it. Can't you use something else ?
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
You can totally confuse new cocoon users by telling them
that the serializer does not have to be the xml serializer.
Because they don't know the internal things of Cocoon which
we know. And it's not obvious for them.
I don't agree
, producing PDF,
etc. cannot be described simply by URIs producing content, but by URIs
providing services such as generation, transformation and serialization.
Hence these new components.
Sylvain
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Good point. Using cocoon as the component type certainly helps to
understand that the src is a sitemap URI. We shall use it from now on.
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Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Thanks Sylvain for this RT on a missing piece for the blocks concept.
More inline:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
snip/
I don't see a need for a new sitemap element such as map:call-pipeline
or map:generate-from-pipeline. What we want is to generate and initial
content
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
The discussions around Stefano's Cocoon blocks version 1.1 showed
the need for pipelines to provide not only resources, but also
services, identified by their URI.
This document defines this concept of pipeline service, which, as
we will see
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
The discussions around Stefano's Cocoon blocks version 1.1 showed
the need for pipelines to provide not only resources, but also
services, identified by their URI.
This document defines this concept of pipeline service
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the Cocoon blocks document so that block
services are shown as pipeline sitemap components.
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and I
couldn't find my way in all this stuff.
Well, nothing really new, but this clearly shows the need for docs...
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sitemap components (aka pipeline services). More on this soon.
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feature. But I guess it will
quickly become official with the discussion on blocks since a block
_needs_ to define its own components.
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Justin
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- map:pipeline-handler
- map:pipeline-manager
- map:pipeline-runner
- something else ?
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
The contract of a block should be services identified by their URI,
and not files at well-known locations (even if these 'files' are in
fact produced by a pipeline).
snip/
By considering blocks as pipeline services, we really achieve true
],
then we will ask ourselves if it's time for a separate mailing-list for
the [theme]. Not everybody is interested in the same parts of Cocoon,
and forming different discussion areas is the way to ensure efficiency.
But not dictatorship.
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Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Hi team,
I just added a new ZipArchiveSerializer that builds a zip file whose
entries are fetched from sources (including all of our fancy protocols).
I wrote this to generate OpenOffice files, but this can be used to
generate any zip-based file
html, but this
lead to the conclusion that this is the responsibility of the container
(httpd or Tomcat). See
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more info.
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in the code base.
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Jeremy Aston wrote:
Very cool,
As a demo of how to write a generator for Lajos' and
my upcoming Cocoon book I have written a
ZipDirectoryGenerator which might augment this. If
anyone is interested in getting the code then let me
know.
Sounds good, but the same can
we are facing a flood of projects,
and I can tell you that Cocoon is slowly but strongly spreading the
world (at least my part of if).
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The global namespace is used for component configurations, and the
map: namespace is used for sitemap constructs.
That's why we have non-namespaced elements in map:generator et al.
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Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 02:09 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
People,
Neal Gafter is about to start the process for a new JSR on Java
Compiler API which would hopefully make it fir Tiger (aka Java 1.5).
He asked me
, and passing named variables to
subsitemaps would introduce a coupling with the parent sitemap that
isn't desirable.
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Please provide committer privileges to the Cocoon project to:
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On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 01:20 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 02:09 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
People,
Neal Gafter is about to start the process for a new JSR on Java
Compiler
../../../../../ nightmares :)
Cool !
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I guess you may not like this overloading. In that case, what about
requiring uniqueness of names _on a path_, meaning the same name can be
used in different branches of the sitemap tree ?
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statement named act1
- {request:xxx} come from input-module request
- {xxx} works as usual and gets its value from the enclosing statement.
I changed param-prefix proposed by Ilya to name since this is
actually what it is : a name given to a sitemap statement.
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the action, and if '1' isn't
defined by the action, then it's value is null, even if the matcher has
a value for '1'.
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, if you are a committer and want to join, just raise your hand and
we'll see what happens.
What would be very cool is to be able to specify line numbers of the
source file that generated the Java code (like #line in C). This would
allow for source-level XSP debuggers !
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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This can often happen with matchers when e.g. an area of the
application is protected :
map:match type=wildcard pattern=admin/*
map:act type=auth
map:match type=wildcard pattern=admin/adduser
...
/map:match
/map:act
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the variable name to avoid any
confusion with XPath or Java arrays where foo[2] means second element
of foo.
Of course, we keep the ../ syntax.
My 0.02 euro...
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know what I mean :)
Do Cocoon developpers have some special discount there ?
;-P
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C2.1-dev and I see there's a NotifyingGenerator, but I
cannot figure out whether it would be useful in this case and how to
use it.
This generator is hard-coded as the start of the handle-errors pipeline,
so you can't do anything with it.
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Ugo Cei wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Do you think it's good for non authenticated users to even know that
a particular URI in a protected part of the URI space exists or not ?
I would say no (or tell us your use case), and then your sitemap is
just fine...
No, I think it's good
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
So, summarizing this, it seems that we agree on changing the InputModule
interface to
o.a.c.components.modules.InputModule
{
Object getAttribute( String name, Map objectModel ) throws
ProcessingException
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
But why throwing a ProcessingException ? Simply throwing Exception would avoid
exception cascading (I hate these never ending stacktraces) and better cope with the
variety of implementations.
Valid question...now the question is: where do you
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Good question! Ok, I think you are all right - and I skip my proposal...
sniff...
Don't cry, Carsten, you know we all love you. Maybe next proposal will
be have more acceptance ?
;-P
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for {} subsitution. So the global-variables names seems to
me more appropriate.
How does it sound ?
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I think, the proposed {\1} looks nice. And its very easy to understand.
Other comments?
We don't support absolute paths for now, although it can easily be added
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I think, the proposed {\1} looks nice. And its very easy to understand.
Other comments?
We don't support absolute paths for now, although it can easily be added
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On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 01:28 AM, Sylvain Wallez
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Currently I'm -0 but with a tendency to -1.
Why? I see these reasons:
1) This is an incompatible change - currently if nothing matches in the subsitemap,
the error handler is invoked and people rely on this, so
Tim Coninx wrote:
Hello,
On http://www.cs.kuleuven.ac.be/~tim/MOS/brakes.html Brakes 0.3 is
available.
The big change is off course the license change.
Happy downloadin' an' codin'
Way cool ! Thanks a lot, Tim.
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as possible replacement for the
HTTP request's parameter API I have chosen Enumeration and wrapped an Iterator.
Anyway, I'd be happy both ways.
Chris.
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if we could come back from a map:mount to the parent sitemap if
no pattern matched in the subsitemap ?
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Tim Coninx wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:43:18PM +0200, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
What can be the result of the administrative procedures you're talking
about ? Can we forsee a relicensing under the Apache licence ? If such
licensing is possible, what about considering a donation
fixed since 2.0.3, even if there
are still some.
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brought by the new
container infrastructure seems to me somehow hidden by the additional
constraints or annoyances it brings to the developper.
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, but not a request parameter).
And then, don't we need also need a response-header module ?
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Tim Coninx wrote:
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:48:42PM +0200, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Tim Coninx wrote:
We are *very serious* at using something like Brakes in Cocoon. The use
case is however a little bit different than Brakes : we want to
implement continuations, which are the capability
, we're starting to have good answers.
A question however about the cost of instrumentation : is it possible to
know if an instrument is active to avoid costly value computations, in
the same way as we test logger.isDebugEnabled() ?
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Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
In the above case, it is starting to throw something, so it's ok, and
even good, that something is logged.
It's not the exception being logged, but the event that will cause the
exception to be thrown.
That's exactly what I mean
,
- An exception that is catched and propagated _must not_ be logged, even
if wrapped in a CascadingException.
Do we agree on this ?
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it to our Request interface ?
I already proposed this a while ago (see
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=101661438030015w=2),
including the proposal for setting the buffer size either as a servlet
parameter or an attribute of map:pipeline.
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Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Actually, this is something I was considering by looking at the priority
filter in logkit.xconf that directs all errors regardless their category
to the error log file. I also considered redirecting only core errors
to that file.
Referring
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Might be worth investigating into running modes. Hmm.
But comming back to the original problem ;) - We already have an
intermediate
output stream implemented and noone really complained about it:
Its the buffered
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
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Ahem... according to the second item, don't remove message logs before
throwing an exception, but change them to warn.
Hey, don't worry - this was just a joke :)
Phew... you make me nervous, Carsten ;-)
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Why does have a serializer to flush its output when it is recycled ?
Flushing (and output
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Why does have a serializer to flush
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Why does have a serializer
.
IIRC, there was also some discussion on the list a while back (in July?)
regarding Extending Error Handling, I dont think that stuff ever got
implemented. Another thing on the to do list...*sigh* :-)
It's not implemented now, but is on my todo list (time, time, time...)
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- display the Cocoon blue screen of death to the browser in dev mode
and a gentle system currently unavailable in production mode,
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snip/
Index: ActionSetNodeBuilder.java
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RCS file:
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Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
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Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
snip/
Actually I now realize that declaring flow scripts this way,
interferes with Vadim's proposal on using map:flow to invoke a
function or restart a continuation. Can we
a
broader usage range than simply the controller part of MVC. And we can
still market map:flow as the MVC controller as long it is a buzzword.
So I will abstain on map:controller against map:flow
However, +1 for map:call with attributes resource, continuation or
function.
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controller doesn't sound well. Something like map:call-controller
sounds better, but you may find it a bit lengthy...
Other thoughts ?
snipped what=single element proposal which I agree with/
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Crafter as a new Cocoon committer. He's a
long time contributor with some nice ideas, and already an Avalon
committer. He's also a kind guy that always hope all is well ;-)
Cast your votes, folks.
Here's my +1.
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interested in helping, as Xopus brings
some amazing features and integrating it with Cocoon can lead to some
killer applications.
So just tell us where you need help !
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contributor with some nice ideas, and already an Avalon
committer. He's also a kind guy that always hope all is well ;-)
Cast your votes, folks.
Here's my +1.
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snip/
This requires a change in the Pipeline interface, since we must add this Parameters
object to each component addition method.
You want change interface to something like:
public interface
(responsible for 8-9% performance loss), results were *identical*.
Vadim, can you explain what are these additional complexities ? Is the
current version 8% slower because of changes of changes in excalibur ?
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Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
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Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
Chris,
What you use to measure time?
I timed executing of simple.xsp in Cocoon -D 20020420 and in Cocoon 2.0.4-dev
with the for() time wget, and compared time reported by the Cocoon in access.log
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Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
Guys,
I'm really overwhelmed by your reaction to the flow idea! Thanks all for
sharing your thoughts!
First of all, I think the thanks should
Michael Melhem wrote:
Dear Cocoon Gods,
(Flattery will get you everywhere!)
We're not god, but only grown-up contributors ;)
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Attn: Sylvain Wallez
Attn: Carsten Ziegeler
FYI, I have been working to complete cachingpoint (CP) pipelines so
that auto CP (ACP) is fully functional
? Are they different ?
Is this related to pizza, as suggested by Berin (i.e. does switching
back to Javac change something) ?
If not, we'll have to find what changed in the engine...
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Yes and no :
- the interpreted sitemap is used if your cocoon.xconf contains only
sitemap/
- the shipped cocoon.xconf explicitely specifies sitemap
class=org.apache.cocoon.sitemap.SitemapManager/ which is the compiled
engine.
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Diana Shannon wrote:
Based on the status of 2.0.3 branch as of this am, the web site was
updated.
This includes javadocs (in spite of some warnings on build)
and regular documentation.
-- Diana
Great job, Diana.
Will 2.0.4 be Forrest-powered ?
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so that people can compare them more objectively.
And Cocoon is already listed as one of the competitors...
Anybody aware of this project ?
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