people who want to make sure their feature lands before we branch. In a nutshell, we're going to branch Monday morning

Re: [chromium-dev] How to compile Google Chrome with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition

2009-11-13 Thread PhistucK
Can this be ported to the 2005 version also? I would like to try and make it work on 2005 Express. ☆PhistucK On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:51, Bradley Nelson bradnel...@google.com wrote: Ok that fix is in. You'd need to set GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2008e Let me know how that goes for you. -BradN

Re: [chromium-dev] How to compile Google Chrome with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition

2009-11-13 Thread PhistucK
Looking at the actual patch, I see there is (an apparent) support for 2005e, as well. Sorry and thank you. ☆PhistucK On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:51, Bradley Nelson bradnel...@google.com wrote: Ok that fix is in. You'd need to set GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2008e Let me know how that goes for you.

[chromium-dev] Problem during compilation about gen_x86_insn.py

2009-11-13 Thread sahid
Hello, sa...@sahid-work:~/Documents/chromium/src$ cat /etc/debian_version squeeze/sid sa...@sahid-work:~/Documents/chromium/src$ uname -sra Linux sahid-work 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux sa...@sahid-work:~/Documents/chromium/src$ svn info Path: .

Re: [chromium-dev] Problem during compilation about gen_x86_insn.py

2009-11-13 Thread Lei Zhang
Do you have src/third_party/yasm/source/patched-yasm/modules/arch//x86/gen_x86_insn.py checked out? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:43 AM, sahid sahid.ferdja...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, sa...@sahid-work:~/Documents/chromium/src$ cat /etc/debian_version squeeze/sid

Re: [chromium-dev] Problem during compilation about gen_x86_insn.py

2009-11-13 Thread Adam Langley
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:43 AM, sahid sahid.ferdja...@gmail.com wrote: make: *** No rule to make target `third_party/yasm/source/patched-yasm/ modules/arch/x86/gen_x86_insn.py', needed by `out/Debug/obj/gen/ This file should exist. If it doesn't, your checkout is incomplete. Make sure that

[chromium-dev] Getting 'This is a read-only checkout' error from gcl

2009-11-13 Thread Jens Alfke
A few days ago I started getting an error when using gcl to create changelists in my WebKit tree: $ pwd /Volumes/Yttrium/src/third_party/WebKit $ gcl change foo This is a read-only checkout. Retry in a read-write checkout or use -- force to override. I don't get the error if I use gcl in the

[chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Chris Bentzel
Howdy, I've been trying to dive into the Chromium codebase and have been focusing on the network stack after getting the gist of how Chromium on the whole is organized. I've written a few hacky little command line tools to exercise some of the networking components (nslookup-like for

Re: [chromium-dev] Getting 'This is a read-only checkout' error from gcl

2009-11-13 Thread Dirk Pranke
I started getting this on my mac at home, and haven't taken the time to track it down yet. Is it possible your environment got switched from the svn:// checkout to an https:// read-only checkout? -- Dirk On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jens Alfke s...@chromium.org wrote: A few days ago I

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
What's the intended purpose of such tools? Do they offer any functionality beyond the standard tools? Do you envision them being helpful to people debugging the Chromium network stack? (Me replying does in no way imply that I have the authority to say yes or no, btw. :-) On Fri, Nov 13, 2009

[chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Antony Sargent
[+chromium-dev and dumi] I'm not sure what our overall plan is with respect to quotas for html5 databases, and whether we've discussed giving extensions larger quotas than regular web content. Dumi or anyone else care to comment? On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Yuichi Tateno

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Chris Bentzel
I'm using them as a learning exercise for the network stack - and I'm guessing that they will help debug behavior in the future as well. I don't intend to add additional functionality over the standard tools - in fact, I promise you they'll be less functional than the standard tools. For example,

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Dan Kegel
I like the idea. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Bentzel cbent...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using them as a learning exercise for the network stack - and I'm guessing that they will help debug behavior in the future as well. I don't intend to add additional functionality over the standard

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Chris Bentzel cbent...@gmail.com wrote: Should I spend time trying to flesh these out and add to net/tools, or is this something which doesn't belong in the chromium codebase? I'm weakly against the idea, since adding dependencies increases the burden when

[chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
At lunch today, a few of us discussed the idea of moving from two sheriffs to four. There are several reasons we contemplated such a change: * The team is large enough that on the current schedule, you go months between sheriffing, which is so long that you forget things like what tools help you

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Ben Goodger b...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: * The team is large enough that on the current schedule, you go months between sheriffing, which is so long that you forget things like what tools

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Dan Kegel
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Should I spend time trying to flesh these out and add to net/tools, or is this something which doesn't belong in the chromium codebase? I'm weakly against the idea, since adding dependencies increases the burden when

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Stuart Morgan stuartmor...@google.comwrote: If we end up actually having four at a time that seems likely to be worse than two: either four people are doing nothing but sheriffing, which there is probably not enough work for, or all four people are more

[chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Dumitru Daniliuc
estimatedSize is useless. neither chromium nor safari really uses it (we save it in case we might wanna do something with it in the future, but that's about it). in chromium, we currently have a hard limit of 5MB per origin. it's pretty easy to write code that would allow users/extensions to

Re: [chromium-dev] Getting 'This is a read-only checkout' error from gcl

2009-11-13 Thread Dominic Mazzoni
I got the same error yesterday. Note that I don't have write access, so it's true that I do have a read-only checkout, but before, there was no warning just to create, upload or try. Now I have to use --force in order to do any of those operations. - Dominic On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM,

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
For a while now, I've advocated having 2 pacific timezone sheriffs always on duty and having one or two in other time zones. I still advocate such an idea. So, to be clear, I think this is a good idea as long as the distribution of sheriffs (time zone wise) is deliberate. (I think this

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Andrew Scherkus
(resending to chromium-dev) Sheriffing the PST time zone is usually the worst. We could experiment with tweaking the scheduling algorithm to have two PST sheriffs and one non-PST sheriff per shift. Other than that -- fixing flaky tests would go a long way to making the job easier. Right now

Re: [chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Aaron Boodman
My name is Aaron Boodman and I support the motion to give extensions extra space. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Antony Sargent asarg...@google.com wrote: [+chromium-dev and dumi] I'm not sure what our overall plan is with respect to quotas for html5 databases, and whether we've discussed

Re: [chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
Just for the record, you're also the one who originally said it was fine to limit them to 5mb (for LocalStorage anyhow). :-) What kind of extra space did you have in mind? Unlimited? It's pretty late in the game to be making a decision like this for mstone-4, but it might be possible if this

Re: [chromium-dev] Getting 'This is a read-only checkout' error from gcl

2009-11-13 Thread Marc-Antoine Ruel
Fixed, http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?view=revrevision=31942 On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Dominic Mazzoni dmazz...@google.com wrote: I got the same error yesterday.  Note that I don't have write access, so it's true that I do have a read-only checkout, but before, there was no

Re: [chromium-dev] Getting 'This is a read-only checkout' error from gcl

2009-11-13 Thread Dominic Mazzoni
Works great now. Thanks for the quick patch! Sorry I didn't mention it earlier, I thought I was doing something wrong... - Dominic On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Marc-Antoine Ruel mar...@google.com wrote: Fixed, http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?view=revrevision=31942 On Fri, Nov

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson fin...@google.comwrote: If the sheriff load is too much for two people to devote 100% of their time to, then there is something wrong with the process. It's clearly too much, given that I hardly see any other sheriffs even attempt to

Re: [chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Aaron Boodman a...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: Just for the record, you're also the one who originally said it was fine to limit them to 5mb (for LocalStorage anyhow). :-) It is a consistent

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Lei Zhang
Big +1 for at least a third sheriff. With two sheriffs, if one is not in PST, then really we only have one sheriff. If that sheriff happens to be new, then we have 0 = num_sheriffs = 1. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: At lunch today, a few of us

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Stuart Morgan stuartmor...@google.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Sheriffs are in theory supposed to watch all the perf bots too. Do you? I don't. I doubt very many people do. That's probably mostly a

[chromium-dev] Re: More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
It sounds like so far there is more support for the idea of three sheriffs than four. What if I modify the proposal to be: * Change from two sheriffs to three * Try to ensure that one of those three is non-PST if this is possible without overloading teams outside MTV (this will probably get more

Re: [chromium-dev] Re: More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
Maybe we should say at least one PST and at least one non-Americas? Note that even if people outside of the Americas are getting sheriff duty more often, the duty is lighter weight...so I think it balances out fairly well. As we get more non-Americas committers, we can think about adding

[chromium-dev] Do people still use scons to build anymore?

2009-11-13 Thread Chris Bentzel
A number of pages on dev.chromium.org reference scons/hammer as the default tools for Linux builds. I've been using make just fine for the past week. If make is the standard tool now, I'll volunteer to clean up the documentation. Chris -- Chromium Developers mailing list:

[chromium-dev] building without svg

2009-11-13 Thread Evan Martin
I measured that SVG is nearly a sixth of the binary size of a Chrome debug build. That's not only more compile time, it's also more link time for each incremental link and more time for the debugger to grind it when starting gdb. For my day-to-day debugging I would like to build without SVG (and

Re: [chromium-dev] Do people still use scons to build anymore?

2009-11-13 Thread 王重傑
We're still in the middle of switching. I had made a pass over the docs a few weeks ago, but I'm sure I missed some spots. If you see any more spots, or want to do another pass to make sure the docs push people towards the make build by default, it'd be much appreciated! Thanks, Albert On

sheriff's keep the tree *open* WAS: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson fin...@google.comwrote: If the sheriff load is too much for two people to devote 100% of their time to, then there is something wrong with the process. It's

Re: [chromium-dev] building without svg

2009-11-13 Thread Evan Martin
We track total binary size here: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/dashboard/sizes.html I don't know of any place we track per-module sizes. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Eric Seidel esei...@chromium.org wrote: Do we have any hard data about where our binary size goes?  It seems

Re: [chromium-dev] building without svg

2009-11-13 Thread Eric Seidel
Do we have any hard data about where our binary size goes? It seems such data would be very useful. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Evan Martin e...@chromium.org wrote: I measured that SVG is nearly a sixth of the binary size of a Chrome debug build.  That's not only more compile time, it's

Re: sheriff's keep the tree *open* WAS: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
+1 (for what it's worth) On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson fin...@google.comwrote: If the sheriff load is too much for two people

Re: [chromium-dev] Re: [chromium-extensions] openDatabase() maximum size

2009-11-13 Thread Marcos Aruj
It would be nice also for the user to know how much space an extension is using. Like it is for memory usage right now. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Aaron Boodman a...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:07

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Dirk Pranke
Having just come off sheriffing four days in the past two weeks ... On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: At lunch today, a few of us discussed the idea of moving from two sheriffs to four. There are several reasons we contemplated such a change: * The

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: I think two sheriffs in US/Pacific during US/Pacific work hours is plenty. I was told at lunch that we already try to some degree to schedule PST with non-PST people (although obvioulsy there are far more of the former),

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: I think two sheriffs in US/Pacific during US/Pacific work hours is plenty. I was told at lunch that we already try to some degree to schedule

Re: sheriff's keep the tree *open* WAS: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@google.com wrote: The goal of the sheriff is to keep the tree open as long as possible without carpeting over regressions. The sheriff should suffer through minor flakiness without closing the tree (e.g. a couple flaky webkit tests should not

[chromium-dev] Re: OWP feature owners: Please update the OWP roadmap.

2009-11-13 Thread Jeremy Orlow
Thanks Fumitoshi! To _everyone_ else, please do this. (ccing a bunch of people that might have updates) Also, I'm wondering if we shouldn't put our names on the list to make it easier to know who to contact for information about a feature. I personally find it hard to keep up (one of the

Re: [chromium-dev] building without svg

2009-11-13 Thread Marc-Antoine Ruel
Dean had done one, at least on Windows, I don't recall offhand since it's been a while. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Evan Martin e...@chromium.org wrote: We track total binary size here:  http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/dashboard/sizes.html I don't know of any place we track

Re: [chromium-dev] Any interest in command line tools for network stack?

2009-11-13 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Bentzel cbent...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using them as a learning exercise for the network stack - and I'm guessing that they will help debug behavior in the future as well. I don't intend to add additional functionality over the standard tools - in fact,

[chromium-dev] Need help from IME experts

2009-11-13 Thread Nico Weber
Hi, I would appreciate if folks with IME experience could comment on https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31502 . Thanks, Nico ps: If similar mails like this one are sent to, please ignore them. Gmail or groups is acting up. -- Chromium Developers mailing list:

Re: [chromium-dev] Need help from IME experts

2009-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Nico Weber tha...@chromium.org wrote: I would appreciate if folks with IME experience could comment on https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31502 . +CC jshin PK -- Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change

Re: sheriff's keep the tree *open* WAS: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Mark Mentovai
Ojan Vafai o...@google.com wrote: I don't think this is what sheriffs are supposed to do, although there is clearly not consensus here. The goal of the sheriff is to keep the tree open as long as possible without carpeting over regressions. The sheriff should suffer through minor flakiness

Re: [chromium-dev] More sheriffs?

2009-11-13 Thread Mark Mentovai
Peter Kasting wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Stuart Morgan stuartmor...@google.com wrote: If we end up actually having four at a time that seems likely to be worse than two: either four people are doing nothing but sheriffing, which there is probably not enough work for, or all