Please note this is not an official statement on behalf of the
foundation. If you need an official one, please contact the Apache
Licencing Group at ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
These are only my thinking based on passed experiences and threads on
that licensing@ mail list.
Kevin O'Neill wrote:
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Subject: Re: [ANN] XMLForm as a standalone servlet toolkit
Please note this is not an official statement on behalf of the
foundation. If you need an official one, please contact the Apache
Licencing Group at ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
These are only my thinking based on passed experiences
Hello all,
I would like to see an official replay to Kevin's questions.
Thanks,
Artur...
-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin O'Neill
I understand your point and agree with it. I would like to however ask
some follow up questions :).
Say
ivelin wrote:
That is not the issue. We mean that a community member
would discuss any perceived issue with their peers. You did
not provide cocoon-dev with feedback or notify about a problem.
Over the last few months I have asked multiple times when is 2.1 going to be
labeled Alpha.
Maybe
ivelin wrote:
The difference is that we all chipped in as part of the
community to help finish the re-factoring. All that we
heard from you was bleating from the sidelines, urging us
to release a product that is not ready.
You should probably speak for yourself instead of hiding behind we
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I have looked at the code you distribute and you are in clear
violation of the ASF license and the ASF guidelines for these reasons:
OK, I don't want to delve into whether Ivelin's move is right or not
from a community POV (but yes, I do share
On 28/3/03 6:54 am, Kevin O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:07:01 +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 28/3/03 0:41, Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What am I missing?
org.APACHE...
That name is protected by the license AFAIK, but am no lawyer at all...
Let me explain, maybe the goodwill will prevail.
Otherwise this will turn into another example of a sad finish of an exciting
jorney.
snip/
I am sure goodwill is a main reason but some question come to my mind
*) why don't you wanna share your thoughts with us and let us
(or at least some of
ivelin wrote:
So, Stefano, since you have your PMC chairman hat on, tell me if we can
create an incubator project
I will gladly commit the new code to it.
If not, what other options do you suggest.
You took part of cocoon and forked it.
You didn't say anything about this, you just acted and
Kevin O'Neill wrote:
I don't believe that points 4 and 5 are violated by package
org.apache.xmlform any more than the statement import
org.apache.xmlform; the license precludes neither one of these things.
There is a huge difference between
package org.apache.xmlform;
and
import
Torsten Curdt wrote:
Let me explain, maybe the goodwill will prevail.
Otherwise this will turn into another example of a sad finish of an
exciting
jorney.
snip/
I am sure goodwill is a main reason but some question come to my mind
*) why don't you wanna share your thoughts with us and let us
On 28/03/2003 5:22 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
What about creating an (experimental) branch for xmlform?
That would be nice.
Exactly. Then again, Ivelin is looking into making XMLForm independent
from Cocoon IIUC from the freebuilder CVS. I don't know whether a branch
would liberate him
At 09:27 AM 3/28/2003, Ivelin wrote:
On 28/03/2003 5:22 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
What about creating an (experimental) branch for xmlform?
That would be nice.
Exactly. Then again, Ivelin is looking into making XMLForm independent
from Cocoon IIUC from the freebuilder CVS. I don't know
Let me explain, maybe the goodwill will prevail.
Otherwise this will turn into another example of a sad finish of an
exciting
jorney.
snip/
I am sure goodwill is a main reason but some question come to my mind
*) why don't you wanna share your thoughts with us and let us
(or at
I could be opening a can of worms here, but can I butt in and ask if this
move
was promted out of frustration with the somewhat messy build and samples
refactoring?
This played its part too.
New Guy Geoff
Made the requested chages.
Please verify if they work for ASF?
-=Ivelin=-
- Original Message -
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ANN] XMLForm as a standalone servlet toolkit
ivelin wrote:
So
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet: [ANN] XMLForm as a standalone servlet toolkit
I've decided to extract XMLForm as a standalone toolkit in order to be able
to faster develop experimental branches without affecting Cocoon.
The plan is to merge more successful advancements back into Cocoon.
Also
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using both XMLForm AND Cocoon functionalities.
Does it mean that XMLForm won't be part of Cocoon (2.1) in the future?
No, so don't worry.
Stefano.
ivelin wrote:
Made the requested chages.
Please verify if they work for ASF?
pmc-chair-hat-on
Much nicer, but there are still a few issues:
1) you are shipping your code with the Apache Software License and you
are granting copyright to the ASF for your stuff. This is still not
acceptable for
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:25:00 +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Kevin O'Neill wrote:
I don't believe that points 4 and 5 are violated by package
org.apache.xmlform any more than the statement import
org.apache.xmlform; the license precludes neither one of these things.
There is a huge
ivelin wrote:
(And why did he not make any attempt to attribute who said what?)
Someone said:
I am sure goodwill is a main reason but some question come to my mind
*) why don't you wanna share your thoughts with us and let us
(or at least some of us) together steer the direction of
ivelin wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
Exactly. Then again, Ivelin is looking into making XMLForm
independent from Cocoon IIUC from the freebuilder CVS.
I don't know whether a branch
would liberate him sufficiently enough (which is if course
not our concern).
The goal is to be able to
That is not the issue. We mean that a community member
would discuss any perceived issue with their peers. You did
not provide cocoon-dev with feedback or notify about a problem.
Over the last few months I have asked multiple times when is 2.1 going to be
labeled Alpha.
Maybe you did not
The difference is that we all chipped in as part of the
community to help finish the re-factoring. All that we
heard from you was bleating from the sidelines, urging us
to release a product that is not ready.
You should probably speak for yourself instead of hiding behind we all.
It is by
pmc-chair-hat-on
Much nicer, but there are still a few issues:
1) you are shipping your code with the Apache Software License and you
are granting copyright to the ASF for your stuff. This is still not
acceptable for the ASF guidelines since there is no proper legal
oversight on what
Message -
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ANN] XMLForm as a standalone servlet toolkit (decoupling
XMLForm?)
Le Vendredi, 28 mars 2003, à 17:58 Europe/Zurich, Bertrand Delacretaz a
écrit :
...Then it might
On Friday 28 March 2003 17:45, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 28/3/03 6:54 am, Kevin O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
5. Products derived from this software may not be called Apache, nor
may Apache appear in their name, without prior written permission of
the Apache Software Foundation.
It
On Friday 28 March 2003 17:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I identified my namespaces with something like
http://www.microsoft.com/whatever;, I would get their lawyers knocking
on my doors even if, I'm sure, there is no license I signed or
clicked-thru that prevented me
I've decided to extract XMLForm as a standalone toolkit in order to be able
to faster develop experimental branches without affecting Cocoon.
The plan is to merge more successful advancements back into Cocoon.
Also, it can hopefully be a jumping board for beginners and smaller projects
that are
PMC chait hat on:
ivelin wrote:
I've decided to extract XMLForm as a standalone toolkit in order to be able
to faster develop experimental branches without affecting Cocoon.
I have looked at the code you distribute and you are in clear violation
of the ASF license and the ASF guidelines for
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I have looked at the code you distribute and you are in clear violation
of the ASF license and the ASF guidelines for these reasons:
OK, I don't want to delve into whether Ivelin's move is right or not
from a community POV (but yes, I do share Steven and Torsten's
On 28/3/03 0:41, Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What am I missing?
org.APACHE...
That name is protected by the license AFAIK, but am no lawyer at all...
Plus, I believe that we have some board resolution implying that all code
owned and copyrighted by the ASF must be stored and
: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ANN] XMLForm as a standalone servlet toolkit
On 28/3/03 0:41, Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What am I missing?
org.APACHE...
That name is protected by the license AFAIK, but am no lawyer at all...
Plus, I believe that we have
ivelin wrote:
...
So, Stefano, since you have your PMC chairman hat on, tell me if we can
create an incubator project.
I will gladly commit the new code to it.
If not, what other options do you suggest.
What about creating an (experimental) branch for xmlform?
Vadim
-=Ivelin=-
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:07:01 +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 28/3/03 0:41, Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What am I missing?
org.APACHE...
That name is protected by the license AFAIK, but am no lawyer at all...
I'm also not a lawyer but I find the statement worrying and if
On 28/03/2003 5:22 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
What about creating an (experimental) branch for xmlform?
Exactly. Then again, Ivelin is looking into making XMLForm independent
from Cocoon IIUC from the freebuilder CVS. I don't know whether a branch
would liberate him sufficiently enough (which is if
Ivelin,
From: ivelin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, let's do some constructive talking.
You probably remember the endless threads that were started
in the last few months regarding the complexity of Cocoon and
the fact that it continuously misses its release dates. I am
only
On 27/03/2003 14:35 ivelin wrote:
I've decided to extract XMLForm as a standalone toolkit in order to be able
to faster develop experimental branches without affecting Cocoon.
I find this sad and would like to see a real rationale, and how you
'plan' to recontribute 'advancements'.
In case you
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