Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Bill Dueber writes: What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches with z39.50? I'm looping through a list of MARC records trying to determine whether or not we own multiple copies of an item. After reading MARC field 245, subfield a I am creating the following z39.50

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 [resolved]

2009-04-28 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Apr 27, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches with z39.50? Thank you for all the prompt and helpful replies. The most precise and complete magic incantation came from Larry Dixon of the Library of Congress: Exact match in

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com The irony is that Z39.50 actually make _much_ more effort to specify semantics than most other standards -- and yet still finds itself in the situation where many implementations do not respond correctly to the BIB-1 attribute 6=3 (completeness=complete

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 [resolved]

2009-04-28 Thread David Fiander
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote: Wow, isn't the Internet cool, and /me wonders, Did the Bath Profile come from... Bath? [2] Yes. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/bath/tp-bath2.1-e.htm#c

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress writes: The irony is that Z39.50 actually make _much_ more effort to specify semantics than most other standards -- and yet still finds itself in the situation where many implementations do not respond correctly to the BIB-1 attribute 6=3

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
Right, Mike. There is a long and rich history of the debate between loose and strict interpretation, in the world at large, and in particular, within Z39.50, this debate raged from the late 1980s throughout the 90s. The faction that said If you can't give the client what is asks for, at least

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Walker, David
I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I was just looking at our metasearch logs this morning, so did a quick count: 93% of the searches were keyword searches. Not a lot of exactness required there. It's mostly in the 7% who are doing more specific searches

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking specifically about metasearch, but rather, bad decisions getting replicated and you end up with an installed base of bad implementations. The best illustration

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Jonathan Rochkind writes: I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking specifically about metasearch, but rather, bad decisions getting replicated and you end up with an installed base of bad implementations. The best illustration would be

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. HTML is a wonderful standard. And I don't mean to take the discussion off-course. My point was simply that because early browsers did not