To offer a counterpoint to no PHP folks, One reason I like PHP is because
right now its pretty much essential to know if you are using open source web
applications like MediaWiki, Wordpress or Drupal. I feel like Javascript is
also a must for web work.
Agreed. I actually hated both PHP and
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM, jenny jennynotanyd...@gmail.com wrote:
My question is, where would you recommend I would begin? What's hot
right now in the library world? Python, PERL, Ruby? Any advice you'd
have for a beginner like me or even recommendations for online courses
would be
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu
wrote:
I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your
goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your
disposal. PHP is a fine language for building dynamic web pages, but it
won't
If you don't have access to Safari or books 24x7 through other means
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On 3/25/2010 10:24, Brian Stamper wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu
wrote:
I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your
goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your
disposal. PHP is a fine language for
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Brian Stamper wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu
wrote:
I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your goal
is to have a general purpose programming language at your disposal. PHP is
a fine language for
Contemporary library web development: a Series of Hoses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
MJ
On 2010-03-25, at 11:00 AM, Joe Hourcle wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Brian Stamper wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu
wrote:
I wouldn't
On 3/24/2010 17:43, Joe Hourcle wrote:
I know there's a lot of stuff written in it, but *please* don't
recommend PHP to beginners.
Yes, you can get a lot of stuff done with it, but I've had way too many
incidents where newbie coders didn't check their inputs, and we've had
to clean up after
As someone who uses PHP to do the small things I would recommend using
Python or another language. I am trying to transition away from PHP to
Python as it is not a panacea. PHP's great for web scripting but was never
intended to do all of the duct taped projects that I have put together with
it.
You should /join #code4lib. Only there will you learn the secret one
true path to wisdom.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Bachtell
matthewbacht...@gmail.com wrote:
As someone who uses PHP to do the small things I would recommend using
Python or another language. I am trying to
He means JavaScript. ;)
Honestly, though, PHP and all it's fault not withstanding, I highly
recommend starting with a C syntax-based language such as JavaScript,
PHP, Java, or even C# (and obviously C and C++). Get some basic
programming concepts understood, and then pursue the language the
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle
onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote:
You say that as if duct tape is a bad thing for auto repairs. Not all duct
tape repairs are candidates for There, I fixed it![1]. It works just fine
for the occassional hose repair.
At the risk of taking an
Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle
onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote:
You say that as if duct tape is a bad thing for auto repairs. Not all
duct
tape
I remember watching a show once where they tested various tapes for
suitability of duct patching. Duct tape actually came in quite low on the
list.
To provide lab data about which sealants and tapes last, and which are
likely to fail, research was conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National
Quack.
-Mike
P.S. Oh, duct.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:55, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote:
Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle
Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts.
Actually, true story:
I was in the hardware store, poking around the tape section, with a roll of
your typical silver duct tape in my hand, obviously browsing. An employee came
up to me asking what I was looking for, and for what purpose.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Yitzchak Schaffer wrote:
On 3/24/2010 17:43, Joe Hourcle wrote:
I know there's a lot of stuff written in it, but *please* don't
recommend PHP to beginners.
Yes, you can get a lot of stuff done with it, but I've had way too many
incidents where newbie coders didn't check
On 3/24/2010 4:47 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
Just so I can use some of my favorite technical jargon, you need to find a
reference implementation. That's a fancy way of saying, find the simplest
example you can. Then just copy and tweak the code until you grok
it. There's an infinite amount to
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Aaron Rubinstein
arubi...@library.umass.edu wrote:
This is some of the best advice. Reading and adapting good code has been my
favorite way to learn. There was a discussion a couple years back on a
code4lib code repository of some kind[1]. I'd love to
Web Environment Manager. Virginia Commonwealth University Libraries
seeks faculty candidates for the position of Web Environment Manager,
responsible for delivering an exemplary online library presence to the
VCU community. Position reports to the Head of Library Information
Systems.
Newbie programmers (and established ones still looking to improve)
might be interested in this blog article that I wrote a few days ago
about some of the best programmers I've had the privilege of working
with:
On 3/25/2010 12:47 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
I disagreed with this back in the day, and I still disagree with
running our own code repository. There are too many good code hosting
solutions out there for this to be justifiable. We used to run an SVN
repo at code4lib.org, but we never bothered
Google code has project feeds in Atom, too.
--Dave
==
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Library Web Services Manager
California State University
http://xerxes.calstate.edu
From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron
Rubinstein
What is normally labeled duct tape is usually a single layer of cheese cloth
with some type of vinyl or plastic on one side and adhesive on the other
basically. Duct tape that will pass state inspection, at least where I live,
is normally sold as a thin piece of aluminum with adhesive and a
Apologies for cross-posting
Digital Preservation Management: Short-Term Solutions for Long-Term
Problems
Location: The Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, USA
Dates: June 13-18, 2010
We are very pleased that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
will host the
The proper name is actually Duck
Tapehttp://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/02/magazine/the-way-we-live-now-3-02-03-on-language-why-a-duck.html?sec=spon=pagewanted=all,
yet unlike Duck Typing, it makes everything it touches more reliable.
Discuss.
However, C4L10 exposed a major gap in my meeting-tech
Simon you can purchase the dongles at the Mac store (did it for
another conference the week after code4lib).
Also thank you all for the duck tape info. This explains why the duck
tape i used to attach the dryer vent ducts didn't work. i shall now
go by the proper tape.
and now this
I thought Duck Tape was a brand of duct tape?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:
Simon you can purchase the dongles at the Mac store (did it for
another conference the week after code4lib).
Also thank you all for the duck tape info. This explains why
Programming languages as with many other things, are arbitrary. They aren't
carved into stone tablets -- they're all made up. Some are better suited for
certain problems than others. If you don't like any out there, go invent your
own. To argue that one language is better than another is
Agreed -- I coded up many nice SQL injection vulnerabilities before I ever
learned PHP. As for Perl, anyone remember the notorious formmail.cgi from
Matt's Script Archive?
For **web** programming specifically, it's critically important for newbies to
get a grounding in security issues,
Hi,
We have a “Digital Library Applications Programmer” position opening at
the University of Pennsylvania Library. To be a bit more specific than
the official announcement:
* We have built a Solr-based system (the “DLA”) that we use to deliver
various digital collections and catalogs. For
Speaking of Regular Expression, O'Reilly Media has an ebook deal of
the day for the Regular Expression Cookbook ($9.99, use code DDREC)
[1]
OK. I don't know if it's OK to post the info like above, but they
advertise that on their Facebook page [2] and I can't resist sharing
the saving.
ranti.
I love how we changed the name of this thread to PHP bashing just in time for
it to become a thread about duct tape.
And y'all are forgetting the best automotive use for duct tape: as a temporary
scaffolding for smearing Bondo onto.
I just did this, in fact, and have the pink residue on my
I think it's perfectly sensible to declare that there is one best language.
Here is the current spec for it:
http://lolcode.com/specs/1.2
The only place where I seriously take issue with this language is in their
misspelling of kthxbai, but perhaps that is an internal joke sort of like
Finally, I never would have put the strings PHP and sexiness in a
sentence together (though I guess I just did).
A simple Google search shows how very wrong you are:
sexy php - 56,100,000 results
sexy asp - 8,380,000
sexy java - 6,360,000
sexy ruby - 2,840,000
sexy perl - 532,000
sexy C++ -
Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes:
sexy ruby - 72,200
sexy python - 37,900
sexy php - 25,100
sexy java - 16,100
sexy asp - 14,800
sexy perl - 8,080
sexy C++ - 177
sexy FORTRAN - 67
sexy COBOL - 8
I tried sexy lisp but the results were skewed by speech impediment fetishes.
Which I'd
Ruby may be sexy but sexy ruby on rails gets only four hits. As
for sexy python, well, no comment.
T
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson
andrew.hankin...@gmail.com wrote:
Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes:
sexy ruby - 72,200
sexy python - 37,900
sexy php - 25,100
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