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Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over
Python or vice-versa? I am personally comfortable with Python, but I have
noticed that there is a big Ruby following in Code4Lib and similar
communities. Am
Salvete!
More importantly, am I the only one that sees a classic Highlander inspired
Code4Lib T Shirt in this? From the makers of the beating a dead horse graphic
and the OCLC seal of approval... Make it so!
Cheers,
Brooke
IMO, you will be equally productive and connected to the community whether
you use Ruby or Python. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and all that rot.
-Mike
P.S. WHTESPCE
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
Not intending to start a language
Josh,
I think it depends on the project you're looking to get involved with.
Speaking as a rubyist, I'm using it because I'm active in the Hydra community
which uses Ruby on Rails. However, I see a lot of great stuff across the
Python fence and think, hey it'd be cool to learn enough about
Yes, we wouldn't want a flame war, besides, everyone knows that real
programmers use APL.
X ← 3 3⍴÷⍳9 ⋄ Y ← DATA[⍋DATA] ⍝ If you can read this, nice font choices
Really, your message is a grenade. If you want to build a Python community in
the library world, create a compelling project. I
Also, Ruby is just Python with end statements. So if you learn one, you're
mostly learning the other. ;)
-Mike
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
Yes, we wouldn't want a flame war, besides, everyone knows that real
programmers use APL.
X ← 3 3⍴÷⍳9
APL, of course!
On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Python and Ruby (and any other programming languages) are just tools. Some
do some things better than others.
Imagine if the library community had its own programming/scripting language,
at least
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Imagine if the library community had its own programming/scripting language,
at least one that is domain relevant.
What would it look like?
Whatever else it had, it would have to have a sophisticated way to
inspect
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Peter Schlumpf
pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Imagine if the library community had its own programming/scripting language,
at least one that is domain relevant. What would it look like?
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that.
//Ed
Hi,
A programming language for the library community sounds great!
When do we begin?
Thanks,
Cornel Darden Jr.
MSLIS
Librarian
Kennedy-King College
City Colleges of Chicago
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On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ed Summers writes
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that.
It will have to support tippex on screens.
Cheers,
Thomas Krichelhttp://openlib.org/home/krichel
skype:thomaskrichel
On 7/29/2013 1:04 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that. //Ed
Over the code or the manual?
--jimm
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, jimm wetherbee j...@wingate.edu wrote:
On 7/29/2013 1:04 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that. //Ed
Over the code or the manual?
Over the NISO standardization process required to form the exploratory
committee.
-Ross.
I think it mostly comes down to what you're looking for out of the language
choice. Both are great language. I love the explicitness and community
around Python, the meta-programming features of Ruby are a lot of fun as
well.
Both have great communities that support a lot of diversity. I feel
Did someone ask for a Hydra-like thing using Python?
https://github.com/emory-libraries/eulfedora
It's really a pretty cool piece of work, and worth a look, even if you're
absolutely sure RoR (or PHP and Drupal, or Java) is your thing.
--
HARDY POTTINGER pottinge...@umsystem.edu
University of
Josh,
I work exclusively with XSLT but specialize in metadata only no need for
content display choices
maybe a candidate for library programming language...XSLT 2.0 has useful
analyze-string element to cover Roy's point
by the way, Josh, live just down the road in Leeton
regards,
dana
On
One thing to factor in is that if you learn ruby you run the risk of
becoming one of those people who constantly talks,tweets,blogs, posts to
this mailing list about how great ruby is. This can have a very negative
impact on your work productivity.
On Monday, July 29, 2013, Dana Pearson wrote:
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*Code4Lib Midwest 2013
October 13-14
Pappajohn Business Building, University of Iowa
Iowa City, Iowa*
Please join us Sunday, October 13, and Monday, October 14, in Iowa City for
the Code4Lib Midwest 2013 conference! This informal conference will feature
short lightning talks, longer
Hi!
I was just looking at the Code4Libraries site for the regions and saw that
the Northwest link went to an old google group:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/pnwcode4lib
Is there anyone active in coding for libraries in the Northwest in a new
discussion group/conference/etc?
There certainly is.
We held a Code4Lib NW a few years ago in Portland. It was well attended. I
think it would be great we could get better organized about an annual(?)
event.
I've also been batting around the idea of doing a regional LODLAM Summit
event for the West/Northwest. I'm hoping to have
Thanks, this is more along the lines I was looking for.
I started using Python because PHP (my usual web language of choice) has
quite poor libraries for SOAP requests, and Python was easy to use as a
glue script to fill the SOAP holes in my program.
One of the things I wanted to ask that went
Library community programming is heavy on the string processing, right?
So, just use a language that's good for that.
Anyway, once you learn one, it's faster to learn another.
-Wilhelmina Randtke
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.netwrote:
Python and Ruby
I can only answer for the Ruby support, I can't compare Ruby libs to Python
libs on these, but:
MARC: there's Ruby-MARC. I helped write it, so I'm biased.
XML tools: depends on what you need. In general, Ruby doesn't have great
support for sophisticated XML problems. Nokogiri has a great API
s/ruby/any_language/
Why not learn both? As with spoken languages, knowing more than one makes it
easier for you to think at a higher level of abstraction and therefore a better
developer, and, as others have alluded to, will allow you to choose the 'right
tool [framework, library, etc] for
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. And props for RubyMARC!
I have heard lots of good things.
Josh Welker
Information Technology Librarian
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
University of Central Missouri
Warrensburg, MO 64093
JCKL 2260
660.543.8022
-Original Message-
From:
Personally, I prefer Python. If you are wanting to do more information
science-y things, Ruby doesn't have equivalent libraries for things like the
Natural Language Toolkithttp://nltk.org/ or SciPyhttp://www.scipy.org/.
In Ruby's defense, Python doesn't have
I know they are very similar and that I could learn both, and ideally I
would. It's not so much that I am intimidated by learning another language
as it is that I don't want to start a project in Python and then realize
75% through the project that Module X doesn't work with Filetype Y and
that
Hi,
My first email was an attempt at humour. Sorry, I didn't mean to jack your
thread.
Ruby is my language of choice, but I have done some work in Python.
For all the things you listed, there are libraries in both languages that
are probably as good as each other.
Python has lxml, which is as
I don't want to start a project in [Language_A] and then realize
75% through the project that Module X doesn't work with Filetype Y
and that the community no longer exists and that I have to rewrite
the whole thing in [Language_B].
I would just get used to that.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at
Thanks for the insight. If I wanted to do a full scale semantic web
application (nightmare scenario), I'd go Java anyway, not Python. I'm
feeling more inclined to focus on Ruby rather than Python the more I read
here.
Josh Welker
Information Technology Librarian
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
I am thinking after this discussion to start using Ruby instead of Python.
Blacklight looks extremely useful, and Hydra is something I am going to
look more at. Plus, data structures in Python just seem drastically
overcomplicated coming from a C-family background (lists vs tuples vs
dicts, and
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Over the NISO standardization process required to form the exploratory
committee.
Thanks for answering the question better than I could have ever
dreamed of answering it.
//Ed
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
And I hate Python whitespace.
Ah-ha!
A more paranoid pythonista than I might suspect this whole thread was
simply an exercise in Ruby shilling.
--jay
Somebody needs to invent one, throw it out there and see what happens.
-Original Message-
From: Ed Summers e...@pobox.com
Sent: Jul 29, 2013 4:06 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
Ha. Actually I was hoping to feel good about just sticking with Python. But
alas. Now I will get to find out all the annoying things about Ruby instead.
Josh Welker
Information Technology Librarian
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
University of Central Missouri
Warrensburg, MO 64093
JCKL 2260
Muahahahahahahaha!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And you walked right into it! You fools!
-Ross.
On Monday, July 29, 2013, Jay Luker wrote:
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edujavascript:;
wrote:
And I hate Python whitespace.
Ah-ha!
A more paranoid pythonista than I
Both Ruby and Python, have their strengths and weaknesses, and as others
have mentioned, it will come down to need and existing projects you want to
leverage.
We use both Python and Ruby internally.
Know your tools and their strengths and weaknesses.
My personal interested is more and more
And you would think Python developers would know how to...
( •_•)
( •_•)⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
read between the (whitespace) lines?
YEAH
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Muahahahahahahaha!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And
White space is potentially an illusion it isn't necessarilly there,
esp when the whitespace is not a character ...
;)
On 30/07/2013 8:02 AM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu
wrote:
And you would think Python developers would know how to...
( •_•)
( •_•)⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
read
The c4l meetings in Portland all seemed to work pretty well. I'd be happy
to help put another one together.
kyle
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Tom Johnson
johnson.tom+code4...@gmail.com wrote:
There certainly is.
We held a Code4Lib NW a few years ago in Portland. It was well attended.
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