Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents'
Shia militia, according to reports here. - Original Message - From: Vigilius Haufniensis To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents' However, in answer to your specific question, the following: I listened to the interview of the British commander of the mechanised unit that strormed the prison. He statedthat both soldiers were not present at the prison but they learned from Iraqi prison officers (probably use of force/threats of force) that they had both earlier been turned over to Shia militia. Both soldiers were rescued from the latter amid the commander's fear that both were to be executed. VMANN: so they were rescued from the shias? vigilus haufniensis Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.7.7 - Release Date: 16/06/05 Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents'
Yes, I believe it is an important factual distinction because the change that resulted under the new regime was a voluntary arrangement between government and the media, and not simplyimposed secrecy by government on the media -- as it had been sincethe inception of the D-Notice. One could point to the so called "Downing Street Memos" to see that (admittedlyfar too rarely) how amajor newspaper can and do publish extremely sensitive government memos that before 1993 would have invoked the wrath of government who wouldalmost certainly have initiated a major Official Secrecy Act investigation resulting in criminal prosecution. While I heartily agree with you that the major media are generally supine, that is not always the case - especially with the present British military involvement in Iraq which is so broadly unpopular. It is also true to say that there are good print reporters, TV news reporters and TV documentary producers, plus others in the major media who do have a real sense of commitment to report sensitive/explosive stories, but, for the sake of their career and/or financial survival, need to chose their times of forthrightness with due care. I can speak personally on this and have in the past been deeply involved in more than oneattempt to bring highly sensitive stories to British and international television viewers, which while not ultimately fruitful,demonstratedlevels of principle, fairness and decency I hadn't entirely expected at the outset. I'm also well aware of false flag operations and have written about them in past articles - for example the Gladio network. But not every unusual military instance in every conflict is a false flag operation. To answer your question, I am speaking specifically about this one operation -- but always try to judge every situation on its discernible merits in order to untangle the real from the false, so as to arrive at a sensible, independent and unbiased judegement -- so far as any of us are truly unbiased... - Original Message - From: norgesen To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents' The "D notice" has not been in effect for thirteen years. Today, a voluntary system is known as the Defence Advisory Notice (DA-Notice), which provides "general guidance" to editors and others. There is no "imposed". The DA-Notice system is a "voluntary" code, to wit: " The Notices have no legal standing and advice offered within their framework may be accepted or rejected partly or wholly." --- So sorry for that grievous error. - DA notice / D notice - is this an important distinction? The point is the same. In fact the website you pointed to is still called 'dnotice.org.uk'. You discard all the evidence pointing to false flag/synthetic terrorism especially in regard to the Middle East? Or only in this instance? Recommend you read Tarpley's latest, with many examples of past and present state-sponsored false flag terrorism, with an accumulation of devasting impact. It isn't a matter for ridicule at this point, no matter how the ridicule is spun. And of course there is no "imposed" - we know that is is completely up to the discretion of the US/UK major press editors what they will publish and within which boundaries., and what to accept and reject. sure mate. understood. I'll go with Chossudovsky myself. n. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.7.7 - Release Date: 16/06/05 Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy court western district of texas United state life insurance United state patent United state patent search United states patent office United state flag YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents'
However, in answer to your specific question, the following: I listened to the interview of the British commander of the mechanised unit that strormed the prison. He statedthat both soldiers were not present at the prison but they learned from Iraqi prison officers (probably use of force/threats of force) that they had both earlier been turned over to Shia militia. Both soldiers were rescued from the latter amid the commander's fear that both were to be executed. VMANN: so they were rescued from the shias? vigilus haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy court western district of texas United state life insurance United state patent United state patent search United states patent office United state flag YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents'
The "D notice" has not been in effect for thirteen years. Today, a voluntary system is known as the Defence Advisory Notice (DA-Notice), which provides "general guidance" to editors and others. There is no "imposed". But hey, don't let facts crampanyone's style... The DA-Notice system is a "voluntary" code, to wit: " The Notices have no legal standing and advice offered within their framework may be accepted or rejected partly or wholly." For an overview, see: http://www.dnotice.org.uk/ The fact is that there is no need for a D Notice in its original conception, as the major media is generally sufficiently supine (they would argue "responsible") and all corporate cozy in bed with the government. That same cuddly oneness applies both sides of the Atlantic. On the matter of the continuing controversy of the two Brit soldiers, I feel that a strong measure of "balance" is essential, as else we end up operating onthe same sorry level and replicating the samedeceptive standards as the bad guys. Thus: Is it really that extraordinary to be wearing muftiwhen working undercover? Only the Marx Brothers would ever have dreamed of working undercover wearing a British army uniform. Is it also so extraordinary to be heavily armed - includingexplosives - when operating de facto behind enemy lines? And Iraq is for all intents and purposes behind enemy lines. Operating under cover, behind enemy lines,on a legitimate authorisedmilitary or intelligencegathering mission is a speciality of Special Forces since their origin in WWII. Describing this as"playing at being insurgents",demonstrates a virulent disregard for accuracy, a view that is further strengthened from heavily relying on reports flowing from Arabic and Chinese sources (the Chinese are hardly independent in this respect as they politically support Iran and thus theShiite's). I have the greatest respect for Chossudovsky, but on this occasion I think he has jumped the gun and should have been more patient by waiting until all the facts are in, and also should have been more critical in considering alternative explanations. If in the end, it turns out that both soldiers were on a mission to wreak unconscionable havoc, then I will gladly admit the error of my ways. - Original Message - From: norgesen To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents' Iraq myths are cruelly exposed 09:22am 21st September 2005--- This is a classic case of spinning a story. The attacks on the British by the citizens of Basra are cited as proof that there can be no troop withdrawal. Left totally unmentioned is the fact that the two captured British soldiers had been caught wearing Arab clothing, sniping at police officers and driving a car full of explosives. In other words, the two undercover Brits were playing at being insurgents, confirming for many Iraqi the suspicion that much of the so-called "insurgent" bombings are actually being carried out by the occupation forces. Obviously Britain has imposed a "D-notice" on the media with regards to this story. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.7.7 - Release Date: 16/06/05 Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy court western district of texas United state life insurance United state patent United state patent search United states patent office United state flag YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[cia-drugs] Re: British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents'
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Guyatt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: The important point that is being ignored here is that the Iraqi police turned over the two soldiers (prior to the rescue attempt at the prison) to the Shia militia. In other words, the thrust of this article is altogether barking up the wrong tree. I don't think so. Who are the sources pointing to the "turnover to the Shia militia" what might be their motives in pointing in that direction? This is a case where the special forces guys got caught doing the dirty deeds, and now the usual suspects are frantically spinning to turn our eyes away from the obvious. n. So what we have here is a clear instance of a foreign power attempting to fabricate a terrorist attack. Why else would the soldiers be dressed as Arabs if not to frame them? Why have a car laden with explosives if you don't plan to use them for destructive purposes? Iraq is headed towards civil war, and this operation was meant to accelerate the process by killing people and blaming others. Nothing more, nothing less. That the British army staged an over-the-top escape whenit could rely on normal diplomatic channels to recoverits people proves that. Such extreme methods highlight the need to keep secrets. There have been a number of insurgent bombings in Iraq recently. Who really is responsible for the bloodshed and destruction? The only tangible benefit of the bombings is justification for Coalition forces maintaining the peace in Iraq. Who benefits from that? Certainly not the Iraqis they already believe most suicide bombings are done by the United States to prompt religious war. After reading about this incident, I'm not inclined to disagree. Even though this false-flag operation was blown wide open, I'm afraid it might still be used in the mainstream media to incite further violence in the Middle East. Judging by the coverage that has emerged after the incident, my fears seem warranted. Several articles have already turned the story against the angry Iraqis who fought the British tanks as they demolished the jail wall, painting them as aggressive Shia militia attacking the doe-eyed, innocent troops responding to the concern that their comrades were held by religious fanatics. A photograph of a troop on fire comes complete with commentary that the vehicles were under attack during a "bid to recover arrested servicemen" that were possibly undercover. All criminal elements of British treacheryare downplayed, the car's explosive cache is never mentioned and the soldiers who instigated the affair are made victims of an unstable country they are defending. Hilariously, all of this spin has already landed Iran at the top of the blame game. Because when the war combine botches its own clandestine terrorist acts, what better way to recover than by painting the soulless, freedom-hating country you'd love to invade next as the culprit? In a way, I almost admire the nerve of officials who are able to infer that Basra's riots have nothing to do with fake insurgent bombing raids and everything to do with religious ties to a foreign country. It's a sheer unmitigated gall that flies in the face of logic and reason. "The Iranians are careful not to be caught," a British official said as the UK threatened to refer Iran to the UN Security Council for sanctions. Too bad the British aren't! Maybe then they'd be able to complete their black-ops mission without looking like complete fools in the process! Make no mistake any and all violence to erupt from Basra over this incident lands squarely on the shoulders of the British army and its special forces. Instead of stoking the flames of propaganda against a nationit hasno hope of ever conquering, maybeBritain should quit trying to intimidate the Iraqis with fear and torture and start focusing on fixing its mistakes and getting out of the Middle East. http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0961_fake_terrorism_coalition_best_friend.html --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Guyatt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: The important point that is being ignored here is that the Iraqi police turned over the two soldiers (prior to the rescue attempt at the prison) to the Shia militia. In other words, the thrust of this article is altogether barking up the wrong tree. - Original Message - From: E Bryant Holman To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com ; El Paso Greens ; 1zapatista Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents' British special forces caught pretending to be Iraqi 'insurgents' http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556 the gig is up Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy
