Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Peter Murray
While we're on this topic, can I also ask if it is the intention of someone to log and publicly post the channel logs? That will also tend to tamp down the more outlandish behavior. Peter -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Karen Coyle
Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going to know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who therefore know about Zoia) should opt-in. Another option is a separate

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
Karen, I don't think there's any way we could do that. zoia is just another participant in the channel, just like you or I would be, so it's exactly like interacting with another person. And one thing that I think is *somewhat* important to note before we give zoia the bum's rush or something

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread William Denton
On 18 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote: Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going to know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who therefore know about Zoia) should

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Devon
Just because zoia has always been there (or panizzi) doesn't mean zoia ought to be there going forward. Karen's point I think deserves consideration. If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can just remove the offending plugins. +1

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: Just because zoia has always been there (or panizzi) doesn't mean zoia ought to be there going forward. Karen's point I think deserves consideration. If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: The offensive and/or annoying plugins don't serve any real purpose besides entertainment value. I would much rather cut them away (we've done it plenty of times in the past: jive, markov, etc.) then ditch the bot

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can just

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
+1. For what it's worth, Jon Gorman was working on a version of `@herald` that provided introductory information to those new to the IRC channel. (I'm hoping he can speak to details.) Mark On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: I'd like to propose that zoia (the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Adam Wead
At the risk of opening a can 'o worms, there are others that utilize the invective: @habla @ana @ana can sometimes return offensive phrases. Sadly, it's one of the channel's favorites, so I'm reluctant to put it on the (temporary) chopping block. …adam On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Bill

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Ross Singer
I'd be loathe to gag @tdih, because it's educational and only gets called once or twice a day, but that's me. @blockparty is pretty spammy, as is @alpha Also @urbandict is probably the most offensive command. -Ross. On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Adam Wead aw...@rockhall.org wrote: At the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
At the risk of getting shouted down in public (wouldn't be the first time!), let me just put this out there: perhaps instead of, like, whipping up a Doodle poll for us all to vote on which plugins get temporarily disabled and which ones don't, how about we have a few folks volunteer to gently ask

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Michael B. Klein
I agree with the esteemed neckbeard from Pennsylvania. But I would also be in favor of muting the snarfer-class plugins, especially @dunno. I've been thinking for a while that it might be time to change zoia's alert character from @ to something that's not (now) universally recognized as a

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Devon
Zoia can also be completely muted per user. Could a pointer to '/ignore' docs be included in the new herald? /dev On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the esteemed neckbeard from Pennsylvania. But I would also be in favor of muting the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Fleming, Declan
+100 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference I'd like to propose that

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Jon Gorman
I like the ideas of disabling some of the @zoia bot plugins for the conference at least. For what it's worth, Jon Gorman was working on a version of `@herald` that provided introductory information to those new to the IRC channel. (I'm hoping he can speak to details.) Details of Greeter (the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Karen Coyle
Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out? kc On 1/17/13 12:57 PM, Devon wrote: Zoia can also be completely muted per user. Could a pointer to '/ignore' docs be included in the new herald? /dev On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread William Denton
On 17 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote: Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out? If you say /ignore zoia all your IRC client will ignore everything she says. You still see what other people say to her, which is a bit odd, but it really makes the channel