On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:
The language you choose is somewhat dependent on the data you're working
with. I don't find that Ruby or PHP are particularly good at dealing with
XML. They're passable for data manipulation and migration, but I wouldn't
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote:
I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first
encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it.
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I have been writing software
, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM
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I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and
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I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first
encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it.
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote:
I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and
first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always*
disliked
it. Last year I had to work
On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:17 AM, John Fereira wrote:
I suggested PHP primarily because I find it easy to read and understand and
that's it's very commonly used. Both Drupal and Wordpress are written in PHP
and if we're talking about building web pages there are a lot of sites that
use one of
There is *no* ideal first language. PHP is fine. Perl is fine. All of them are
terrible in their own ways. ;-) Any of them will give you an idea of how
programming logic works, if you want to stop there. If you don't, you mustn't
stick with just one language. They all have their problems, and
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On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:17 AM, John Fereira wrote:
I
the pulpit of OOP though.
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Getting back to the original point so noting some nice starting tools, I
find http://www.codecademy.com to be a decent starting spot
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My recommendation to those interested in coding, either professionally or as a
hobby, is to find
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I'll put a rec out for CodeSchool. They started mostly with ruby
On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but
some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically
or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it.
Do you have an opinion of the google 'computational
On 2/18/13 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but
some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically
or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it.
Do you
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On 2/18/13 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but
some of our cataloging/technical staff
As far as python goes, this has a quick sense of pacing, and has a lot of
interactive exercises, while building something pretty useful in the end.
https://www.udacity.com/ (CS101)
It goes into a little bit more theory then I think is useful for some
folks, but it's still a great resource.
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BTW, I think perl gets the short shrift as a utility language. People
hate it because it's ugly, but for data manipulation and analysis, it's
very practical.
On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote:
I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first
encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it.
Last year I had to work on a project that was mostly developed in perl and it
reminded me how
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote:
The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no clue how
code translates into instructions for the magic glowing screen they look at
all day. Even a tiny bit of empowerment in that arena can make huge
On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote:
The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no clue how
code translates into instructions for the magic glowing screen they look at
all day. Even a
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Joe Hourcle
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Last year, we targeted the beginner's track as a sort of 'Perl
as a second language', assuming that you already knew the basic
concepts of programming (what's a variable, an array, a function,
etc.)
Would it be
I would suggest any attempt to teach people to code should begin with
Software Carpentry http://www.software-carpentry.org/about/90seconds.html.
An important point here is that there are many misconceptions about
programing and teaching that won't stand up to empirical investigation.
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Lin, Kun wrote:
Wow, Interesting. But I am not fun of Perl. Is there other workshop?
I don't know of any full workshops in the area, but there are plenty
of monthly or semi-monthly meetings of different groups:
Python: http://dcpython.org/
R :
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
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I would suggest any attempt to teach people to code should begin with Software
Carpentry http://www.software-carpentry.org/about/90seconds.html.
An important point here is that there are many misconceptions about programing
and teaching
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Lin, Kun wrote:
Wow, Interesting. But I am not fun of Perl. Is there other workshop?
I don't know of any full workshops in the area
Folks:
This 'everybody-should-learn-to-code' theme has gone around the block so
many times it's amazing that it still has legs. And I still don't buy it
(this was part of my keynote at C4L two years ago). I'm all for people
learning to code if they want to and think it will help them. But it
Kyle,
Along those lines, I'd say the first place I started learning to be a coder
was writing Excel functions. It was where I learned, in a very basic way,
the ideas of looping through a set, defining and using variables and
constants, etc. The first time I successfully completed an hours worth
Yes. Exactly. It's like saying you can't go to the doctor or hire a
lawyer without a bit of medical or law school. Doctors and lawyers need
to be able to explain what they're doing.
Another skill that would be useful is understanding databases, by which
I do not mean learning SQL. Too
Adding to what Chad says, most folks I know who work in offices that
have some of their functions in a computing environment (and that
includes libraries) get their first taste of programming by learning how
to use the macro language for whatever software supports their job.
Building on that
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov
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Last year, we targeted the beginner's track as a sort of 'Perl
as a second language', assuming that you already knew the basic
concepts of programming (what's a variable, an array, a function,
etc.)
Would it
Hi all
To follow-up on some of the threads about what to learn and where and when...
As a non-coder cataloguer I've found it useful to take advantage of our
Lynda.com accounts here and take a few courses to fill out my understanding of
what coders are doing and also to understand some concepts
I'm so glad to be seeing this conversation happening. As we're
considering what things need to be taught and where and by whom, I hope
LITA can be a part of this as well.
I'm currently a member of the LITA Education Committee and Cody Hanson
is our LITA Board liaison. We're very interested
On Feb 15, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Diane Hillmann
metadata.ma...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm all for people learning to code if they want to and think it will help
them. But it isn't
the only thing library people need to know, and in fact, the other
Nice start on a list. I added the directory links to the wiki page for new
coders. I bet there are more that could be added.
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/One_recommended_tool/resource_for_n00bs#Meetups_and_User_Groups
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Joe Hourcle
If you want to call yourself a librarian, just do it. There's no pope of
librarianship to tell you otherwise.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Maccabee Levine levi...@uwosh.edu wrote:
Andromeda's talk this afternoon really struck a chord, as I shared with her
afterwards, because I have the
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If you want to call yourself a librarian, just do it. There's no pope of
librarianship to tell you otherwise.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Maccabee Levine levi...@uwosh.edu wrote:
Andromeda's talk
On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
EVERYONE should know some code. see:
http://laboratorium.net/archive/2013/01/16/my_career_as_a_bulk_downloader
But it's hard to find the classes that teach coding for everyone. This
would be a good thing for c4l'ers to do in their
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov
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Two, 'coding' is a relatively minor skill. It's like putting 'typist' as
a job title, because you use your keyboard a lot at work. Figuring out
what needs to be written/typed/coded is more important than the
Good points.
One could make the argument that reductive logic is a core skill for
both coders and librarians.
Thanks,
Cary
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov
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Two,
I usually say I am a technologist.
Even though I used to be a software engineer (in industry, where it
occasionally resembled engineering, for better and worse), as a manager I
don't look at or write much code any more, but I am still a technologist.
And in some contexts I claim to be a user
Or systems thinking - I'm a coder and one of my primary mentors was a
librarian. We share more passions than differences - about information,
structure, pattern, detail - and about making libraries better for everyone.
- Mark
Mark Bussey
Data Curation Experts
m...@curationexperts.com
Hello,
It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of Librarianship
Thanks,
Cornel Darden Jr.
MSLIS
Librarian
Kennedy-King College
City Colleges of Chicago
Work 773-602-5449
Cell 708-705-2945
On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to call yourself
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Cornel Darden Jr.
corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of Librarianship
methinks not as the Bodleian predates the LoC by a small amount :)
http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/about/history
Dave
Even though I did not attend the conference, I have had this same conversation
many times with people trying to describe what I do.Systems Specialist (my
actual job title) I also think is appropriate for the job many of us do, but is
highly confusing (even to some of the staff I work with).
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Even though I did not attend the conference, I have had this same conversation
many times with people trying to describe what I do.Systems Specialist (my
actual job
Nuh-uh, remember that whole Reformation thing?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Cornel Darden Jr.
corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Jason Griffey wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov
wrote:
Two, 'coding' is a relatively minor skill. It's like putting 'typist' as
a job title, because you use your keyboard a lot at work. Figuring out
what needs to be
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Andreas Orphanides akorp...@ncsu.eduwrote:
Nuh-uh, remember that whole Reformation thing?
You nailed *what* to the door?
I just say I work in libraries -- that describes anyone with or without the
degree. It's not as concise, but it conveys the right idea.
I see no reason to preface anything you say with what you don't have. If
people require your resume to decide if your ideas are any good, it's just
not a good
I'm not in Chicago, and I didn't see this talk, so maybe I'm way off base,
but isn't a coder a programmer, or even a software engineer? Last time I
checked, programmer/software engineer is a clear, well-established and
well-respected occupation (and generally far better paid than most
Librarians,
Hello,
I think all Librarians should know some code. What ever happened to the
polymath distinction that came along with the territory, for librarians. And
now that information science has been included, along with an information
environment that will be dominated by everything digital; how
Shirley,
I would hesitantly call myself a coder. I would _never_ call myself a
software engineer. I am also a librarian. I think what Andromeda was
probably arguing (not that I would deign to put words in her mouth) was
that we should get over our imposter syndrome and stand up for our skills.
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Shirley,
I would hesitantly call myself a coder. I would _never_ call myself a
software engineer. I am also a librarian. I
Shambrarian: Someone who knows enough truth about how libraries really work,
but not enough to go insane or be qualified as a real librarian. (See more at
http://m.urbandictionary.com/#define?term=Shambrarian)
More information available at http://shambrarian.org/
And Dave Pattern has published
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