[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-08-02 Thread Jim Roskind
I think you're somewhat right folks use tabs to enhance or partially replace poor history systems. Instead of going to the root to create a good history system and telling users to stop doing that, perhaps we should be asking how can we enhance what the user wants to do: *Use tabs (in their

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-31 Thread Ben Laurie
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Brian Rakowskibr...@chromium.org wrote: The most promising things I found from the design challenge were the history view in Favitabs n' Drawers (see attached image). The cool thing about it is that it shows how long the tabs were open. I find other history

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-22 Thread Linus Upson
With a good heuristic, I think it will be very unlikely that we'll kill a renderer that has useful state. What are the chances that a tab on a site that I don't go to often, and that I opened 30 tabs ago has js/dom state that is critical for me? Mobile browsers already euthanize unused tabs

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-22 Thread David Levin
There is one internal site that I go to enter some feedback. (It has auto save now but didn't at one point.) Recently I don't go there very often. It is entirely possible (and frequently happens) that I get interrupted while entering feedback and have to look up other information (during which I

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-22 Thread Evan Martin
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Brian Rakowskibr...@chromium.org wrote: I also still like the idea of to read tabs. The challenge is finding a simple gesture that would allow users to identify tabs or links that should go in the to read queue. I feel like this would dramatically cut down on

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-22 Thread Ojan Vafai
There are heuristics we can come up with that are fairly safe. They might be too conservative to be useful though. For example, it should almost always be safe to kill a page that:-has no unload/beforeunload listeners registered -has had no user-interaction that caused JS to execute -has had no

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Dean McNamee
I feel like people are using tabs as a replacement for a good history system. At least in all current browser implementations, tabs are running. Even if we can make the UI scale to 1000 tabs, the 500 flash instances that are likely running aren't really going to perform. The making tab

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Erik Kay
You may be on to something, but I think it's more complex than this. For example bookmark systems don't work because people use them for a number of conflicting purposes (my list of things to read every day, a simple history system, a 'to read' list, a collection of links for research), which

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Scott Hess
+1. There are tabs which I am using and will use consistently all the time (mail, calendar, things like that). For awhile on Firefox I had those pinned and turned into favicon-only tabs using extensions, and it mostly worked well. Then there are collections of on deck tabs associated with

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Amanda Walker
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Erik Kayerik...@chromium.org wrote: In my use case, 80% of my tabs could easily be killed / suspended (or even hidden altogether) without any downside to me.  The problem is that there isn't a way to automatically figure out which ones are which.  Which ones

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Amanda Walker ama...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Erik Kayerik...@chromium.org wrote: In my use case, 80% of my tabs could easily be killed / suspended (or even hidden altogether) without any downside to me. The problem is that

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Is it possible to provide an intuitive UI that allows users to choose which tabs to be suspended?For example, just like users can click buttons on taskbar to pop up a particular window, we could provide a small window that pop-in tabs / windows. And then we can suspend all windows / tab that are

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Scott Hess
I don't think it's reasonable to require the user to specify which tabs to suspend, except, perhaps, if we develop a metric for power-hungry tabs and expose that. I think there is some potential for UI geared towards particular use-cases which could be overloaded to also allow more aggressive

[chromium-dev] Re: Mozilla design challenge

2009-07-21 Thread Alex Russell
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Dean McNameede...@chromium.org wrote: I feel like people are using tabs as a replacement for a good history system.  At least in all current browser implementations, tabs are running.  Even if we can make the UI scale to 1000 tabs, the 500 flash instances