On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote:
Does this answer your question, Ross?
Yes, sort of. My question was not so much if you can resolve handles
via bindings other than HTTP (since that's one of the selling
For example, if you don't want to rely on dx.doi.org as your gateway to the
handle system for doi resolution, it would be quite easy for me to deploy my
own gateway at dx.hellman.net. I might want to do this if a were an
organization paranoid about security and didn't want to disclose to
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote:
Does this answer your question, Ross?
Yes, sort of. My question was not so much if you can resolve handles
via bindings other than HTTP (since that's one of the selling points
of handles) as it was do people actually use
But minting DOIs requires a Registration Agency which as far as I understand
it, requires $1,000 and approval from the International DOI Federation.[1]
Roy
[1] http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/governance.html#7.2.2
On 11/23/09 11/23/09 10:07 AM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote:
For
Hi all, couldn't resist jumping in on this one:
But appears that the handle system is quite a bit more fleshed out than a
simple purl server, it's a distributed protocol-independent network. The
protocol-independent part may or may not be useful, but it certainly seems
like it could be,
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
Well, here's the trick about handles, as I understand it. A handle, for
instance, a DOI, is 10.1074/jbc.M004545200.
Well, actually, it could be:
10.1074/jbc.M004545200
doi:10.1074/jbc.M004545200
The actual handle is 10.1074/jbc.M004545200 . If your software
wants to get a handle to give it to any handle resolver of it's
choice, it's going to have to parse the doi: or info: versions to
get the handle out first. The info version is a URI that has a DOI
handle embedded in it. The doi
Interesting stuff. I never really thought about it before that DOIs
can be served up by the Handle server. E.G.,
http://dx.doi.org/10.1074/jbc.M004545200 =
http://hdl.handle.net/10.1074/jbc.M004545200
But, even more surprising to me was realizing that Handles can be
resolved by the DOI server.
What happens if the main doi resolver goes down? I'd be interested to see
how well a local resolver works when blocked from this upstream server. Are
there any other upstream servers?
Ben
On Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting stuff. I never really thought
What do you mean by a local resolver? If you're talking about a local
handle resolver adhering to the handle spec... well, then it depends on
the handle spec I guess, which I don't know. But since all the handle
documetnation keeps saying like DNS, then I'd imagine it has similar
(or better)
More info here too:
http://www.handle.net/introduction.html
This handle stuff is interesting, but I don't entirely understand it.
I guess if the Global Handle Service really went down, it would be
similar to a root-level DNS server going down -- you'd be in trouble,
somewhat mitigated by
I'm really interested to hear that DOIs are starting to have brand
recognition with (some) users. Thanks! -Jodi
Having incorporated the handle client software into my own stuff rather easily,
I'm pretty sure that's not true.
On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
The caveat being that the initial access point is provided via HTTP.
But then again, so is http://hdl.handle.net/, which, in fact,
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote:
Having incorporated the handle client software into my own stuff rather
easily, I'm pretty sure that's not true.
Fair enough. The technology is binding independent.
So you are using and sharing handles using some protocol
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Jodi Schneider
jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs?
DOIs are just a form of Handle, which is a persistent URL schema. I
don't think I need to explain what PURLs are designed to accomplish.
..
http://www.handle.net/index.html Notice the difference in definition.
Yan
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Han, Yan h...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote:
Currently DOI uses Handle
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The first
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The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs?
Do they have a long-term plan for persistence of their content? Financial
plan
Fascinating. I learned a lot from these discussions. Thank you all so much!
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So I have
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Han, Yan h...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote:
Currently DOI uses Handle (technology) with it social framework (i.e.
administrative body to manage DOI). In technical sense, PURL is not going to
last long.
I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean (re:
Hi All,
I was asked by somebody from a college @ my institution whether they
should go with assigning DOI for their journal articles:
http://llt.msu.edu/
I can see the advantage of this approach and my first thought is more
about whether they have resources in running their purl server, or
So I have no actual experience with this.
But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think
you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care
of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the
place, if you run your own purl
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So I have no actual experience with this.
But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think
you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care
of it. Of course, if your documents are going
Bucknell, Terry wrote:
Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be
obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles that
have DOIs too).
Huh, I didn't know that. I understand the motivation, but investigating
whether every cited
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So I have no actual experience with this.
But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think
you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care
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