WESTERHAM, MARCH 20TH— Chartwell opened today and remains open through 2
November, although the studio, exhibition room, gardens and estate are open
throughout the year. Opening times are Wednesday through Sunday from 11 am
to 5 pm, with the last house admission at 4:15 pm. Entry fees (house
See Martin Gilbert, Churchill's London, Spinning Top of Memories: Of
Ungrand Places and Moments in Time, http://bit.ly/1j0pIjJ
None of these are in the top ten. All of them are fascinating,
particularly the long, low building near the Serpentine at Hyde Park. Few
know what role it played in
War. He wrote two very mediocre
articles regarding it
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From Editor, *Finest Hour*:
I like Pat Buchanan. Churchill said, I like a man who smiles when he
fights. I helped him research some points for his book. (We are equal
opportunity researchers.) He sent me a signed copy, and I sent
I didn't expect to find myself agreeing with Labour's Shadow Education
Secretary*, *but take a gander at his screed and see what you think:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/04/first-world-war-michael-gove-left-bashing-history
We're going to be reading a lot of silly nonsense
Robert,
This shaggy dog story has come up before*.* See “Hess Flight Authorized?”
in “Datelines,” *Finest Hour* 152, page 9, or the online synopsis:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/in-the-media/churchill-in-the-news/1182-did-hitler-give-the-ok-for-hess-mission-to-england
One point we
On Friday, September 13, 2013 10:23:22 PM UTC-4, Grimsdyke wrote:
In fact Charmley’s whole thesis recalls to my mind a line from the
prolegomenary pages in Lytton Strachey's 'Eminent Victorians': *...the
polemic was cheaper than it should have been because many of its gems were
fakes.*
Before anyone buys McKellen's ten-year-old production on DVD, they might
want to read our review of it, in *Finest Hour* 121, Winter 2003-04, pp.
41-43, viewable on the Churchill Centre website, or contact me offline for
a .pdf.
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I have today replied to a BBC researcher, providing full details of
Churchill and poison gas on Bolsheviks, Iraqis and Nazi Germany. This
could be adapted to our series of Leading Churchill Myths. Text available
by email offline.
I also posted a riposte on the Guardian website:
Clever photo.
On second thought, why offer it privately? Churchillians will need the
ammo. What with the Syria business, people who always equate us with
them will inevitably try to say we were just as bad
My name is Mark Edger and I am a researcher working in the BBC history
development team. I am
On Monday, August 5, 2013 4:33:09 PM UTC-4, Stan A. Orchard wrote:
Ironically, Winston Churchill would have been widely regarded as something
akin to a political terrorist by the rank and file members, and certainly
by the executive, of his own Conservative Party during the abdication
On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:30:08 PM UTC-4, Jonah Triebwasser wrote:
WSC...once called a
political opponent the boneless wonder and who said of the party
opposite during an election that, if they were elected, they would
need to fall back on some kind of Gestapo to implement their
Has anyone any idea who is the only woman (in the middle ground, above
Churchill's cap) on the famous photograph of Churchill on
the east bank of the Rhine on 25 March 1945 :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Churchill_on_the_east_bank_of_the_Rhine.jpg
Antoine, relayed from Paul
Tom, see also the current issue of *Finest Hour,* no. 158 (Spring 2013),
for Leslie Hore-Belisha's How Churchill Influences and Persuades. H-B was
co-sponsor of the no confidence motion in 1942, but WSC never held it
against him, and made him a minister in his 1945 Caretaker government.
*An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.*
Pat: That quote is mangled in a lame attempt to make it into an all-purpose
quip. Correct version:
Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will
eat him last.
--House of Commons, 20
The greatest British friend we have known since Churchill, and one of the
greatest champions of freedom who ever brought help and comfort from
the old world to the new. http://bit.ly/170wpqR
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From Martin Gilbert, Official Biography Vol 8, 1348 (1963):
Among Montague Browne's tasks at this time was to attend a specially
constituted Government Committee, code-named 'Hope Not', to plan for
Churchill's State Funeral. The Committee was chaired by the Duke
of Norfolk. 'WSC knew I was
With regard to Anthony Storr and his theories, the following is among
excerpts from *The Last Lion,* volume 3 *Defender of the Realm 1940-1965, *by
William Manchester and Paul Reid, running in *Finest Hour* 158, Spring
2013, to be published in early April:
*Finest Hour*’s definitive review,
See “In the Field: Churchill and Northey,” by Bill Nanny, *Finest Hour *153,
Winter 2011-12, pages 40-42. A .pdf may be downloaded from our website.
Also use the search engine on winstonchurchill.org and enter “Royal Scots
Fusiliers” for various references.
See also the best
Does it have to be only two books? Let me add agreement that *In Search
of Churchill* is probably Sir Martin's best single book, but his slim and
eloquent *Churchill's Political Philosophy* is also a one-of-a-kind work,
though hard to come by now. (Try bookfinder.com.)
Then there
Sir Martin has been ill for the past year and the work slowed, but I
corresponded recently with a HIllsdale editor who is running down certain
references in his manuscript for 1942--so progress is being made. You might
query Kevin Bishop at Hillsdale College Press: kbishop1 [at]
Sorry to restart a thread, but I don't see Antoine Capet's von Thoma thread
on my browser.
Antoine wrote: Does any List Member know the authority for the words below
attributed to Churchill in anthologies which do not quote their sources : 'I
sympathize with General von Thoma : defeated,
Jason: Obscene is a good word for it. Unethical also fits.
We've already replied to several emails on this, viz:
My first comment is one favored by all writers since Samuel Johnson: Any
review is a good review! (Lest I start another red herring, I am not
asserting that Dr. Johnson actually
The Churchill Papers disclose that WSC used the term “Fifth Column” on at
least twenty-one occasions, 1940-50: eight times during the war and 13
afterward, although four of the latter were in his war memoirs. Thus a
dozen referred to German or Japanese fifth columns and the rest to
Buy it back? He never sold it. From *The Churchill Companion,* just
published by The Churchill Centre, page 26 Timeline:
1946: Needing £12,000 a year to live, Churchill resolves to sell
Chartwell. But friends led by Lord Camrose buy Chartwell for
£43,800, presenting it to the National
:
Amartya Sen, for example, does not blame the famine on Churchill, though
he does place a great deal of the blame on the mechanisms of the Raj that
Amery ran. His classic paper on the subject points to precisely malthusian
thinking that allowing prices to rise while wages were stagnant
Most recently, this accusation stems from the Mukerjee book Churchill's
Secret War.
Arthur Herman reviewed the book at: http://bit.ly/mh2aox.
See also Leading Churchill Myths: Churchill Caused the Bengal Famine at:
http://bit.ly/ksKxGW
That article was a response to a posting on
correction: BIRKENHEAD
On Friday, August 17, 2012 8:24:51 AM UTC-4, Editor, Finest Hour wrote:
*The New York Times* contacted me for confirmation when this story broke
I checked with the Churchill Archives Centre, who did not have a copy of
Fisher's O.M.G. letter to Churchill. However
Arrgh! .could NOT track! Thanks, Antoine:
Incidentally, I could not track O.M.G. or the spelled-out version to
anything Churchill said or wrote, though Roosevelt replied Oh My God over
a silly question in his press conference of 13 March 1945. Churchill's best
friend Lord Birkenhead
We do indeed have the original letter from Lord Fisher to Churchill, dated
9th Sept 1917. It is within the Fisher papers and the catalogue reference
is: FISR 1/25/40-41. The letter actually has a postscript in addition to
the main text shown in the link given below. The postscript goes on to
This news was at first met by much excitement, seeing that 95% of my
reading is now done on the ipad, however looking at reviews of the volumes
of the Second World War they have already scanned and sampling myself, the
volumes are littered with scanning errors which one, makes this
From Finest Hour 107:
Churchill was initiated into Freemasonry at the age of 26 on 24 May
1901. He was passed on July 19th the same year, and raised on 25 March
1902 in Studholme Lodge (now United Studholme Alliance Lodge No.
1591), a few yards from where he was then living in London. He was
Pete, oddly enough, terminological inexactitude was the only
Churchill entry in the 1941 first edition of the Oxford Dictionary of
Quotations; their number has increased somewhat since
But the term has been misinterpreted over the years. Churchill coined
it not to describe an untruth, but
Seriously, is this even worthy of consideration?
Well, somebody DID ask. If we don't refute this stuff, it piles up and
stinks, like dead moss bunkers on the beaches of Staten Island.
A fellow managed to write a whole book about it, and to time it with
the Titanic Centenary and the magic name
If you read the highly critical Roskill Churchill and the Admirals,
be sure to read the other side of the argument, Former Naval Person:
Winston Churchill in the Royal Navy, by Vice Admiral Sir Peter
Gretton (1968).
Also, anything by the authoritative naval and Churchill historians
Barry Gough
Netanyahu is a Churchillilan.See also Eliot Berke, Netanyahu Cites
Churchill in UN General Assembly (unfortunately the accompanying
video is no longer linked on our website):
http://bit.ly/z4uUar
For Mr Berke's review of this speech see Finest Hour 145, page 10. The
issue is downloadable at:
On Mar 6, 1:43 am, Charles Montgomery cgm...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sadly, in 110 years the luck has run out with the advent of new and more
powerful hand held weapons.
I don't think he could see this and the coming barren attempts at
reconciliation, political conversion, and appeasement.
He
On Mar 2, 8:17 am, Keith Leonard k.t.p.leon...@cox.net wrote:
I haven't read Mr. McMenahims' article. Can anyone provide a link?
This is from Michael McMenamin's Finest Hour Department Action This
Day (Churchill's activities 125, 100, 75 and 50 years ago), from the
current issue, Winter 2011-12,
http://richardlangworth.com/cruiseship
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I don’t know about the dead ones, but he raised live butterflies
starting in 1939 and again after Chartwell was opened up after the
war. The butterfly “farm” was set up with the help of Hugh Newman, who
described the events in Finest Hour 89, Winter 1995-96, starting at
page 34; a .pdf can be
Finest Hour 152 (Autumn 2011) carried a note (p9) deflating the latest
balloon about the Hess flight being authorized by Hitler (another
twist on the endless nonsense spawned when Rudolf Hess, as he later
told Albrecht Speer, was inspired in a dream by supernatural forces.
Of the Kilser book,
FINEST HOUR 152 (Autumn 2011, p 9) carried a note exploding the latest
balloon floated over the Hess flight: that it was authorized by Hitler
himself--part of the endless skein of imaginings to explain why Rudolf
Hess, as he later told Albrecht Speer, was inspired to fly off to
Britain in a dream
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the pajamas of those who
misquote me on the web.
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Finest Hour has a review of this play by Allen Packwood for
publication in the Winter issue #153. It is not yet up on our website.
For an advance copy email rlangwo...@winstonchurchill.org
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On Sep 4, 3:45 pm, Sandy Finlayson bbcradio...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any indication of when this book will be available in the States?
Lady Soames advises that the American edition will be published by
Random House next May; but also that the UK edition being published
next week will be
Greg, here is the entry in Curt Zoller's Bibliography of Works About
Sir Winston Churchill (Sharpe, 2004), copies of which are I think
still available from The Churchill Centre:
A15. Germains, Victor Wallace. The Tragedy Of Winston Churchill.
London: Hurst and Blackett, 1931, 288 pp.
Can anyone verify my recollection that Eisenhower's oil portrait of
Churchill, presented to WSC in 1959 but now apparently owned by the
Eisenhower family, was a copy of the famous 1941 Arthur Pan portrait?
Can anyone put me on to a picture of the Eisenhower version? (As I
recall it was crude,
Coombs no. 247 is illustrated on page 74 of Winston Churchill: His
Life Through His Paintings by David Coombs and Minnie Churchill
(London: Pegasus, 2003) as Fig. 124: The Pont du Gard, Nimes.
We may assume that it has appreciated somewhat since 1981.
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There are at least 15 references to this quote, and though published
sources don't always agree (as I have had to learn repeatedly), in
this case they are united, and Dave is right:
It's unable to flush its sewers and not unable to flush its own
sewers.
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Paul, thanks. Most sources I checked say WSC made this remark during
the coronation, but Lady Soames in her CLEMENTINE CHURCHILL says he
made it as Queen Elizabeth (the later Queen Mum) was crowned--so I
think your interpretation that he was referring to Walllis could be
right. I
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Correction: The King's Speech is a film not a TV docu-drama. Sorry!
I'll probably tone this down by the time it hits print. :-)
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Why is this shaggy dog story still an issue? Ron Helgemo disposed of
it a decade or more ago:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/he-knew-of-pearl-harbour-attack
Let's move on to the much more
Try deleting previous messages in boxes to shorten these replies.
There were also airborne battleships with pneumatic bags designed to
lift them out of the water to clear shallow spots in a propsed
invasion of the Baltic in 1939 (FINEST HOUR 94, Spring 1997, p7). But
neither this nor the iceberg
A half-hour's troll through the past two years' worth of Finest Hour
and the Chartwell Bulletin produced this list of activities and some
of the people responsible. I'm sure there are more.
First UK Teacher Seminar with NEH grant support, Suzanne Sigman, 2007
Churchill in Advance Placement
Dean-LOL. Just goes to show, wherever you look, WSC has been there,
done that.
By the waydid he really kill a Boer at Witbank? (Finest Hour 49).
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Wouldn't it be more appropriate if people in positions of influence checked
the facts before making false statements?
In today's ratings-driven 24/7 news media? You must be an optimist.
We remember the sardonic war-time joke about the optimist and the
pessimist. The optimist was the man who
See Butterflies to Chartwell, by Hugh Newman (whose father supplied
them to WSC), Finest Hour 89, pp 34-39.
Also bodyguard Ron Golding's recollections of how WSC responded to a
butterfly man when he became a little too patronizing: Guarding
Greatness, Finest Hour 143. p 32, column 1.
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Antoine, See Winston is Back and Bust-Out 2013 in Finest Hour 142,
pages 78, and/or http://xrl.us/bhwooo
Diana West wrote on Townhall.com: 'In his Dreams of My Father, Obama
describes his grandfather’s detention as lasting “over six months”
before he was found innocent (no mention of torture).
We seem to be witnessing an August bumper crop (premature; they
usually come in the dead of winter when people have more time on their
hands) of Outrageous Declarations about Winston Churchill. See the
myths section of our website, particularly this one:
Is the news so slow that they have to regurgitate stuff Martin Gilbert
took care of years ago?
Finest Hour 115, Summer 2002 Datelines:
London, October 21st— What does all this stuff abut flying saucers
amount to?..WSC's advisers produced a six-page report [which]
played down the
Kevin Clancy, head of Historical Services at the Royal Mint,
added...to mark the 70 years that have passed since he was Prime
Minister we're immensely proud to have designed a new £5 coin
featuring an iconic Churchillian image, to help his memory live on.
Has anyone located on the a photo of
David:
Quite right, haste makes waste. It's Dominic Lawson. Will fix on
website. Praise Jehovah, who giveth cut-and-paste.
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Niels: What you are listening to is likely a postwar recording of the
speech which Churchill made for HMV/Decca, which was edited and
truncated in later versions. However, the June 18th speech was
rebroadcast in full by Churchill that evening on the BBC.
The Levenger book recommended by Jon
Bill: Chris Sterling rightly recommends BURYING CEASAR, a balanced
work taking advantage of newly released material. Til Kinzel reviewed
this book in FINEST HOUR 115 and it is posted on our website:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/component/content/article/18-book-reviews/190-burying-caesar
The
Anyone who does not believe this should read The Times for the
following day, in which a leading article attacked Churchill, saying that
The Home Secretary had no business interfering with the arrangements made
by the Chief Constable.
Not new for THE TIMES. See Randolph Churchill, Leading
Jon, many thanks. Thus far we can only conclude this remark was made
passim, but it would seem logical that he might have said it to the
noble souls at Bletchley on his visit.
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Dear Daniel,
Glad to do so. Please contact me offline: tcc-...@sneakemail.com
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Jason, may I respectfully point out that though these are sharp
posters, many of the quotations are either misquotes, or words
Churchill never said. There is no excuse for this anymore. We sent the
Art of Manliness people a note to this effect, offering to fix them,
but had no response.
Richard Geshke has it right: Winston was a constant sipper. I never
heard any stories of a drunk Churchill. The 1946 retort to Bessie
Braddock, that she was ugly but he would be sober in the morning
(adapted from W.C. Fields), was fired off because he was not drunk
(leaving the House of Commons),
According to Lord Moran, (Churchill: The Struggle for Survival,
556), WSC offered this charming P.S. when Dick Molyneaux died in 1954
(Churchill by Himself, 461):
He will take my skin with him, a kind of advance guard, into the next
world.
Guess I don't know my Irishmen--WSC's quote sounds like
On Jun 3, 3:19 am, Paul Courtenay nd...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
I certainly read in someone's memoirs or diaries that a theatre audience
stood and applauded, but I can't remember whose.
Following on to Paul, and Tony's question as to whether a 1945 theatre
audience ovation actually occurred,
For those who have asked, from Douglas Jeffrey, Hillsdale College
Press:
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We are expecting to receive shipment of Volume V and Document Volumes
11, 12 and 13, during the week of July 6th. As for Document Volumes 8,
9 and 10 (i.e., the Vol IV companions), yes, they are
Anfa's message reminds me that I also read this book when researching the
life of T S Eliot. It was in 1960 in Tangiers when Moran introduced WSC to
the poet and Winston didn't appear to know of him! I wonder what that says
about our man at this time of his life?
Bob: Interesting. Some
I take the liberty of starting a new string. Andy MacBrayne wrote that
historian Geoffrey Roberts believes the Churchill-Stalin Percentages
agreement was irrelevant, did not condemn Eastern Europe to communism,
nor save Greece from it: http://www.historia.ru/2003/01/roberts.htm
After stripping
I don't get it. What is there to edit? You get the original book and you
reprint it. I don't want it changed. I want to read the original text. I
don't even care if there is a new introduction.
If you want to read the original, buy a reading copy. If you don't
insist on a prime first
I wouldn’t read much into this, or think it suggests any profound
political point. Nor is it important in which order the Secretary of
State lists European allies. And Mr. Obama is a smart fellow. He
probably appreciates that the Parliamentary forms extant in Kenya stem
from the colonial British,
Pete: Ron Cohen has replied to your ISLAND RACE query above. He is not
a Chatlist member but may be contacted offline:
r...@chartwellcomm.com
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Ron Cohen writes:
A minor point, but your bibliographical reference to The Island Race
that is incorrect. That derivative work is Cohen A275. As to
Ronald Cohen is best equipped to answer this but he may not be on the
Chatlist. I have forwarded your query to him for a reply. -Richard L.
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Just to let you know, it is now known as the South African war and not as
the Anglo-Boer war or the very Apartheid era term Boer war.
By whom? Incidentally, de jure Apartheid began in 1948, nearly half a
century after the end of the Second (as pedants like to designate
it) Boer War.
I do not
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