I've been involved in several projects lambasted
because managers think MARCXML is solving
some imaginary problem
It seems to me that this is really the heart of your argument. You had this
experience, and now are projecting the opinions of these managers onto lots of
people in the
Has anyone out there built a distributed application using Hadoop (or
another MapReduce framework) and FOP? I'm interested in ways we can
potentially allow our XSL:FO processing to scale.
Mark A. Matienzo
Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives
Yale University Library
One way is to first transform the MARC into MARC-XML. Then you can
use XSLT to crosswalk the MARC-XML
into that other schema. Very handy.
Your criticisms of MARC-XML all seem to presume that MARC-XML is the
goal, the end point in the process.
But MARC-XML is really better seen as a utility,
But it looks just like the old thing using insert data scheme and some
templates?
Ah yes, but now we're doing it in XML!
I think this applies to 90% of instances where XML was adopted, especially
within the enterprise IT industry. Through marketing or misunderstanding,
XML was
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Alex,
I think the problem is data like this:
http://lccn.loc.gov/96516389/marcxml
And while we can probably figure out a pattern to get the semantics
out this record, there is no telling how many other variations exist
within our collections.
So we've got lots of this data that is both hard to
This is no justification for not doing things better. (And I'd love to
know what the hard bits are; always interesting to hear from various
people as to what they think are the *real* problems of library
problems, as opposed to any other problem they have)
The problem is you have to deal
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote:
Sorry. That was rude, and uncalled for. I disagree that the problem is
easily solved, even without the politics. There've been lots of attempts to
try to come up with a sufficiently expressive toolset for dealing with
Whoops, that was bus 61B not 61D.
//Ed
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote:
Kind of last
The METS Editorial Board is starting to think about what a METS 2.0
might look like / assess the need for a METS 2.0.
To that end, we have put together a little While Paper
Reimagining METS: An Exploration
http://bit.ly/cySIM1
suggested suplemental reading for Reimagining METS
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 03:32 +0200, Alexander Johannesen wrote:
Here's our new thing. And we did it by simply converting all our
MARC into MARCXML that runs on a cron job every midnight, and a bit of
horrendous XSLT that's impossible to maintain.
I am in the development department of our
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I think:
1. Marc must die. It has lived long enough.
2. But everybody uses Marc (which is in fact good), too many people are keeping
it alive.
3. MARC in XML does not solve the problem, but it makes the suffering so much
less painful
Peter
Political? For sure. Engineering? Not so much.
Ok. Solve it. Let us know when you're done.
Wow, lamest reply so far. Surely you could muster a tad bit better? I
was excited about getting a list of the hardest problems, for example,
I'd love to see that. Then by that perhaps you could explain
Hi,
Unlike Link/360, Serials Solution's Summon API is extremely cumbersome to
use - requiring, for instance, that requests be digitally signed. (*)
Has anybody developed a proxy server for Summon that makes its API public
(e.g. receives requests, signs them, forwards them to Summon, and relays
Congratulations on discovering python. It will serve you much better
than php, or any other scripting language.
Skipping to the punch-line, you should dive into python before you
dive in django:
http://diveintopython.org/
You will have a very much more easy time if you learn how to debug a
I'd suspect that MARCXML isn't going anywhere fast, a shame perhaps.
The key difference between MARCXML and MARC is that MARCXML inherits
XMLs internationalisation features.
It is an aspect at which MARC is very poor.
Andrew
--
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Senior Project Manager, Research and
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It looks like a simple ride on the 61D bus:
On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Alexander Johannesen wrote:
Political? For sure. Engineering? Not so much.
Ok. Solve it. Let us know when you're done.
Wow, lamest reply so far. Surely you could muster a tad bit better? I
was excited about getting a list of the hardest problems, for example,
This is a tiny bit of mailing list administratativia:
1) there are about 1,500 hundred of us
2) we are from all over the world
3) the largest group is from gmail.com
4) the mailing list is configured to stop
processing after 50 message are sent in one day
5) 50 messages were sent
VuFind (http://vufind.org) has a built-in Summon module. I won't make claims
about ease of use relative to Wordpress, but installing VuFind is pretty
straightforward (especially under Ubuntu, where you can take advantage of a
.DEB package), and using it to access Summon is a matter of putting
Looks like a more recent version of the Ruby library can be found here:
https://github.com/summon/summon.rb
Jason
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Godmar Back god...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Unlike Link/360, Serials Solution's Summon API is extremely cumbersome to
use - requiring, for instance,
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On 10/27/10 10:04 AM, Johan Oomen wrote:
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Crosswalking doesn't hold water as a justification for MARCXML.
To be fair, though, most of us have simpler cross walking needs than OCLC.
And if I need to go from binary MARC to some XML schema (which I sometimes do),
then MARC-XML and the XSLT style sheets at LOC seem like a pretty good
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote:
Can that limit threshold be raised? If so, are there reasons why it should
not be raised?
Is it to throttle spam or something? 50 seems rather low, and it's
rather depressing to have a lively discussion throttled like
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Elliot Hallmark permafact...@gmail.com wrote:
However, I switched to this other scripting
language, python, because it could do things php cant.
Not to start a flame, but that's a rather big statement which I think
A) needs backing up, and B) is probably untrue.
I believe the software documentation suggests a limit to put a stop to mail
loops.
Peter
On Oct 27, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Alexander Johannesen wrote:
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote:
Can that limit threshold be raised? If so, are there reasons why it
Alexander Johannesen wrote:
Is it to throttle spam or something? 50 seems rather low, and it's
rather depressing to have a lively discussion throttled like that. Not
Pretty sure it wasn't depressing to the vast majority of the listserv
audience. That was/is a discussion that benefited
+1 to the this discussion is really depressing me camp.
On Oct 27, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
Alexander Johannesen wrote:
Is it to throttle spam or something? 50 seems rather low, and it's
rather depressing to have a lively discussion throttled like that.
Not
I'd like to once again point out the 50-message limit, and the fact
that this thread is rapidly chewing through that 50.
Surely there are some code or lib topics folks want to discuss.
-Mike
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
Pretty sure it wasn't depressing to the vast majority of the listserv
audience. That was/is a discussion that benefited from a timeout period,
like you give the pre-schoolers.
Given we're adults, and not in pre-school,
FWIW, the daily-threshold limit on a LISTSERV(tm) list can easily be
set to any value by the listowner; it can also be manually overridden by
the owner in specific cases with a release command (which retains the
limit but allows continued distribution on the day the limit is reached).
Using the
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick cf...@stanford.edu wrote:
+1 to the this discussion is really depressing me camp.
Ok, ok, I get the message. This is no place to voice strong opinions
about bad library tech, and my (different, but not bad) language nor
stance (contrarian,
I vote for changing the limit threshold to
PI * (eventual length of this meta-thread).
On Oct 27, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Alexander Johannesen wrote:
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote:
Can that limit threshold be raised? If so, are there reasons why it
I think the constraint is that it has to be a rational number.
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UBC Library Systems
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On 10-10-27 3:18 PM, Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress r...@loc.gov
wrote:
I think the constraint is that it has to be a rational number.
For instance,
my first project in python involved capturing keyboard input before
windows heard about it. Then I kept discovering amazing things python
can do that php cant.
For instance, PHP can do this fine. Was there something in particular
you're thinking of that PHP can't do?
Yes,
Hola, compadre,
Elliot Hallmark permafact...@gmail.com wrote:
Other things beyond that seemed
awkward, difficult, or impossible from what I knew. python immediately
jumped out to me as a tool more suited to these tasks.
The fact that Python has a looping run-time environment is, of course,
a
Ray, I think that the constraint makes more sense as a positive real number.
While the length of a thread will never be exactly a non-integer length, it
will eventually exceed any finite real-valued limit imposed, which is all
that's necessary.
(Actually, the non-negative part is optional. A
David --
I think we need to test the last assumption against the real code. While it is
a rational (so to speak) interpretation, the code might be buggy enough to not
let any messages through -- including the first -- when the limit is set to 0.
Peter
On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:47 PM, David
We have now used one third of today's allocation in discussing the
size of the daily allocation. Just sayin', is all.
On 28 October 2010 01:04, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote:
David --
I think we need to test the last assumption against the real code. While it
is a rational
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Alexander Johannesen
alexander.johanne...@gmail.com wrote:
From my experience, it seemed php was a server side
scripting language.
Strictly speaking, so is Python.
Actually, Python is a general purpose programming language. It was not
created specifically for
Olá, como vai?
Luciano Ramalho luci...@ramalho.org wrote:
Actually, Python is a general purpose programming language. It was not
created specifically for server side scripting like PHP was. But it is
very suitable to that task.
I'm not sure talking about what something used to be is as
Come on guys, I was just getting my popcorn ready.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com wrote:
We have now used one third of today's allocation in discussing the
size of the daily allocation. Just sayin', is all.
On 28 October 2010 01:04, Peter Murray
I expect the length of the thread to be irrational; so perhaps that's not a
problem.
On Oct 27, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote:
I think the constraint is that it has to be a rational number.
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