[CODE4LIB] Job: Manager, Trove at National Library of Australia

2013-01-24 Thread jobs
Shape and deliver inclusion of Australia's diverse digital heritage in this innovative national service. Guide and contribute to engagement with the public and the research sector. [Trove](http://trove.nla.gov.au/) is a free-to-the-public national resource discovery and delivery service which

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Van Mil, James (vanmiljf)
Hi Bill, There's a lightweight python client: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sushipy/ (I haven't used it, just know *of* it) Thanks, James James Van Mil Collections Electronic Resources Librarian University of Cincinnati Libraries Telephone: (513)556-1410 vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Shaun Ellis
After further thought, I'm uncomfortable with the word uncomfortable, and I regret using it. In fact, it doesn't appear in the anti-harrassment policy at all. I think the essence of the policy is to provide a safe and non-threatening space. I can only speak for myself, but I'm not committed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Keays
The one I know of is http://code.google.com/p/sushicounterclient/ which is offered by Serial Solutions. It's a .NET framework. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Van Mil, James (vanmiljf) vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu wrote: Hi Bill, There's a lightweight python client:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Keays
Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if it was done by online vote. The ONLY decisions that have been done by

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Keays
From the NISO list, JISC's SUSHI Starter, written in PHP, looks pretty good. http://cclibweb-4.dmz.cranfield.ac.uk/projects/sushistarters/ On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Van Mil, James (vanmiljf)
We also have a developers listserv, if you run into any challenges: http://www.niso.org/lists/sushidevelopers/ (I'm on the SUSHI maintenance committee) Thanks, James James Van Mil Collections Electronic Resources Librarian University of Cincinnati Libraries Telephone: (513)556-1410

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Dueber
Yeah -- I found that right away. Most of what's there appears to be abandonware. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Shaun Ellis
Any policy that could result in people being removed or banned for failing to comply warrants a group decision. Unless anyone presumes to speak for the group, online voting is the only tool we have to make it official. I understand it's new territory, but does anyone have a problem with it?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Stirnaman
It looks like the Metridoc project might have one: https://code.google.com/p/metridoc/source/search?q=sushiorigq=sushibtnG=Search+Trunk No idea if it's working, but I'd be really interested in hearing an update on Metridoc - if Thomas or anyone else involved is listening. Jason Stirnaman

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Ed Summers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote: More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether or not to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Cary Gordon
The bottom line is that, technically, code4lib does not, AKAIK, exist. It's one piece of property, the domain name is in your name. Everything else is donated or lent. Code4lib has no formal governance. It is more like a clique than an organization. The question of whether we want to adopt formal

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Constabaris
Hi Jason et al, No idea if Tommy is about but we've sort of started using Metridoc at NCSU. I'm serious about that sort of ... It's kind of morphed in the last little while to become a set of Grails plugins, and I spent a lot of time fighting with Grails (although I see what they're going for

[CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created

2013-01-24 Thread Bohyun Kim
Hi all~ I was not familiar with the code4lib IRC bot (or irc bot in general for that matter), and the recent discussion on the listserv made me curious. BTW I fully support the idea of removing offensive content, and big thanks to those who have been working on cleaning up those stuff. In any

Re: [CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created

2013-01-24 Thread stuart yeates
On 25/01/13 09:47, Bohyun Kim wrote: Hi all~ I was not familiar with the code4lib IRC bot (or irc bot in general for that matter), and the recent discussion on the listserv made me curious. BTW I fully support the idea of removing offensive content, and big thanks to those who have been

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Shaun Ellis
Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is right to point out. No one is suggesting that Code4Lib needs to develop a governance system or that there need to be any future rules. We just

Re: [CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created

2013-01-24 Thread Reese, Terry
Looking at that, the only absolutely library-specific content there appears to be the MARC plugin (which isn't documented in detail). MARC and not well documented...that sounds about right.  --tr * Terry Reese, Associate Professor Gray Family Chair for

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Shaun Ellis
I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread BWS Johnson
Salve! I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? Or has a specific issue come up, and I'm just

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-24 Thread Ed Summers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is right to point out. I added ABSTENTIONS.txt and OPPOSERS.txt to the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread James Stuart
I think that a voting process which involves working both with github, the issue tracker, and presumably using the network map of branches seems a bit ornate, puts a barrier to contribution up, and is likely to be confusing. I think that if a /whatever policy is developed for how does C4L decide

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Ed Summers
So we have a reasonable policy in place. Can we now tackle the creepy things as they come up? I am not opposed to voting about this. It just seems like a crazy thing to do, because I can't imagine anyone would be opposed to it. But maybe I lack imagination. //Ed On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Fitchett, Deborah
No, it doesn't sound that reasonable to me, actually. There's a code of conduct which has been developed the way Code4Lib develops things: ie the work's been done by people who're interested in doing the work. What's special about anti-harassment that it alone should bear the burden of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Ranti Junus
Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Gary McGath
A non-organization without a defined membership can't have votes on anything. At best it can have straw polls; the decision falls with the person or people running the service or activity. They can decide to go with the straw poll, but it's still their decision. On 1/24/13 4:37 PM, Shaun Ellis

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Francis Kayiwa
Ranti Junus wrote: Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Ranti Junus
My question has been addressed. Looks like I am allowed to beat first and then report to Francis (my hero!) I will leave up to Francis to decide how he would implement the sanction. thanks, ranti. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: Ranti Junus wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Fitchett, Deborah
If you're harassed to the point that you have to beat the person senseless then you should strongly consider reporting the incident to the police. Or a lawyer, in case for some reason the harasser doesn't tell the truth about why they got beaten senseless and the police end up involved anyway.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 1/24/2013 5:32 PM, Gary McGath wrote: A non-organization without a defined membership can't have votes on anything. Sure it can, we've DONE it. How can we have done something impossible? But we do it when we think it's the best way to proceed, the most efficient way to arriving at the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Gary McGath
If it gets to that point it's the police who'll have to decide whether you were acting in self-defense or not. When things reach the level of violence or a clear threat, it doesn't matter what the convention policy is; it's a question of who committed a crime. Just what are we talking about,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Fitchett, Deborah
People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems strange. People did speak up. Some people listened and did something about it; some

[CODE4LIB] OL support (was Re: [CODE4LIB] Anybody using the Open Library APIs?)

2013-01-24 Thread Dan Chudnov
Karen - I've been wondering about this lately, digging around in code at github, noticing a lot of somewhat aging commit dates, etc. I am joining the ol-tech list and will ask there, too, but given your history with the project, do you have a sense of whether IA folks might welcome a modest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Ross Singer
On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Fitchett, Deborah deborah.fitch...@lincoln.ac.nz wrote: People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-24 Thread Fitchett, Deborah
When I quote ~you're spoiling our fun it's at the level of a paraphrase of one aspect of a synthesis of actual responses. It wasn't by any means the whole conversation; I don't recall if it was even the whole of any one person's response; but it was one prominent theme that came out of the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Tablets to help with circulation services

2013-01-24 Thread Cornel Darden Jr.
I think iPads are great tools to be used in libraries. Are you guys iRoving or looking into it? On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Ian Walls iwa...@library.umass.edu wrote: The original (white) Square reader is unencrypted, and the output can be read by an app, but you'll need to a) know how to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Introduction

2013-01-24 Thread Cary Gordon
Com e Code4LibCon at UIC. There are still a couple days left to buy tickets! http://www.regonline.com/code4lib2013 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Sorry for being rude. I asked a question without first introducing myself. My name is