Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-29 Thread Peter Noerr
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 08:43 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 It can be a chicken-egg thing too. Maybe more users

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Bill Dueber writes: What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches with z39.50? I'm looping through a list of MARC records trying to determine whether or not we own multiple copies of an item. After reading MARC field 245, subfield a I am creating the following z39.50

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 [resolved]

2009-04-28 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Apr 27, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches with z39.50? Thank you for all the prompt and helpful replies. The most precise and complete magic incantation came from Larry Dixon of the Library of Congress: Exact match in

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com The irony is that Z39.50 actually make _much_ more effort to specify semantics than most other standards -- and yet still finds itself in the situation where many implementations do not respond correctly to the BIB-1 attribute 6=3 (completeness=complete

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 [resolved]

2009-04-28 Thread David Fiander
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote: Wow, isn't the Internet cool, and /me wonders, Did the Bath Profile come from... Bath? [2] Yes. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/bath/tp-bath2.1-e.htm#c

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress writes: The irony is that Z39.50 actually make _much_ more effort to specify semantics than most other standards -- and yet still finds itself in the situation where many implementations do not respond correctly to the BIB-1 attribute 6=3

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
10:43 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress writes: The irony is that Z39.50 actually make _much_ more effort to specify semantics than most other standards -- and yet still finds itself in the situation where many implementations do

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Walker, David
Of Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress [r...@loc.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:32 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 Right, Mike. There is a long and rich history of the debate between loose and strict interpretation, in the world at large

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking specifically about metasearch, but rather, bad decisions getting replicated and you end up with an installed base of bad implementations. The best illustration

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Mike Taylor
Jonathan Rochkind writes: I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking specifically about metasearch, but rather, bad decisions getting replicated and you end up with an installed base of bad implementations. The best illustration would be

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. HTML is a wonderful standard. And I don't mean to take the discussion off-course. My point was simply that because early browsers did not

[CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-27 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches with z39.50? I'm looping through a list of MARC records trying to determine whether or not we own multiple copies of an item. After reading MARC field 245, subfield a I am creating the following z39.50 query: @attr 1=4 foo bar

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-27 Thread Binkley, Peter
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Lease Morgan Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:14 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50 What are the ways to accomplish exact title searches

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-27 Thread Bill Dueber
Like so many library standards, z30.50 is a syntax and a set of rough guidelines. You have no idea what's actually happening on the other end, because it's not specified, and you just have to either find someone you can ask at the target machine or reverse engineer it. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-27 Thread Ross Singer
I think in order to accomplish this you'd have to send a completeness or truncation attribute: @attr 1=4 6=3 foo bar # search for 'foo bar' as the complete field @attr 1=4 6=2 foo bar # search for 'foo bar' as the complete subfield @attr 1=4 5=100 foo bar # do not truncate - although this is