some changes in the pipeline, we
decided to delay this until the new unified pipelines are ready
(couldn't find the relevant message in the archive). Since these new
pipelines are now present, it's time to implement it.
I'll assign this to myself.
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It's time to update TODO document. We have to do this before release
to generate *something else* when the error-handler doesn't display the
error itself, as shown by notfound.xml above.
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in this internal travel, and hope to see you back
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Wouldnt the ability to have custom handle-errors generators make it
more likely that the handle-errors pipe would throw the very
error/exception thats its trying to handle..and wouldnt this cause
an infinate loop?
No risk
* execution of the stylesheet in order to
really measure the transformation time.
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component manager
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This means that when you fall into the error handler, redirect may not
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Other thoughts?
Errmm... I still don't like the implicit generator in handle-errors...
I really don't know what is best here, but I have a proposal that
comes to me now...
The NotifyingBuilder is something that converts Exceptions
throw exceptions, but also matchers,
transformers, actions, etc. which are allowed in handle-errors.
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synapses ?
No, not really :/
Too bad :(
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If you don't see them, you may deploy broken pages on a live site.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Before treeprocessor, the CLI just said what it was traversing
and made good output for the user.
Now on level -INFO there are so many messages that I have to turn it
off completely.
Should we revert
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Isn't the regular URI-matching enough that you need an additional naming
scheme ?
No, probably not, but in that case, we need another pipeline state.
- [no attribute] - similar to java 'public'
- internal-only=true - similar
for an xdoc. Where
should it be better located : in user concepts, or developper concepts ?
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. This should make it very easy to implement pipeline
services.
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pipelines) to identify them during the modification
process.
Maybe I've forgot something, but this should be enough for
understanding.
Did he forget anything?
Don't think so. But I may have forgot something also ;)
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Sylvain,
I'm still
on implicit overloading.
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Ok. I understand your concerns. So what about, for this particular case,
having 3 skins : a super-skin that's the one used by other blocks,
that dispatches to concrete skins depending on the environment ?
Hmmm, define dispatches
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map:serialize type=pipeline src=pipeline_uri/
The first two notations, although currently in use, may be changed to
something more consistent with the last ones which are new :
map:redirect-to pipeline=pipeline_uri/
map:generate type=pipeline src=pipeline_uri/
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Yes. I also think there are many components that actually aren't. If we
consider some of the subpackages of org.apache.cocoon.components such as
browser
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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Why should COBs be downloaded from a remote location ? Do you really
think people will allow remote code to run on their production servers ?
No, not remote code, but packages downloaded from remote
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So finally, I'm in favor of removing SAXConnector _now_, but be prepared
to see something appear in the future that will be really orthogonal to
pipelines and will hopefully improve the so-called user experience
when an error occurs !
I
by the root
Processor that handles block mounting.
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transformation of class files can be tremedously powerful,
even if tremedously complicated ;)
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), wouldn't it be simpler to add
input-modules in map:components to locally redefine/augment the set
of input modules defined in cocoon.xconf ? Note that allowing this would
be a first step towards a separate xconf per sitemap, and then cocoon
blocks.
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d) Leave it as it is
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there's a -target release switch to javac.
Yes, and this is set to 1.2 (I
vote for supporting JDK1.4 only.
Please don't do that : how many of your customers are running their big
app servers with 1.4 ? Not that much, if any. Some of our customers even
still run JDK 1.2.2.
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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Per Kreipke wrote:
Is it possible to make the InputModule feature available to 2.0.3 as well as
2.1?
Seems you like this feature, eh ?
Not to rain on the party, but where are the docs that explain us how to
use this stuff
cannot add a JDK 1.2 rt.jar in Cocoon's CVS ?
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a dependency on them,
- compiled sitemap engine is the default one,
- it is feature-frozen, waiting for a release in mid-July.
So you'll have to wait for 2.1 official, or live dangerously with the
current CVS ;)
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?
TreeProcessor nodes know their location, and this may allow the display
of more meaningfull information when an error arises during pipeline
processing (e.g. NullPointerException in transform at sitemap.xmap:341)
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: the getLogger() method now
returns a org.apache.avalon.logger.Logger and no more an
org.apache.log.Logger.
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Christian Haul wrote:
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a) reference to the sitemap's component manager in flow. I have
found two possibilities, either extending some routines' signatures
(many modifications) or placing it into the Environment. But I seem
not to find
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
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Next one is me !
Boohoo, I'm always the last one in strict alphabetical order :(
I'm afraid, you're not the last :(
Well, I'm so used to be the last one that I even forgot your Z...
Damn, I'm no more the first one in reverse order
for request headers,
- request-attr instead of attribute for request attributes,
- session-attr instead of session for session attributes.
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modules in the sitemap is on the way on my PC... Little time =
slow speed, but it should be ready this week. Just as you suggest it,
there's an additional manager parameter to getResolver(), and
resolvers have a release() method as described above.
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of these technologies, just trying to find a
solution for a group stuck on them.
Any ideas?
Geoff Howard
Have a look at ScriptGenerator : on Windows platforms, il allows you to
write generators in VBScript.
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Conal Tuohy wrote:
I haven't yet used the flowmap stuff myself, so I have a possibly naive question:
what would be the flowmap (flowscript?) syntax to return a continuation to the client
as an http cookie
that need lots of
libraries (and this is become more and more the case with servlet-based
web frameworks)
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the community pays back, and you deserve it.
Thanks for reading so far,
Ovidiu
Thanks for this great work,
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. . .
Another related item : while updating the ParanoidClassloader to make it
really paranoid, I encountered an inconsistency in java.lang.ClassLoader
class : getResource() can be overriden, but getResources() is declared
final, meaning
windows, thus leading to
a tree of continuations.
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starting on sunday I'm on a one week vacation to a location near Paris.
So, hopefully I'll be back on monday, 24th.
Enjoy you trip, and beware of chainsaws !
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next?
guess ;-D
Next one is me !
Boohoo, I'm always the last one in strict alphabetical order :(
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entry wasn't enough : Carsten has reverted the changes and
credits are back to their original (invisible) place.
Nobody else wanting more visibility for his Cocoon efforts ?
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Hi folks,
I just came across Jelly at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/jelly/
A quick look at it gives me the impression it could be a killer to
develop custom transfomers. Anyone using it ?
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Hi folks,
I just came across Jelly at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/jelly/
A quick look at it gives me the impression it could be a killer to
develop custom transfomers. Anyone using it ?
How
developer will be able to answer many of the
questions you pose by looking at the XMLForm HOWTO.
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/howto/xmlform-wizard/howto-xmlform-wizard.html
Any experienced Struts developper out there that can give his/her
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Peter Royal wrote:
On Monday 10 June 2002 02:38 pm, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
So in short, my proposal is : remove classloading stuff in CocoonServlet
and move it to ParanoidCocoonServlet. Of course, classpath computation
is left unchanged in CocoonServlet
to
create a classloader for them and set it as the context classloader so
that block-defined classes can be loaded correctly by Avalon.
Tomcat seems to be ok now by travelling up the classloader hierarchy,
but what about other servlet containers ?
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the controller part (i.e. the servlets) ?
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Matthew Langham wrote:
Great to see the Website updated! Thanks Diana for your hard work! Can I
request that we add a couple of additional categories? I had a few
emails
with Sylvain on this and we came up with:
External resources
Cocoon consultants (Struts
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as committers for Cocoon.
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pages *MUST* have submitted at least a patch in the CVS
at some point and *MUST* be voted in by the committers.
This should remove abuses and keep things sane.
What do you think?
These are simple but wise rules, as they will reward active members of
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, as it has to evolve with Cocoon.
What about adding it inside cocoon.jar so that the actual schema used
can be obtained using e.g.
resource://org/apache/cocoon/sitemap/sitemap.xsd ?
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is doing this in the next days,
I will revert the changes next week. Promised. Is this ok?
So, all of you, who have done major donations to Cocoon, please stand up
NOW!
Done : I added a credit for my time that is donated by my company.
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Piroumian Konstantin wrote:
P.S.2. Should Cocoon sitemap Schema belong to Forrest catalogue too?
IMO, it belongs to Cocoon, as it has to evolve with Cocoon.
But what about the public identifier
more popular cousins like Struts. But Cocoon is worth a look.
This once again clearly shows that Cocoon needs marketing !
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/doc-patches/recipes etc. to DocZilla as XML,
via email ;)
ie. if you have a working cocoon server, you can submit docs to the
Cocoon project.
Cocoon being its own documentation edition platform : this would be
really great !
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the root sitemap, the samples sitemap and several sitemaps from samples pass
validation.
Cool !
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Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
Hi!
I've found this line in the 'flow' sample:
map:transformer name=augment
src=org.apache.cocoon.transformation.AugmentTransformer
mime-type=text/xml logger=sitemap.transformer.augment
suggest that we consider unprefixed variables to belong to a builtin
sitemap module, which can be named explicitely, for example if the
variable name contains a colon, e.g. {sitemap:foo:bar}.
Please place your votes !
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Hi team,
We all agree to add module-based sitemap variables, but we didn't came
to a consensus about it's syntax. So let's vote to make a choice. To
illustrate each possible syntax, I will consider the substitution of the
foo request parameter
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On 27.May.2002 -- 10:32 AM, Christian Haul wrote:
On 26.May.2002 -- 01:35 PM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Christian Haul wrote:
On 24.May.2002 -- 04:00 PM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Chris, what about passing the full object model
of forrest.
Thoughts ?
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Sorry for the delay : this subject is of great interest to me but I
had some more-than-urgent work.
I think you're going too far, for two reasons :
- you introduce heavy back-incompatibility issues by requiring all
variables to be prefixed (i.e. the sitemap prefix
.
module:moduletouse:/path/to/param?moduleattr=value
or:
moduletouse:/path/to/param?moduleattr=value
Samples:
module:request:myparam
or:
request:myparam
sql:mytable/mycolumn?key=value
I like these two last examples.
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FYI, the great guys at Q42 have written a clone of IE's contentEditable
for Mozilla.
Check it out at http://xopus.org/index.jsp?menu=mozce : although still
rudimentary, it shows a lot of potential.
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Christian Haul wrote:
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Now what about allowing the use of InputModules in sitemap variable
substitution ? For this, we need to extend the variable naming scheme :
if a variable name contains a colon (':'), the string before the colon
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Hi team,
I looked at Chris's modules in mod-db and thought about using them for
sitemap variable substitution.
Up to now, sitemap variables can only be set by matchers and actions,
and we thus have a number of them whose primary
only states
stylesheet directed termination. Maybe the exception passed to the
ErrorListener should be buffered to be rethrown at the end of processing.
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duration ?
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Chris, what about passing the full object model instead of just the
Request to {Input, Output}Modules ? This would allow a wider range of
implementations.
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-Dbuild.compiler=xxx on the command line
(see Ant docs).
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used by other components triggered by the pipelined SAX
events.
Thoughts (especially Carsten master of sources) ?
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Geoff Howard wrote:
I like all that -- assume it would involve fairly invasive restructuring of the
whole pipeline process, but need to go read up on the prior discussion you mention.
This change will be fairly easy with event
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Updating this class should solve the problem.
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of pipelines :
- non-caching,
- caching and synchronously validated,
- caching and asynchronously validated.
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What about a 2-sided configuration :
- in cocoon.xconf, declare a new source-handler specific to a particular
CVS repository
source-handler
protocol name=cocoon-cvs class=...CVSSourceFactory
cvsroot:pserver:@cvs.apache.org:/home
pipe-aware
selectors that were discussed a while ago.
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webapp allowing to edit the Apache CVS directly from the web leads to
important security issues, and so it would have to be read-only.
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Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Nevertheless, the treeprocessor allows to name an alternate
configuration file using the config attribute recently added by
Ovidiu. If you want to, we can also allow the full treeprocessor
configuration
treeprocessor
configuration to be present in cocoon.xconf.
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the xmlizer from avalon to our environment.SourceResolver interface
- fixing some minor problems in the cocoon protocol
- Migrating the WritableSource and DelayedSource parts
Carsten
Cool job, Carsten. Just tell me if you need my help for the latest todo
item.
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Sylvain Wallez
-side-effect ! It should be fixed now. It should be the last
one (at least I hope so :)
Sylvain
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Sylvain Wallez
Anyware Technologies Apache Cocoon
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/bugfixes!
Hope this helps !
Sylvain
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For additional
-effect of your patch : keys in the Map stack are no more
Strings. Should be fixed now (please cross-check).
(just coming back from a few days off-list. I now have to flush my mail
box... )
Sylvain
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Sylvain Wallez
Anyware Technologies Apache Cocoon
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standard (just as it's not the one
in use in my company), but please use it for code consistency.
Remember also that JavaDoc is HTML and thus a new line in the comment
doesn't produce a new line in the javadoc.
Thanks,
Sylvain
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Sylvain Wallez
Anyware Technologies Apache Cocoon
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