Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-13 Thread Alexander Johannesen
One question we haven't asked is if we really need a MIME type for MARCXML. :) On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 23:28, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: PPS: Yes, it has been asked, and it's pretty obvious to me that we do. I wasn't asking for technical reasons; I was more having a stab at how

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-13 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Alexander Johannesen alexander.johanne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't asking for technical reasons; I was more having a stab at how many people use and need MARCXML specifically as compared to a number of other more used formats. I mean, seriously, you can use

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-13 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:48 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? A few points: 1. x- is commonly used in cases when

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-13 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? Thanks Ray. marcxml+xml makes sense to me, the name is really arbitrary, so long as we have _something_ that represents MARC-XML. Glad you are working on this. I'm

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Rebecca S Guenther
MARC was registered a long time ago. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2220.html Some of the text is a bit dated and could stand some updating. Patrick is right that an XML schema such as MODS or MARCXML would be text/xml. Rebecca Rebecca S. Guenther

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 21:43, Rebecca S Guenther r...@loc.gov wrote: Patrick is right that an XML schema such as MODS or MARCXML would be text/xml. I would strongly advise against text/xml, as it is an oxymoron (text is not XML XML is not text even if it is delivered through a text protocol),

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Alexander Johannesen Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 21:43, Rebecca S Guenther r...@loc.gov wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
. Jonathan Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Alexander Johannesen Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 21:43, Rebecca S

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 22:32, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Didn't we finish having this conversation last week? We talked about all this stuff being brought up now last week. We did indeed, and your summary is better than what my retort could have been; spot on. I guess it's hard

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Actually, re-reading some of the RFCs, I would clarify one thing. It seems like using unregistered x- MIME type is discouraged, and instead you are encouraged to use what is (claimed to be) a very quick and easy and painless process of registering vnd. types. So I'd encourage LC to

Re: [CODE4LIB] [MODS-EC] FW: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
] FW: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? Cool! Can you post a response to CODE4LIB? Thanks, Jenn -Original Message- From: MODS Editorial Committee Forum [mailto:mods...@loc.gov] On Behalf Of Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:56 PM To: mods

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: One question we haven't asked is if we really need a MIME type for MARCXML. :) PPS: Yes, it has been asked, and it's pretty obvious to me that we do. Because I write lots of software that will be fetching MARCXML from the web, and needs to know what it's got.

[CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I am actually rather shocked that it seems that MARC-XML, MODS, MARC21-binary, do not have registered Internet Content Types (aka MIME types). Am I missing something, or is this really so? Anyone know what the process is for registering such? Anyone want to help try to do that? I guess we'd

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Ethan Gruber
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the mime type for MARC-XML and MODS be application/xml, like every other xml file? As for MARC-binary, I can't say. I don't have any of those files handy. Ethan On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I am actually

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
MARC21 binary has a content-type of application/marc - see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2220.html. -- Mark A. Matienzo Applications Developer, Digital Experience Group The New York Public Library On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I am actually rather

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Patrick Yott
Not sure about the binary MARC, but all flavors of xml should be typed to either text/xml or application/xml, yes? patrick On 2/4/09 10:47 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I am actually rather shocked that it seems that MARC-XML, MODS, MARC21-binary, do not have registered

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Ross Singer
His point, though, is that you can't tell the format being used until you open the document and try to negotiate it that way. So if you think in terms of content-negotiation and a particular resource is available in EAD, MARC XML and Dubin Core, you have no way of expressing that. Jonathan, this

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
You CAN use application/xml for any XML, but it's often useful to have a specific type for your specific content, so the user-agent can know what to do with it. The convention is to include +xml on the end, so if the user agent doens't know your specific format, it can fall back to treating

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If anyone does want to work on it, I'd be happy to help. Maybe I'll contact clay. The most immediate and clear need I see is for application/marc+xml and application/mods. MADS could be useful, I dunno. Not sure if a seperate one would be needed for MFHD? With all the effort on making

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Smith,Devon
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 11:01 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? If anyone does want to work on it, I'd be happy to help. Maybe I'll contact clay. The most immediate and clear

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Ross Singer
Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 11:01 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? If anyone does want to work on it, I'd be happy to help. Maybe I'll contact clay. The most immediate and clear

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 11:01 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? If anyone does want to work on it, I'd be happy to help. Maybe I'll contact clay. The most immediate and clear need I see is for application/marc+xml and application/mods

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Karen Coyle
I thought that a type had been defined - thanks, Mark. Looking at it, it's from 1997 and represents the LC MARC standard at that time (it says: harmonized USMARC/CANMARC specification, whatever that is.) This brings up the usual question of what we mean by MARC -- the structure or the

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Smith,Devon
value. But whatever. /dev -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ross Singer Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 12:10 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? Well, except this isn't legal. Parameters are defined by the RFC, so you can't