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I have followed this thread
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I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
researched many of the issues the group has been hitting on, demonstrating
the popularity of LibGuides
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Does anyone have any suggestions
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I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
researched many of the issues the group has been hitting
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I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
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the popularity of LibGuides in ARL
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Does anyone have any suggestions as to where the library should or should not
compromise when it comes to using an institutional CMS rather than a custom
library
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I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
researched many
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I have followed this thread with great interest
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To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] LibGuides: I don't get it
I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
researched many of the issues the group has been hitting on, demonstrating
the popularity of LibGuides in ARL
: I don't get it
I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and
I
researched many of the issues the group has been hitting on,
demonstrating
the popularity of LibGuides in ARL libraries, the locus of control
outside
of systems' departments, and the state
: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Wilhelmina Randtke
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Avoid Contribute
There's not a lock-in issue with LibGuides, because it's used to host
pathfinders. Those are supposed to be periodically revisited. One of the
big problems is that librarians will start a guide and never finish, or
make one then never maintain it. Periodically deleting everything is a
good
Well, see, there you've said that the technology skills for open source are
all on the install/maintenance side. Duh. Install and maintenance needs
to be done by someone. Writing a check to outsource install and
maintenance is one way to get those skills. Writing a check to Springshare
solves
I'm not sure I understand the more-heat-than-light criticisms of LibGuides.
It perfectly fits the needs of many libraries.
The most valid criticism that has been lodged -- that the CMS is so easy to
use that librarians create content which they then don't maintain -- could
be said of any website
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.comwrote:
There's not a lock-in issue with LibGuides, because it's used to host
pathfinders. Those are supposed to be periodically revisited. One of the
big problems is that librarians will start a guide and never finish,
I have followed this thread with great interest. In 2011 Erin White and I
researched many of the issues the group has been hitting on, demonstrating
the popularity of LibGuides in ARL libraries, the locus of control outside
of systems' departments, and the state of content policies.[1]
Our most
Galen Charlton writes
Lock-in doesn't have to be absolute to be effective, it just has to has
raise the bar sufficiently high to make users think twice about migrating
away.
I fully agree with this.
In general, lock-in is pervasive in the use of any information product.
It even
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Ross Singer
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I don't think the remedy to a lack of technology skills is to make
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Heather Rayl 23e...@gmail.com
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I just have to say I have been thinking the exact same thing about LibGuides
for the two years
again.
Trey
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You guys are awesome, this is great stuff, really
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Terrell, Trey
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Regarding Library a La Carte, active development has been taken over by
the folks
it.
Michael Schofield
// www.ns4lib.com
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I just have to say I
for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Julia
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Hi Dave,
There's a list of libraries using SubjectsPlus here:
http://subjectsplus.com/wiki/index.php?title
of Sullivan, Mark
V [mars...@uflib.ufl.edu]
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First, SpringShare has great marketing.
Secondly, it is a very simple CMS that was offered at a time that many
libraries were not getting
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First, SpringShare has great marketing.
Secondly, it is a very simple CMS that was offered at a time that many
libraries were not getting good web support
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First, SpringShare has great marketing.
Secondly, it is a very simple CMS that was offered at a time that many
libraries were not getting good web
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For Wordpress versus LibGuides, both are kind of miserable and unsatisfying
unless you are with a large library with in-house systems staff.
LibGuides was clunky and extremely limited when I used it a few years ago.
I also found Springshare tech support was not at all responsive to
questions or
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Heather Rayl 23e...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to say that I loathe LibGuides. My library makes extensive use of
them, too. Need a web solution? The first thing out of someone's mouth is
Let's put it in a LibGuide!
Shudder
This fall, I'll be moving our main
I've found that librarians gravitate towards tools like LibGuides and
WordPress because they want to use what they've seen other libraries using,
putting me in a strange position when try to explain that we (with more
tech resources) can actually do better.
Several times I've had the experience
Hello?
Soringshre's link-rot tool has gotten much better. Even at alerting admins
about broken links. I think $999 a year for the basic package is worth it since
most librarians aren't coders like we 'ALL' should be! Maybe an open source
solution created by librarians is needed. However
There are open source solutions created by librarians: SubjectsPlus and
Library a la Carte.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello?
Soringshre's link-rot tool has gotten much better. Even at alerting admins
about broken links. I think $999
Technology tools are a non issue here. Straightforward documented open
source technology is readily available. What is missing is technology
skills. Someone can't buy those if they don't already have technology
skills, or else they are a sitting duck for scammers.
With a basic pricing of about
I don't get this argument at all. Why is it counter productive to try to
look at open source alternatives if the vendor's option is relatively
cheap? Why wouldn't you investigate all options? Maybe the vendor option
makes sense, maybe the open source option does.
The technology skills for open
On 12/08/13 12:20, Andrew Darby wrote:
I don't get this argument at all. Why is it counter productive to try to
look at open source alternatives if the vendor's option is relatively
cheap? Why wouldn't you investigate all options?
If you have no in-house technical capability, the cost of
Andrew Darby writes
I don't get this argument at all.
I breathe a sigh of relief. I didn't understand it either, but
I blamed my brain fog.
Maybe the vendor option makes sense, maybe the open source option
does.
The vendor option may be based on it just hosting the open source
stuart yeates writes
If you have no in-house technical capability, the cost of looking at
an open source alternative can easily outweigh the multi-year
licensing fee.
Yeah, but if you don't have an in-house technical capability you
condemn yourself to history. I bet that in the middle
I've worked at a small, under-resourced institution that had LibGuides,
despite the fact that as a staff member I did have the technical know-how
to install and maintain an open-source solution. So why didn't we? My
existing job duties without an open-source guide project already demanded
120%
I don't think the remedy to a lack of technology skills is to make
librarians into shade tree sysadmins.
*That's* the expense that gets swept under the rug in the open source
argument. Most advocates have systems administrators and infrastructure to
support implementing things themselves and
no one has mention the integration of LibGuides into other packages. Anyone
here involved with Summon 2.0? it is integrating libguides... but we are not a
libguide site. curious if others would put that into the consideration bucket.
Sent from New Gadget
On Aug 11, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Lauren
I've not had an opportunity to use LibGuides, but I've seen a few and read
the features list on the SpringShare. All I see is a less flexible
WordPress at a higher price point. What advantages am I not seeing? If
there aren't any, is it the case that once signed up, migration to an open
source
[davesgonech...@gmail.com]
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I've not had an opportunity to use LibGuides, but I've seen a few and read
the features list on the SpringShare. All I see is a less flexible
WordPress at a higher
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