Re: [cia-drugs] Secular Pen-Pals vs. Pen-Pal ministry

2005-08-16 Thread E Bryant Holman
Are Buddhists allowed to join this?

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 Dear Saints!

 After our first publication How To Do a Pen-Pal Ministry I
 received many letters.

 As we have announced, we will go through the entire article
 together, paragraph-by-paragraph, discussing it, giving feedback and
 bringing samples from our experience to prove the point.

 But first we have to clarify one issue.

 Much of first-wave mail came criticizing Church-based approach to
 Pen-Pal ministry. I deeply respect all opinions, as they have come
 from concerned people who took their time to share a thought. I
 really appreciate all the mail. I think we have a mixture of
 opinions coming from two perspectives. (There are values in both!)

 Let's have a subject for our discussion in the upcoming week - What
 is the difference between Secular Pen-Pal letter-writing and Pen-Pal
 Ministry?

 All opinions, even controversial ones, will be published!

 It will be conducted here:

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pen-Pal
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 Agape!

 Elena,
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 Suggested Prison Ministry newsgroups:
 http://www.prison-ministries.com
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 PS. If you are reading this message and not a part of Pen-Pal
 Ministry group (maybe you simply have a loved one in chains!),
 listen to your heart - it might be God, Who is calling you to
 contribute to this conversation and be heard! You are much welcomed
 to join us!

 You can subscribe by going to:

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 I pray to our Lord Jesus right now, as I type this message:


 Father, make this discussion available to a broad audience, bring
 new people, let us be guided, sharpened as Your tools as we learn
 from You, through mail from participants, how to do a Pen-Pal
 ministry - not our humanistic way, but Your way! Show us how to
 reveal Your Good News of Salvation, Your forgiveness and mercy to
 lonely astonished hearts in remote forgotten cells! Give us
 knowledge how to speak in Love to someone who did a horrible crime,
 as well as to an innocent, who is behind a barbed wire fence by
 mistake or circumstances. Teach us how to be helpful as You bring
 back home inmates not as criminals who have served time, but as
 new creatures in Christ, as new law-abiding citizens of this society
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[cia-drugs] Crawford T-Shirts Bumper Stickers

2005-08-16 Thread Bob
Chickenhawk On Deck: Bring Em On

WMD: Gitme or Gitmo(love it or leave it)

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Pinochet Enlargement: Bush-Pinochet HMX IED's

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[cia-drugs] Where Did Turkey Go?

2005-08-16 Thread Bob
The neocon goal of dividing Iraq in three has been
achieved.

Saddam left HMX guarded under UN seal. Bush cut
the seal and pulled security out. Sunnis are using
the HMX against US and Iraqi forces.

Iran-controlled Bader Shiites control the secret
police. They have secret prisons. They are death
squadding hundreds of Sunnis each month,
incited by Mao-Mao Countergang operations
blowing up Shiites at or near mosques in the
name of Sunnis. This makes HMX work against
Sunni interests, but they have 380 tons of HMX,
which leads Shiites to blame Sunnis.

The US has given the Iraqi military to the Kurds.
In the beginning of the war, Turkey promised to
invade Kurdish areas of Iraq if the US were to
grant independence to the Kurds, because
that would destabilize predominantly or
significantly Kurdish areas of Turkey. Now that
the US has given the Iraqi military to the Kurds,
where is Turkey on this issue?

-Bob


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Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Message to bush administration and dishonest media whores...New media email addy

2005-08-16 Thread Arlene Johnson




It may sound pompous Marsha, but my "committee" is the world. Whomever wants to establish a boycott of O'Reilly's advertisers, you can be sure that I will include it under the icon on my site that says Boycotts We Support just as soon as my Webbie places it there.

In virtually every Email signature I send, I include the sentence which says "Be sure to click on the icon that says Boycotts We Support, too. You'll be glad you did." This is due to the fact that nearly every day I add new supporters to my e-zine, and by the time they had waded through the first three editions of the zine to get to the edition in which that feature began, so much time would haveelapsed in gaining their support for these boycotts that I made the decision to add the icon so people could check out the boycotts much sooner than they otherwise would have.

Peace,

Arlene Johnson
Publisher/Author
http://www.truedemocracy.net-Original Message- From: Marsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Aug 15, 2005 6:37 PM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Message to bush administration and dishonest media whores...New media email addy Yep, Arlene...we can do that too...Let's set up the commitee ASAPSeeing this message...decided to send this already informed groupSubj: About fox news...to FORUM_FOR_DISCLOSURES-[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Date: 8/15/2005 11:17:51 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Mofmars3 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], -[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Alan Dicey"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Marsha, I do not have the opportunity to catch the O'Reilly program so Ineed your help. Who are the program's sponsors? I would like to start a serious Boycott of them. Sure, that is the way to get the guy off the air, simply haveeveryone write the sponsors and tell them we will not purchase or use theirservices until they get the jerk off the air. A Boycott is a great tool. One great boycott that we all know about happened in Boston Harborwhen a group of patriots stormed upon a docked ship and threw boxes ofEnglish tea overboard to protest the "taxation without representation". Yes, let us start a Boycott, but I need a list of sponsors thatfinance the O'Reilly program. Can you or someone else provide it to us. Best Regards, Alan Dicey Miami, Florida "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson, founder of the Democratic Party  From: "Marsha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:12 am Subject: Re: Dear Marsha, Important message to special Spiritual and Patriot groups mofmars3 Offline Send Email  Hello Alan and everyone...I don't know who fox's sponsors are but wecan find out...I try to watch but I will be having another surgeryvery soon...I consult later today so I won't be much help for alittle while, I'm afraidMaybe others could reports back to you bout who their sponsorsare?...You may want to ask [EMAIL PROTECTED] watch fox, sowe don't have to...actually I'll send a copy of this to them andmaybe they'll answer "US"...and I'll put The Newshounds info here tooThey may know who their sponsors are...a serious boycott? Thatwould be great...I'm sure the Newshounds will help as I'm sure that'sone of the purposes behind all the great work they do...Maybe youcould send them copies of your progress in the boycott?...I try toremember to send them copies of what I do in that areaOur WETHEPEOPLE_UNITEDhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED/ And all theactivist groups will help pyramid out the boycott all overeverywhere...WTP_U is the sign up post for "The We The People UnitedGlobal Movement"...We need more of those like you Alan so please see the invitation atthe end here so you can learn a little about "US" and decide if youwant to join...We need you all...Group owners especially...We alreadyhave your group owner The Wonderful and Amazing Jack Topal standingwith "US"...He's one of the many busy group owners who stands in nameonly because he already has his own important agenda...By theway...where is Jack?...He hasn't been posting to the forum for awhile now...Is he okay?...I hopeStanding with "US" is plenty...We gain strength in numbers and a loudvoice that won't be ignored...We have many patriot sister groups nowstanding with "US" and are on the move, big timeHugs and Blessings,MarshaSign up with The News HoundsNews Hounds Media Digest # 448/7/05 to 8/14/051. NewsHounds: "Off-the-chart left". That's what off-the-chart nutsBill O'Reilly said as he waved News Hounds front page around lastThursday night. Of course in Fox-world, anyone left of Zell Miller isoff the charts!http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/11/news_hounds_on_the_oreilly_factor.php#more2. Ellen: It was a Hannity  Colmes segment (8/9/05) ostensibly abouther just-announced candidacy for the US Senate but Katherine Harris(the Cruella De Vil of the 2000 election) kept 

[cia-drugs] We People United Global Movement New Third Party

2005-08-16 Thread Marsha
We People United Global Movement  New Third Party

demarcate? republican?...same team...different names...They do not have 
the best interest of our people at heart anymore

Politics is past illusion to help keep US divided...They 
scream...Stay out of itIt's politics...So we have been allowing 
them to throw out and never defend truth and right from wrong...

Urgent news, soon, coming from multiple and reliable sources concerning 
the new third party that will sweep the corruption clean...When the 
patriot call comes, we are counting on enough of you to answer it...

Marsha

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[cia-drugs] Warning Letter from a Police Officer - Dusted Off

2005-08-16 Thread Kay Lee






Tuesday, August 16, 2005

Warning Letter from a Police Officer

I'm sharing the followingstorywith an additionalquestion 
of my own: So what do we do? 

1. Add another chemical to the drug war's list of banned substances, 
add a multitude of youngsters to the drug war's arrestable people list; and 
write laws that would lock up the parents of the dead child in the name of the 
drug war? 

2.Have Falcon add warning labels so that parents can educate 
their children and regulate the product so that ID is required for 
purchase?

Thank you for thinking this thing through.
Kay LeeMaking The Walls Transparenthttp://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke 


1. Urban Legends Reference Pages: Toxins (Dusted 
Off)  Have adolescents died of huffing from cans of Dust-Off brand 
compressed air?


Dusted Off
Claim:Adolescents huffing cans of 
Dust-Off brand compressed air have died.
Status:  True. Example:  [Collected on the 
Internet, 2005] 

Subject: (Compressed Air) DUST OFF - WARNING
First I'm going to tell you 
a little about me and my family. My name is Jeff. I am a Police Officer for a 
city which is known nationwide for its crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and 
drugs. At one point we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per 
capita. I also have a police K-9 named Thor. He was certified in 
drugs and general duty. He retired at 3 years old because he was 
shot in the line of duty. He lives with us now and I still train with him 
because he likes it. I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring 
drugs into my house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you. The reason I 
say this is so you understand that I know about drugs. I have taught in schools 
about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at least once a week if they used any 
drugs. Makes them promise they wont. I like building computers 
occasionally and started building a new one in February 2005. I also was working 
on some of my older computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to 
the computer store I bought a 3 pack of DUST OFF. Dust Off is a can 
of compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I went to 
use them they were all used. I talked to my kids and my 2 sons both 
said they had used them on their computer and messing around with them. I yelled 
at them for wasting the 10 dollars I paid for them. On 
February 28 I went back to the computer store. They didn't have the 
3 pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo can of 
Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer. On March 1st I 
left for work at 10 PM. At 11 PM my wife went down and kissed Kyle 
goodnight. At 530 am the next morning Kathy went downstairs to wake 
Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He was sitting up in bed with his 
legs crossed and his head leaning over. She called to him a few times to get up. 
He didn't move. He would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back 
asleep. He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He fell 
over. He was pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can coming out of 
his mouth. He had the new can of Dust Off in his hands. Kyle was dead. I 
am a police officer and I had never heard of this. My wife is a nurse and she 
had never heard of this. We later found out from the coroner, after the autopsy, 
that only the propellant from the can of Dust off was in his system. No other 
drugs. Kyle had died between midnight and 1 Am. I found out 
that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9 through 15. They even 
have a name for it. It's called dusting. A take off from the Dust Off name. It 
gives them a slight high for about 10 seconds. It makes them dizzy. 
A boy who lives down the street from us showed Kyle how to do this about a month 
before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was cool and it couldn't hurt 
you. Its just compressed air. It cant hurt you. His best friend said no. 
Kyle's death Kyle was wrong. It's not just compressed air. It 
also contains a propellant. I think its R2. Its a refrigerant like what is used 
in your refrigerator. It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, 
it fills your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out. That's why you 
feel dizzy, buzzed. It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your heart. Kyle 
was right. It cant hurt you. IT KILLS YOU. The horrible part about this is there 
is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not cumulative or an 
overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong. Roll the dice and if your 
number comes up you die. ITS NOT AN OVERDOSE. Its Russian roulette. You don't 
die later. Or not feel good and say I've had too much. You usually die as your 
breathing it in. If not you die within 2 seconds of finishing "the 
hit." That's why the straw was still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eye's 
were still open. The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't 
believe its huffing. As adults we tend to lump many things 

[cia-drugs] Fwd: Oil Industry

2005-08-16 Thread RoadsEnd


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Re: [cia-drugs] Crawford T-Shirts Bumper Stickers

2005-08-16 Thread Lowell byrd



HEY!, BOBwhur is Sonny's Surplus? I wanna git my yunnngn one of them thar polished-up Cherry Humvees to take to the American Indian Annual Picnic this fall (does it still have armor on it?)Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [cia-drugs] Where Did Turkey Go?

2005-08-16 Thread Lowell byrd



They are eatingTURKEY!
(please smile)Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The neocon goal of dividing Iraq in three has beenachieved.Saddam left HMX guarded under UN seal. Bush cutthe seal and pulled security out. Sunnis are usingthe HMX against US and Iraqi forces.Iran-controlled Bader Shiites control the secretpolice. They have secret prisons. They are deathsquadding hundreds of Sunnis each month,incited by Mao-Mao Countergang operationsblowing up Shiites at or near mosques in thename of Sunnis. This makes HMX work againstSunni interests, but they have 380 tons of HMX,which leads Shiites to blame Sunnis.The US has given the Iraqi military to the Kurds.In the beginning of the war, Turkey promised toinvade Kurdish areas of Iraq if the US were togrant independence to the Kurds, becausethat would destabilize predominantly orsignificantly Kurdish areas of Turkey. Now
 thatthe US has given the Iraqi military to the Kurds,where is Turkey on this issue?-Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!.~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OMYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
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[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Oil Industry

2005-08-16 Thread mark urban
there is some disinfo in this article. Kruparak has much more oil 
than 6 billion barrels. there is no mention of gull island. 


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[cia-drugs] exodus time?

2005-08-16 Thread phoenix420
Anyone who thinks Kris is a disinfo gatekeeper, please feel free to  
depart this forum asap, start your own group or join one of the  
thousands of others already on the web.

If you truly believe Kris is being managed by the cia or the masons  
or whatever...why waste any more of your precious time talking in his  
forum? Frankly I'm tired of your allegations and the frequent  
attempts to wear Kris down spiritually and emotionally.

I find Kris' posts to be of great interest, and believe he is a  
national treasure, while I've found nothing of interest in anything  
posted by his detractors, including Tim.

Stew Webb is a wingnut, always was, always will be. Not a single real  
researcher in the world takes anything Stew Webb says seriously.

To engage in massive flamewars with and about wingnuts is a common  
disruption technique. Any intelligent person knows wingnuts are tar  
babies...drawing attention to them only gives them more credibility  
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[cia-drugs] Fwd: The Roosevelts/Hays/Bullochs/Robbins/Delanos

2005-08-16 Thread RoadsEnd


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 * Archibald Bulloch, (1730-1777), he was a delegate,
 Continental Congress from Georgia, 1775; and the first
 provisional governor of the Georgia, 1776-77. He was
 also the father of William Bellinger Bulloch;
 great-great-grandfather of Theodore Roosevelt and the
 great-great-great-grandfather of Theodore Roosevelt,
 Jr.

 * Edward Hutchinson Robbins, (1758-1837), he was the
 Lieutenant Governor of the state of Massachusetts,
 1802-06. He was also the great-great-grandfather of
 Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

 # Warren Delano Robbins, (1885-1935), he was the U.S.
 Minister, El Salvador, 1928; and U.S. Minister,
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 * William Bellinger Bulloch, (1777-1852), he was the
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 * James I. Roosevelt, (1795–1875), U.S. Representative
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 o Robert B. Roosevelt, (1829–1906), U.S.
 Representative from New York, 1871–1873; U.S. Minister
 to The Netherlands, 1888–1889. He was also the nephew
 of James I. Roosevelt.

 + Theodore Roosevelt, (1858–1919), colonel in U.S.
 Army during Spanish-American War; governor of New
 York, 1899–1901; Vice President of the United States,
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 Progressive Party nominee for President, 1912. He was
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 # Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (1887–1944), colonel in the
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 # Kermit Roosevelt 1889–1943, British and American
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 # Eleanor Roosevelt, (1884–1962), First Lady of the
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 # Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882–1945), governor of
 New York, 1929–1933; 32nd President of the United
 States, 1933–1945; fourth cousin once removed and
 nephew by marriage of Theodore Roosevelt, husband of
 Eleanor Roosevelt.

 * James Roosevelt (1907–1991), U.S. Representative
 from California, 1955–1965; son of Franklin Delano
 Roosevelt.

 * Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jr. (1914–1988), U.S.
 Representative from New York, 1949–1955; son of
 Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

 * Helen Roosevelt Robinson, (b. 1881), she was an
 alternate delegate, Republican National Convention
 from New York, 1940. She was also the half-niece of
 Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the half-first cousin of
 Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jr..

 # Robert Barnwell Roosevelt, (1829-1906), member, U.S.
 house of representative, New York's 4th District,
 1871-73 and the U.S. Minister, Netherlands, 1888-89.

 # Nicholas Roosevelt, (1893-1982), he served in the
 U.S. Army during WWI; U.S. Minister, Hungary, 1930-33
 and member, Council on Foreign Relations.He was the
 fifth cousin of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and third
 cousin of Eleanor Roosevelt

 # Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980), she was a
 delegate, Republican National Convention of Ohio,
 1940. She was the daughter of Theodore Roosevelt and
 the half-sister of Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.; she
 married Nicholas Longworth Jr. on February 17, 1906;
 (Note: Books about Alice Roosevelt Longworth: Carol
 Felsenthal, Princess Alice: The Life and Times of
 Alice Roosevelt Longworth)

 + William Collins Whitney, (1841-1904), he was a
 delegate, Democratic National Convention from New
 York, 1876; U.S. Secretary of the Navy, 1885-89;
 established the Naval War College, in Newport, Rhode
 Island; delegate, New York state constitutional
 convention, 7th District, in 1894. He was also the
 grandfather of John Hay Whitney.

 # John Hay Whitney (1904-1982) He served in the U.S.
 Army Air Force, WWII; alternate delegate, Republican
 National Convention from New York, 1956; U.S.
 Ambassador, Great Britain, 1957-61. He was also a
 financier and publisher, New York Herald Tribune. He
 was the grandson of John Milton Hay and William
 Collins Whitney and he married the ex-wife of James I.
 Roosevelt.

 + John Milton Hay, (1838-1905), He was U.S.
 Ambassador, Great Britain, 1893-98 and U.S. Secretary
 of State, 

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2005-08-16 Thread RoadsEnd


Begin forwarded message:From: kennnthomasSubject: hastert/edmonds the dead drops were in dupage forest preserves created and controlled byhasterts owners jim schirott and dallas ingemunson who also controlledthe forest preserve police.they used fairly high up mafia functionaries as cut out to place andpick up dead drops. they prepared special maps with red dots on them somafiosos wouldnt get lost.  Frank Panno was one prolific courier. hesin prison now for kidnapping caucasian babies and women and selling themas sex slaves to foreign vip's.they formed a dummy corporation on sept 18, 1992 called NIAGARA INCincorporated in illinois to cover all that.i have numerous docs, phone records, notes from secreteries etc thatprove all this and i have managed to find time to scan a few of them.intriguingly, the actual shipping was done by a falsely createdpersonality, terrance rich, whose real name is robert masterson and whohappens to be a dead ringer for the guy who invented the bar codereader.gov jim edgar spent a lot of weekends on the masterson estate- and hestill believes the bar code reader was the source of mastersonsincredible and ostentatious wealth.  I forget the name of the guymasterson impersonated. he recently died so it would be an EXCELLENTTIME to mail a package of proof to edgars office at SIU.  you can google"bar code reader " i justremembered his first name is "jerome " {ithink} and there are lots of photos on the internet.  when edgar seesthem he will go nuts.  mastersons office is accross the street fromhasterts, and its NOT a coincidence.i am not optimistic that any of this will ever get anywhere.  i'm justdoing the minimum required by basic decency - whch is also a gooddescription of patrick fitzgeraldkthomas   





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[cia-drugs] Orwellian Doublethink In London

2005-08-16 Thread norgesen







Orwellian Doublethink In London



If liberty means anything at 
all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George 
Orwell
Related: Prisonplanet.tv Reading Room: 1984 By George 
Orwell
It was quite simple. All that 
was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality 
control," they called it: in Newspeak, "doublethink." - George Orwell (Nineteen 
Eighty Four)
During Alex Jones' flying visit 
to London we experienced again and again instances of what George Orwell penned 
as "Doublethink". As experts on Orwell's novel we were shocked to see how far 
down the line our society has gone towards actually becoming Nineteen Eighty 
Four. 
Five years ago I concentrated on 
Orwell's novel for my University dissertation, I had concluded that Orwell's 
novel was one of extreme importance and artistic quality due to the fact that it 
continued to provide us with a warning of what we could become and how we must 
resist such an eventuality. Now, I am sorry to say, we are in that eventuality. 
We can still get out though, it is not too late, there are still more 
"oldthinkers" than there are "newthinkers", or those who engage in 
doublethink.
The first instance of doublethink 
we happened upon in London concerned the masses of surveillance cameras that 
have gone up everywhere. Upon noticing a pole with at least four or five black 
cameras on it, we interviewed an employee of the Hard Rock Cafe establishment in 
the vicinity. He stated that "there are a lot of things going on in London that 
need to be kept track of." He then went on to reveal he had been working in he 
cafe for over a year and had never noticed the cameras. Furthermore he told us 
"I choose to ignore them, for me they do not exist". Shocked and horrified we 
asked for clarification, praying we had misheard what he had said. "Those 
cameras do not exist" he reiterated.
This is classic doublethink. The 
man knows that the cameras do exist but chooses to believe they do not 
exist!
His mind slid away into the 
labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of 
complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold 
simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory 
and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality 
while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the 
Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to 
forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, 
and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process 
to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce 
unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of 
hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word "doublethink" 
involved the use of doublethink. - George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty 
Four)
We traveled on and discovered a 
second site at London Bridge, where a massive pole was still being fitted deep 
into the ground. All along the pole were not just cameras but motion detectors 
and some other form of scanning technology. In total there must have been 15-20 
pieces of surveillance technology on one large black pole. Ironically, as I was 
shooting video, two policemen walked by, pointing at the pole and seemingly 
questioning what on earth it was all for. 
However, when we kept rolling and 
Alex started commentating on the Orwellian aspects of the fixture, patrons in 
the cafe behind us began laughing and pointing at us. Alex then noticed one man 
was physically shaking with anger and commenting that he should assault us. All 
this because we were daring to film the cameras and question why they were 
there. Alex then asked them if they would comment on the cameras and they 
refused to. They seemed to be unaware even of who George Orwell was or what 
Nineteen Eighty Four is. It is true that now more people know Big Brother 
as a tv show, than know it as the Primary controlling overlord of Orwell's 
novel.
Alex joked that the national 
symbol of Britain, the Union Jack (we were then berated and told it is a bulldog 
- which is not true, we don't put a picture of a bulldog behind Tony Blair when 
he conducts speeches) had been replaced by the surveillance camera. The people 
around us failed to grasp that this was a joke, an analogy for the fact that 
there are more of these cameras in plain view than there are Union Jacks. They 
again became aggressive.
This is akin to another form of 
Orwellian doublethink - Crimestop: "The faculty of stopping short, as though 
by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of 
not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of 
misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of 
being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is 

[cia-drugs] Terror Expert Admits Government Sponsored Terror

2005-08-16 Thread norgesen






Media Darling 
Terror Expert Admits Government Sponsored Terror
Loftus Says Rogue Elements of 
intelligence Agencies Protecting Terrorists
Steve Watson/Infowars | August 5 
2005
We have continually documented how those at the top of 
British and US intelligence services have again and again recruited, funded and 
employed useful terrorists. In 1993, the bomb used in the first WTC attack was cooked by 
the FBI and the driver was under their instruction. It was the same 
story in 1995 with the destruction of the Alfred P Murrah Building in 
Oklahoma, again the Feds were implicated, the stooges were under their control. 
And we know for a fact that Bin Laden was a protected 
CIA asset, he even had the codename Tim 
Osman.
We have previously revealed how former MI5 officer David 
Shayler has alleged, and French intel sources have corroborated, that the 
MI6 paid a Libyan al-Qa'ida cell £100,000 in 1995 to assassinate colonel 
Qaddafi. The use of the group that has come to be known as "Al Qaeda" as assets 
by Intelligence services the world over is well documented.
So It came as little surprise that the so called 
mastermind of the 7/7 London Bombings was in the employ of British Intelligence. 

The July 29 edition of FOX News Channel's Day Side programme 
revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, had been working for MI6. Former Justice 
Dept. prosecutor and Terror expert John Loftus revealed that the 
Al-Muhajiroun group, based in London had formed during the Kosovo crisis, 
during which Fundamentalist Muslim Leaders were recruited by MI6 to fight in 
Kosovo.
Mr Loftus Appeared on The Alex Jones Show earlier this 
week and revealed even more detail concerning the case of Aswat and the "War on 
terror". Although it seemed that Loftus was reluctant to accept that time and 
time again the "failures" of the Intelligence agencies are more than just 
coincidence, he had no choice but to verify the stone cold facts that Alex 
presented him with during the 20 minute interview.


Loftus firstly pointed out that the Israeli services have 
long known that British Intelligence have allowed Muslim extremists to train and 
recruit in Britain with the promise of safe haven so long as British interests 
are kept off the hit list.
Loftus went on to spell out that British Intelligence and 
the US dept of Justice had protected Haroon Rashid Aswat before in 1999 when he 
traveled to America. The Justice Department failed to indict Aswat as he 
attempted to set 
up a terrorist training school in Oregon:
"His superiors, his subordinates were indicted, not 
him. The New York office claims The British told them he was dead, he wasn't 
dead he was hiding in South Africa." Loftus highlighted.
Aswat was then allowed back into Britain just weeks before 
the bombings even though he was on a watch list and was a known terrorist and a 
wanted man. Mr Loftus made this clear in explicit detail:
"The only explanation is that the Arab Newspapers were 
right and this guy was working for the British Secret service."
COINCIDENCE?
When questioned over the drills 
that were being operated on 7/7 at the exact same times and locations as the 
bombings, Loftus asserted that it "was a coincidence, a lot of those are run, 
there is no conspiracy there". Yet as we have reported, the chances of this 
happening are literally millions to one.
Furthermore Loftus suggested that Tony Blair and the 
British Government had no knowledge of Aswat and that opportunist bureaucrats in 
MI6 were to blame. Alex pointed out that even if this was the case there are 
compartmentalized crime groups within the intelligence services that are funding 
Al Qaeda leaders to attack Western citizens. This equates to Government 
Sponsored terror. Loftus could only agree:
"Boy you have put your finger right on it there. There 
are compartmentalized groups who engage in crimes. Are these authorized by the 
Government or is it wink and a nod stuff? We haven't got to the bottom of this 
yet and a lot of us are very very concerned."
Mr Loftus then reasserted what Alex has been addressing 
for a long time now, that the whole Al Qaeda Phenomenon began in the mid forties 
as the CIA was recruiting Nazi Arabs. In the mid eighties Loftus himself 
testified before Congress on the illegal use of Nazi war criminals by US 
intelligence.
"The Muslim Brotherhood was an Arab Nazi Movement. The 
CIA shredded all its files on the Muslim Brotherhood, but you can find out 
what's in them by doing a google search on two words - Banna and the second word 
is Nazi. Search those two words and you're gonna find about 20-30 very 
interesting articles on how this whole Al qaeda stuff began. It began in 1945 
when the British recruited this Nazi Arab Movement, The Muslim Brotherhood, CIA 
took them over in the Early 50s, we hid them in Saudi Arabia."
Loftus pointed out that Saddam Hussian was a member of the 
Brotherhood by proxy through his family who were directly recruited by the CIA 
in the 50s. And all 

[cia-drugs] Iran, Cuba to issue Joint stamp

2005-08-16 Thread CAIN of Nod





http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0508162243124144.htm

Iran, Cuba to issue Joint 
stamp


Iran-Cuba-Stamp Iran and Cuba will issue a joint stamp with 
the aim of bolstering cooperation in cultural and postal areas, it was announced 
here Monday. 
In a meeting held between Iran's Ambassador to Cuba Ahmad Edrissian and Head 
of Cuban Postal Company Alberto Peres Romero, the two sides discussed ways to 
develop cooperation in the postal sector and finally agreed upon issuing a joint 
stamp. 
Welcoming expansion of bilateral cooperation with the Islamic Republic, the 
Cuban side called for establishment of trilateral cooperation among Iran, Cuba 
and Venezuela. 
During the meeting, the Iranian envoy invited Romero to visit Tehran to 
attend 11th session of Iran-Cuba joint economic commission. 






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[cia-drugs] Unusual U.S.-Russian Reporting Team To Probe Editor's Murder in Moscow

2005-08-16 Thread CAIN of Nod





http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/647

Unusual U.S.-Russian Reporting Team To Probe 
Editor's Murder in Moscow


Submitted by editor 
on August 16, 2005 - 2:15pm.

By JACOB GERSHMANSource: New 
York Sun
As an 
American journalist working in Moscow, Paul Klebnikov, accumulated a lengthy 
list of enemies, ranging from Chechen mobsters to billionaire bandits. Those 
responsible for his murder last year may not have realized just how many allies 
Klebnikov also had.
A team of top-flight investigative reporters from America and Russia has 
committed itself to untangling the case of Klebnikov, the 41-year-old editor of 
Forbes Russia who was gunned down at the peak of his career while walking home 
from his offices in northeastern Moscow on the evening of July 9.
Dubbed Project Klebnikov, it's a cooperative mission that involves at least 
20 journalists, New York University's department of journalism, the Economist, 
Bloomberg News, Vanity Fair, and Forbes.
This sort of synergy in the field is "pretty much unheard of" the dean of 
Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism, Nicholas Lemann, said. The 
notion of collaboration works against the instincts of those in the business: 
News outlets need exclusives and reporters typically don't like to part with 
sources or glory.
Members of Project Klebnikov, a voluntary effort, say they are driven by a 
lack of confidence in both Russia's investigation into the murder and the 
ability of a single news organization to crack the case alone.
They point to a statistic that reflects the insecurity with which reporters 
in Russia operate and the state of the country's legal system: Of the 12 
contract-style murders of journalists in Russia since President Putin became 
president in 2000, none has been solved. Klebnikov is the only American among 
them.
Among their biggest supporters are Klebnikov's family members, who recently 
were given access to evidence in the case from the office of Russia's prosecutor 
general. Paul's elder brother, Michael Klebnikov, 50, in a telephone interview 
with The New York Sun, said he was skeptical of the results of Russia's 
investigation, which pins his brother's murder on a Chechen mafia leader, 
Khozh-Akhmed Nukhayev, who was critically profiled by Klebnikov in a 2003 book 
called "Conversations With a Barbarian."
Michael Klebnikov said he doubts that Mr. Nukhayev had such a violent 
reaction to the book and speculated that the motive for the murder had to do 
with documents that his murdered brother had in his possession. On two separate 
occasions, in March and May 2004, his brother told family members about "deeply 
troubling" documents he had found, one batch of which related to Moscow real 
estate.
"This was a pre-emptive move rather than retribution," the elder brother told 
the Sun. "But this is purely speculation." The family has hired an attorney to 
review the evidence in Moscow and is also getting advice from the American 
government, which established a multi-agency working group "to look at all 
aspects of the case," the assistant secretary of state for European affairs, 
Daniel Fried, told the Sun by telephone yesterday.
The size and scope of Project Klebnikov has observers likening it to the most 
famous of journalist cooperatives, the Arizona Project of 1976. Led by Bob 
Greene of Newsday, 38 reporters from 28 newspapers and television stations 
descended on the Copper State to finish the work of slain investigative reporter 
Don Bolles, who had been working on a story about land fraud when a car bomb 
took his life. The Arizona Project, the focus of which was exposing corruption 
and organized crime in Arizona rather than who was behind Bolles's death, 
resulted in a 23-part series that ran in several major metropolitan newspapers, 
including Newsday.
The coordinator of Project Klebnikov is Richard Behar, who met Klebnikov in 
the late 1980s when the two were early in their careers and working for Forbes 
magazine. Mr. Behar is best known for his lengthy expose of Scientology that 
appeared in Time magazine in 1991. That story led the church to launch a $416 
million libel lawsuit against the magazine, which was dismissed by a federal 
appeals court in 2001. He was reporting from Karachi in 2001 for Fortune 
magazine - following the same terrorism-financing trail that led Wall Street 
Journal reporter Daniel Pearl to his death.
Mr. Behar said the idea of the project goes back to an October memorial 
service for Klebnikov on the Upper East Side, during which he told mourners that 
he and other journalists ought to figure out who murdered their colleague.
In a recent interview at Soho House in the meatpacking district, Mr. Behar 
said he doubted that one news outlet could unravel the case. "With all respect 
to news organizations, a story like this in today's economic and global climate 
is too complex, cumbersome, expensive, and risky to commit the resources to try 
to entangle," he said.
Mr. Behar said the 

[cia-drugs] Central American Rulers Push for U.S.-supported Militarized Police

2005-08-16 Thread CAIN of Nod





http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/8/16/155658/401


Central American 
Rulers Push for U.S.-supported Militarized Police
By Benjamin 
Melançon, Posted on Tue Aug 16th, 2005 at 
03:56:58 PM EST

In the aftermath of CAFTA, 
the presidents of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua have proposed 
creating a regional rapid-response police force with military-assault 
capabilities-- if, that is, the United States government will provide resources 
for it. 
This may be a statement from Central American governments to the United 
States government: you want us to join you in 
CAFTA, so give us the money, guns, and military training to control our 
people. Drugs, gangs, and the generally violent consequences of making 
drugs illegal are, as usual, excuses for more police and increased state power. 
Whether or not to the so-called trade agreement has anything to do with the 
insistence that the U.S. sponsor the militarized police force, the United 
States' main export to Central America may end up being both sides of the drug 
war. 

Reporters Chris Kraul and Alex Renderos wrote for the 
Los Angelos Times (my emphasis added): 

El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras are waging an intense war 
  against street gangs — including the notorious Mara Salvatrucha — whose 
  members number about 50,000. Their activities often are transnational, 
  involving trafficking in drugs and people. Many are former 
  convicts who have been deported from the United States. 
  Berger and Honduran President Ricardo Maduro have said that their nations' 
  armed forces, greatly reduced after the end of armed conflict, are not up to 
  combating organized crime on their own and that a regional approach might be 
  the only answer. 
  Guatemalan Interior Minister Carlos Vielmann said Monday that the 
  force could become a reality only if the United States agreed to provide 
  training, equipment and intelligence.
Kraul and Renderos, writing from Mexico City, indicate no CAFTA subplot (nor 
any awareness of economic inequality and its impact on the drug war), but do 
note concerns with the plan: 

A proposal by Guatemalan President Oscar Berger to establish a 
  Central American "rapid-reaction force" to fight drug traffickers and gangs is 
  gaining strength, even as opponents say it could become a tool of U.S. 
  interests and threaten the region's sovereignty. 
  Several countries in the region are going forward with plans for such a 
  force numbering at least 500 soldiers, sailors and pilots. It would be used to 
  interdict drug shipments in the air and on the land and sea while fighting the 
  growing influence of gangs and organized crime in urban centers and in remote 
  drug-trafficking areas. 
  But the idea has generated opposition among those who say the force could 
  end up serving the interests of the U.S.
The official position of the four governments appears to be that this is fine 
as long as the U.S. pays: "the force will need the will of the Central American 
countries and the vital support of the United States," said Leonel Sauceda, 
spokesman for the Honduran Ministry of Public Security. 
According to reporters Kraul and Renderos, major elements of the proposed 
military force -- who will command it and how, what its jurisdiction would be, 
and what circumstances would trigger its deployment -- have not been decided (or 
disclosed). 

"[One] problem is that it would be a repressive, not a preventive, 
  force," said Grisel Grapo of the Center for Guatemalan Studies in Guatemala 
  City. "The other is that Central American countries don't have their own 
  agenda that establishes what the threats are to their national security. 
  If they did, there would be a better dialogue on adopting an appropriate 
  front."
If the United States goes along with the plan, it may very well be making the 
decisions about how and when the force would deploy. 

Leonel Gomez, a Salvadoran security consultant, said the danger of 
  such a reaction force was that it might become an "out-of-control SWAT team." 
  "Who would come up with the intelligence on which the team would act? Would 
  it be Guatemala? Honduras? El Salvador? Without coordination of intelligence, 
  responding in a violent manner and without oversight, it would only engender 
  more violence," Gomez said.





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[cia-drugs] Close Informant Friend Of Former FBI Agent John O'Neill, Killed on 9/11,

2005-08-16 Thread CAIN of Nod






from sean on political-research

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31621.htm 

http://www.rense.com/general67/close.htm

Close Informant  Friend Of 
Former FBI Agent John O'Neill, Killed on 9/11, Tells How FBI Higher-Ups 
'Shut Him Down' Letting 9/11 HappenBy 
Greg Szymanski8-16-5





  
  

  
A Seattle woman who was a close informant of former 
FBI agent and Al Qaeda hunter John O'Neill during the crucial months 
prior to the 9/11, said they both provided vital information in an 
attempt to stop the attack but were blocked by officials in the New York 
and Washington bureaus every step of the way. 
 
The informant's earth shattering revelations and hard 
evidence, including names, dates, locations, motives and sordid dealings 
of known terrorists, may once and for end all speculation that the FBI 
overtly tried to thwart O'Neill's investigation, as well as even show 
authorities worked closely, assisting known terrorists in bringing about 
9/11 as well as other previous terrorist attacks. 
 
The detailed information, never released publicly and 
provided to the Arctic Beacon and the American Free Press, clearly 
shows, according to the informant, a plot in the FBI by O'Neill's boss, 
Tom Picard and others higher-up in the chain of command to block O'Neill 
just when he may have been able to gum up the works, mainly from 
contacts made by the Seattle informant with a major Al Qaeda cell 
operating on the East Coast. 
 
Seattle veterinarian and long time friend and 
informant of O'Neill, Janet Parker, 53, said O'Neill was stopped by his 
bosses only months prior to 9/11 from getting a wire tap on a major cell 
leader, Shadrack Manyathella, who had close ties with Ali Mohammad, a 
suspected CIA double operative and Mohammad Atta, the alleged 9/11 ring 
leader. 
 
"His own bureau blocked him every step of the way, but 
John wanted me to bate Shadrack and get as much information as 
possible," said Parker in an extended telephone conversation from her 
Seattle home this week, concerning several telephone conversations with 
the alleged terrorist thug in the months preceding 9/11. 
 
"Shadrack was anxious to get me into his organization, 
since I was considered a valuable asset as a veterinarian. Also, he 
wanted me to marry another one of his friends named Mohammad, I think so 
he could get him citizenship papers and a passport." 
 
During July 2001, O'Neill and Parker communicated 
numerous times, sharing vital information and trying to determine the 
best way to uncover Shadrack's plans, as O'Neil told Parker "something 
big was in the works and coming down soon." 
 
Although O'Neill was working non-stop, day and night, 
to connect the dots and pin down Shadrack and the intentions of other 
terrorists, traveling back and forth from Europe and Yemen about the USS 
Cole bombing as well as trying to stop future attacks. 
 
However, Parker said during this time O'Neill also 
became very despondent and depressed by the lack of cooperation he was 
getting from FBI headquarters. 
 
Parker, who first became associated with O'Neill more 
than 30 years ago in other FBI-related investigations, said O'Neill had 
even traveled to France, deciding to work with French intelligence, 
instead of his own bureau, since they were more cooperative and Shadrack 
often communicated to other terrorist cells, located in all parts of the 
world, in French. 
 
"You have to understand that John and I had known each 
other for a long time. We shared a lot of information, not only about 
Shadrack, Al Qaeda and what turned out to be 9/11, but also about the 
Boston FBI scandal which I was involved in, when various FBI agents were 
jailed for corruption and about 19 informants like myself were brutally 
murdered," said Parker, adding O'Neill protected her identity in that 
case and probably saved her life, allowing her to run for her life and 
start over again in Seattle. "I remember once when my foster daughter 
was visiting, I think in February, 2001, I overheard talk about 
airplanes and the World Trade Center. 
 
"But concerning John, he was ambitious and maybe that 
was his downfall, but he was also skilled, talented and completely 
dedicated to stopping terrorism. He did pressure me over the years and 
put me in difficult spots, but I would fight back at times, reminding 
him I was only a volunteer. 
  

[cia-drugs] Bush Against the Generals

2005-08-16 Thread CAIN of Nod





http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6938



  
  
Bush Against 
  the Generals Iran, the White House, and the purge of 
  the military 
  
by Justin Raimondo
  

  
  The tipping point against this immoral, ill-conceived and in-every-way disastrous war seems to have been reached, as hundreds – and soon to be thousands – of Gold Star Mothers and sympathizers march against the war in Crawford, 
  Texas. Popular support for George W. Bush's Napoleonic foreign policy has plummeted to its lowest point ever. "Like the 
  Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, 
  President George W. Bush may be the last person in the United States to 
  learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over," avers Frank Rich:
  "'We will stay the course,' he insistently tells us from his Texas 
  ranch. What do you mean we, white man? A president can't stay the course 
  when his own citizens (let alone his own allies) won't stay with him. The 
  approval rate for Bush's handling of Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last 
  weekend's Newsweek poll – a match for the 32 percent that approved 
  President Lyndon Johnson's handling of Vietnam in early March 
  1968.'"
  The war against Ba'athist Iraq may be over, but the war against the mullahs of 
  Iran is just beginning. What else are we to make of the president's recent 
  interview with Israeli public television: 
  "When asked if the use of force was an alternative to faltering 
  diplomatic efforts, Bush said: 'All options are on the table.' 'The use of 
  force is the last option for any president. You know we have used force in 
  the recent past to secure our country,' he said in a clear reference to 
  Iraq. 'I have been willing to do so as a last resort in order to secure 
  the country and provide the opportunity for people to live in free 
  societies,' he added."
  A "last resort"? Don't make me laugh. The Bushies came to Washington 
  all primed up to invade Iraq: 9/11 
  gave them the excuse they needed to carry out their plan – a plan, by the way, not limited to 
  the conquest of Iraq. The confluence of the president's pronouncement with 
  news of Vice President Dick Cheney's recent request that the military come 
  up with a plan to attack the Iranians – using nuclear weapons – as a response to a 
  terrorist attack in the U.S., should send a good-sized shiver down your 
  spine, dear reader, as it does mine.
  Frank Rich believes Bush "can't stay the course when his own citizens" 
  refuse to go along, but that is nonsense: he can and will do exactly as he 
  pleases. The constitutional provision assigning exclusively to 
  Congress the power to declare war has long been a dead letter, killed by Harry Truman when he sent U.S. troops 
  to Korea. Aside from a few old-fashioned conservative Republicans, the 
  peoples' elected representatives uttered hardly a peep of protest. Just as 
  Congress – aside from a few isolated, and heroic, cases – will stay silent today. As long 
  as the Democratic party is successfully neutered on foreign policy issues by the neocon-influenced Democratic Leadership Council, the War 
  Party will encounter no opposition on that front. 
  The political groundwork for an assault on Iran has already been laid, 
  as Joshua Kurlantzick points out in an excellent piece in Vanity Fair magazine, 
  and these preparations ought to evoke in us an eerie sense of déjà vu: the 
  same playbook is being used as was followed in Iraq, even including a 
  mysterious (and, in this case, uniquely kooky) group of exiles funneling fake 
  "intelligence" to the war hawks in the Pentagon. 
  You say Chalabi, I say Rajavi – let's call the whole thing off!
  As the president of the United States cowers in his ranch, afraid to meet with a 48-year-old mother 
  who wants to know why her son had to die, he hurls anathemas at Tehran and 
  gathers his hosts for fresh conquests. Bush can safely ignore Congress – 
  not that they'll give him any trouble – and he can tell the chauffeur to 
  speed up when he passes Cindy Sheehan on the way to a fundraiser for the Republican War 
  Machine. However, he can't safely ignore the grumbling of his 
  generals – who may be just short of joining the Crawford peace camp, along 
  with a few divisions from the North American Command. Bush has just slapped 
  down the top American commander in Iraq, General George Casey, for daring 
  to suggest that troop reductions were in the offing. The London 
  Telegraph reports:
  "The top American commander in Iraq has been privately rebuked by 
  the Bush administration for openly discussing plans to reduce troop levels 
  there next year, The Sunday Telegraph has learned. … Gen