Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-27 Thread Simon Spero
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, William C Kurt wk...@unr.edu wrote: Lisp and Gaffer's tape are superior to all: elegant, clean, powerful, and in practice used by very few The crew of Apollo 13 were saved using duct tape; the Deep Space 1 probe was driven by lisp. Inanimate Carbon Rods for

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Simon Spero
There is a best language, and you shall know it by its parentheses. However, since you probably aren't going to be able to use it because your co-workers aren't up to it, you have to pick a second best. I would strongly recommend learning a strongly typed language for one's first programming

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Mike Taylor
I was going to start this post with I couldn't disagree more, but on sober reflection I am going to go with the more conciliatory Let me offer an alternative perspective. For someone who is just starting out in programming, I think the very last thing you want is a verbose language that makes you

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com wrote: For someone who is just starting out in programming, I think the very last thing you want is a verbose language that makes you spend half your time talking about types that you don't really care about.  I'm not saying

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Doran, Michael D
[mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:23 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie) I was going to start this post with I couldn't disagree more, but on sober reflection I am going to go with the more

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Cary Gordon
APL is red hot. Your language ain't doodly squat. Tape that to your duck! -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Doran, Michael D wrote: As a first language, you want something that let's you Get Stuff Done with a minimum of fuss... If you are getting started and if you are not planning on being a full-time programmer, then you want to be looking at the high-level languages as

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Jason Stirnaman
Those things cost a (relative) fortune. You can find cheaper versions at Amazon. Oh, and please never use duck tape for stage applications like taping extension cords and mic cables to the floor. Gaff tape is tougher and leaves no sticky residue. Jason Jason Stirnaman Biomedical Librarian,

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread Keith Jenkins
Who is presenting at the ducttape4lib conference this year? Keith On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Jason Stirnaman jstirna...@kumc.edu wrote: Oh, and please never use duck tape for stage applications like taping extension cords and mic cables to the floor. Gaff tape is tougher and leaves no

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-26 Thread William C Kurt
: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie) There is a best language, and you shall know it by its parentheses. However, since you probably aren't going to be able to use it because your co-workers aren't up to it, you have to pick a second best.

[CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Brian Stamper wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu wrote: I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your disposal. PHP is a fine language for

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread MJ Suhonos
Contemporary library web development: a Series of Hoses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes MJ On 2010-03-25, at 11:00 AM, Joe Hourcle wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Brian Stamper wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu wrote: I wouldn't

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Nate Vack
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: You say that as if duct tape is a bad thing for auto repairs.  Not all duct tape repairs are candidates for There, I fixed it![1].  It works just fine for the occassional hose repair. At the risk of taking an

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Bill Dueber
Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: You say that as if duct tape is a bad thing for auto repairs. Not all duct tape

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Sean Moore
I remember watching a show once where they tested various tapes for suitability of duct patching. Duct tape actually came in quite low on the list. To provide lab data about which sealants and tapes last, and which are likely to fail, research was conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
Quack. -Mike P.S. Oh, duct. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:55, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hourcle

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread MJ Suhonos
Also...it's pretty good for plugging leaks in ducts. Actually, true story: I was in the hardware store, poking around the tape section, with a roll of your typical silver duct tape in my hand, obviously browsing. An employee came up to me asking what I was looking for, and for what purpose.

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Thomas Bennett
What is normally labeled duct tape is usually a single layer of cheese cloth with some type of vinyl or plastic on one side and adhesive on the other basically. Duct tape that will pass state inspection, at least where I live, is normally sold as a thin piece of aluminum with adhesive and a

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Simon Spero
The proper name is actually Duck Tapehttp://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/02/magazine/the-way-we-live-now-3-02-03-on-language-why-a-duck.html?sec=spon=pagewanted=all, yet unlike Duck Typing, it makes everything it touches more reliable. Discuss. However, C4L10 exposed a major gap in my meeting-tech

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Rosalyn Metz
Simon you can purchase the dongles at the Mac store (did it for another conference the week after code4lib). Also thank you all for the duck tape info. This explains why the duck tape i used to attach the dryer vent ducts didn't work. i shall now go by the proper tape. and now this

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Ethan Gruber
I thought Duck Tape was a brand of duct tape? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Simon you can purchase the dongles at the Mac store (did it for another conference the week after code4lib). Also thank you all for the duck tape info. This explains why

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Schlumpf
never quite get itself out of. Peter Schlumpf www.avantilibrarysystems.com -Original Message- From: Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov Sent: Mar 25, 2010 11:00 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie) On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Brian Stamper wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP bashing (was: newbie)

2010-03-25 Thread Genny Engel
I think it's perfectly sensible to declare that there is one best language. Here is the current spec for it: http://lolcode.com/specs/1.2 The only place where I seriously take issue with this language is in their misspelling of kthxbai, but perhaps that is an internal joke sort of like