Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:37 PM, John Kinsella j...@stratosec.co wrote: The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29

RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Alex Huang
The main Red Flag to me was the line: AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57) As soon as I saw AGREED, a little red flag popped up in my head wondering if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list. I believe this had been

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Noah Slater
There are no hard and fast rules. (Which makes it tricky to get right.) The goal here is to make the project transparent (permanent mail archives, posting IRC logs) and open (the most amount of people can contribute). The problem with IRC is that usually works against those goals. The logs

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang alex.hu...@citrix.com wrote: The main Red Flag to me was the line: AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57) As soon as I saw AGREED, a little red flag popped up in my head wondering if a decision had been made on IRC

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Noah Slater
That is a much better point than I was able to come up with. Thanks Daniel! :D On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang alex.hu...@citrix.com wrote: The main Red Flag to me was the line: AGREED: continue using waf to

RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Alex Huang
-Original Message- From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:29 AM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times) On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang alex.hu...@citrix.com wrote: The main Red

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists? Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions, and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a foundation

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... Thanks for your concern and clarification :). But we already discussed these concerns on another thread and they will be taken care of. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists? Holding

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread John Kinsella
The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29 John On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Good information John thanks :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM, John Kinsella j...@stratosec.co wrote: The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... Please read my feedback inline On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the discussions held at them? It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing list.

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
My apologies, Mohammad. Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I shall take care to read the older threads. :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noah... Please read my feedback inline On Sat, Sep 8,

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: My apologies, Mohammad. 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was totally correct and actually it shows the sense of awareness about open communities :) Just getting up to speed on

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Oooops a writing mistake, see below On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noah... On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: My apologies, Mohammad. 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Heh. Thanks. See you around. :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noah... On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: My apologies, Mohammad. 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Oh, this is fantastic. Thanks! On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM, John Kinsella j...@stratosec.co wrote: The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.

IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life. He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead. (That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific,

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Robert Schweikert
On 09/06/2012 03:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life. He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 09/06/2012 09:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life. He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote: The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner. That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who actually clock out at 5.

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi all Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something like Doodle, which I used in other Apache project communities and worked well for us. [1] http://doodle.com/ On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM,

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time, taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing list communications. An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
I totally agree - the better we can do at setting an agenda, the better. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: Hi... Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time, taking

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Thanks. We did initially to set the first time (Friday 19:00 UTC). I'll go ahead and put up a doodle to get a consensus on times here. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:51 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: Hi all Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something like Doodle,

Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days. Thanks, Joe -- Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net Twitter: @jzb http://www.dissociatedpress.net/