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Sorry for the X-post. I just created a new mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can sign up here: http://entropy.yi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/java-is-dead ... Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be standardized? Are you looking towards .NET/C# as an alternative but still optimistic about Java? Do you *hate* the JCP? Are you sick of the fact that SUN keeps throwing new features into the VM and bloating it beyond belief? Do you want SUN to Open Source Java? Do you want to collaborate around other Open Source Java implementations? ... I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues. Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The java-is-dead mailing list is for people who love Java but are *very* concerned. Please feel free to forward this email or link to the mailing list from your site. Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web - http://relativity.yi.org/ It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees! - Emiliano Zapata -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE8XwPpAwM6xb2dfE0RAs5MAKCjopim62GAoeZSKxcPK8l5+VkJTwCbBVoC 5uMWqzV1IrVYFdcZjk8YcQ8= =Vgaj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath