[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [some music]

2009-08-18 Thread Stuart Walsh

I'm assuming that the sentence in the intro to Moravian Choralbuch, here:

http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/musicfiles/index.html


The manuscript and its music may not be reproduced or published without 
the consent of the Moravian Archives refers to the music notation, not 
attempts - puny amateur attempts - to play a few of these pieces.


It doesn't really look to me that the pieces are arranged in order of 
difficulty. I've tried playing through them, not unfortunately on a 
cittern, but on a very basic guitar (in fact a Russian guitar with the 
usual very close string spacings). Perhaps, as has been suggested, these 
chorales are entirely functional - for accompanying singing  - and not 
ever for purely instrumental performance. The fermata sign is used 
extensively but when I played the pieces, pausing a bit more (perhaps 
I'm misunderstanding this?), the music sounded wrong. With a singer - or 
singers - long pauses would work fine - as I think happens in hymns. And 
the singer or singers would know the melody and the words... over a 
lifetime.


But it's a shame to have a MS of music and not actually try and play 
some of it. The pieces are quite short - presumably they have many 
verses? Now hymn settings with chords on every beat are fine on a 
keyboard, but not so easy on  a fretboard and, I think, chorale settings 
like this aren't common on plucked instruments. In that respect they are 
quite hard to play and sound a bit clunky. But that could be just me!


I've got four melodies. Firstly I've played them with the tuning GCEgbe. 
But this is on a guitar with a string length of 65cms. In cittern terms, 
that would be a big instrument? And it makes some of stretches quite 
challenging. The close position, low position A minor chords sound 
impressive. Andy mentioned a possible string  length of 50cms so I put 
on a capo at the third fret giving a string length of about 54cms.


So here are four of the chorales, first at modern GCEgbe pitch

http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43.mp3

and here, at the higher pitch

http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8a.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13a.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40a.mp3
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43a.mp3

and finally a Minuet from the end of the book:

http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Men3a.mp3

with authentic 18th century plane in the background.

Some of these chorales sound sort of familiar and I think there is a 
long tradition in Germany of sturdy chorale type tunes. I may well be 
misinterpreting the music and I don't mind having this pointed out! If 
any offence is taken, I'll remove the files.


Stuart



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[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [some music]

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Rutherford
   Bravo!
   I agree about the order of difficulty business.  That came from
   somebody's doctoral thesis that briefly mentioned this MS...
   andy r

   On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
   wrote:

 I'm assuming that the sentence in the intro to Moravian Choralbuch,
 here:
 [2]http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/musicfiles/index.html
 The manuscript and its music may not be reproduced or published
 without the consent of the Moravian Archives refers to the music
 notation, not attempts - puny amateur attempts - to play a few of
 these pieces.
 It doesn't really look to me that the pieces are arranged in order
 of difficulty. I've tried playing through them, not unfortunately on
 a cittern, but on a very basic guitar (in fact a Russian guitar with
 the usual very close string spacings). Perhaps, as has been
 suggested, these chorales are entirely functional - for accompanying
 singing  - and not ever for purely instrumental performance. The
 fermata sign is used extensively but when I played the pieces,
 pausing a bit more (perhaps I'm misunderstanding this?), the music
 sounded wrong. With a singer - or singers - long pauses would work
 fine - as I think happens in hymns. And the singer or singers would
 know the melody and the words... over a lifetime.
 But it's a shame to have a MS of music and not actually try and play
 some of it. The pieces are quite short - presumably they have many
 verses? Now hymn settings with chords on every beat are fine on a
 keyboard, but not so easy on  a fretboard and, I think, chorale
 settings like this aren't common on plucked instruments. In that
 respect they are quite hard to play and sound a bit clunky. But that
 could be just me!
 I've got four melodies. Firstly I've played them with the tuning
 GCEgbe. But this is on a guitar with a string length of 65cms. In
 cittern terms, that would be a big instrument? And it makes some of
 stretches quite challenging. The close position, low position A
 minor chords sound impressive. Andy mentioned a possible string
 length of 50cms so I put on a capo at the third fret giving a string
 length of about 54cms.
 So here are four of the chorales, first at modern GCEgbe pitch
 [3]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8.mp3
 [4]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13.mp3
 [5]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40.mp3
 [6]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43.mp3
 and here, at the higher pitch
 [7]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8a.mp3
 [8]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13a.mp3
 [9]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40a.mp3
 [10]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43a.mp3
 and finally a Minuet from the end of the book:
 [11]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Men3a.mp3
 with authentic 18th century plane in the background.
 Some of these chorales sound sort of familiar and I think there is a
 long tradition in Germany of sturdy chorale type tunes. I may well
 be misinterpreting the music and I don't mind having this pointed
 out! If any offence is taken, I'll remove the files.
 Stuart
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References

   1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
   2. http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/musicfiles/index.html
   3. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8.mp3
   4. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13.mp3
   5. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40.mp3
   6. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43.mp3
   7. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No8a.mp3
   8. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No13a.mp3
   9. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No40a.mp3
  10. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/No43a.mp3
  11. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Men3a.mp3
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html