Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Marks steve.ma...@utoronto.ca This false equivalency gets bandied around quite a lot in academic circles (maybe elsewhere, but I lead a sheltered life). Let me assure you that there is a significant difference between what goes on in a standard pat leave and what goes on in a standard

Re: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production

2012-12-18 Thread Kari R Smith
I also recommend the work done in the UK by Simon Tanner on measuring the impact of digitization projects and programs. There are two publications, one very recent and information about them can be gotten to from Simon's blog:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production

2012-12-18 Thread Kari R Smith
Follow-up ... direct link to the JISC funded research project and report are at: http://www.kdcs.kcl.ac.uk/innovation/inspiring.html Two items to take a look at a. Inspiring Research, Inspiring Scholarship b. Balanced Value Impact Model Kari -Original Message- From: Code for

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Tim Donohue
Hi MJ All, On 12/18/2012 4:42 AM, MJ Ray wrote: I sort of both do and don't. I do appreciate that people are making the effort, but I do worry that other minorities are collatoral damage of some vociferous support for this larger-minority single-issue group, that few seem to be supporting a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Tim Donohue tdono...@duraspace.org However, I think some/many are taking offense to the implication that 'libtechwomen' is discriminatory or prejudice against men or minority groups just because its name includes women. [...] To call a group discriminatory just because they initially planned

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/18/2012 12:27 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Is there clarity that deliberately-discriminatory groups should have no platform in code4lib? If what you mean is if everyone agrees with you that a group created for women in tech is bad, then, no, pretty much nobody else here agrees with you. I am

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Karen Coyle
On 12/18/12 7:51 AM, Tim Donohue wrote: It's not trying to block other minority issues from being discussed, or turn away other minority groups or even majority groups (men). I want to thank everyone for being so thoughtful in this discussion. I do, however, want to make one factual point:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread McDonald, Stephen
I believe the problem is that you somehow read that initial post proposing the IRC group as saying it would be exclusively for women. As far as I can tell, no one else read it that way. If that is your only concern, I believe you can be reassured.

[CODE4LIB] Job: Developer at Royal Danish Library

2012-12-18 Thread jobs
The Royal Library, Copenhagen, is looking for an employee to join our development team of 8 developers. The Royal Library doubles as the National Library of Denmark and as Copenhagen University Library, serving simultaneously as a major cultural institution, public research library and library

[CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Ed Summers
HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
+1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Nick Ruest
+1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Edward M. Corrado
++ On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote: +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Peter Murray
+1 for the plan edsu++ for domain stewardship. Peter On Dec 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Reese, Terry
Wilhelmina, To answer your two questions. 1) yes, during the 30 day expiration period when registration lapses your site will typically become unavailable 2) this isn't just about one person at OSU. Ryan Ordway is our sys admin, but c4l is supported by a number of folks at the institution in

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Ed Summers
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.com wrote: Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. Yes, it's not so much a matter of money as it is

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain

2012-12-18 Thread Fleming, Declan
+1 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Ruest Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread BWS Johnson
Salvete! because they can't find an SO are outliers. C4l is a tech event. Do women really get treated that shabbily there?     I'm guessing this is a yes, since several brave folks have indicated it. It doesn't mean that *you* are an offender, but it's clearly happening, or at least known

[CODE4LIB] Chrome browser preserves wrong text box on back button

2012-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, this problem is hard to explain. Let's say I have a search box, with results under it. I enter Monkey in the search box, I hit search, I get a new page with results for Monkey, and the word Monkey pre-filled in the search box (using input value=Monkey) in the HTML. I decide I'm not

Re: [CODE4LIB] Chrome browser preserves wrong text box on back button

2012-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
You know how you figure out the answer right after you write out the question? autocomplete=false didn't work, because that's not the proper value. autocomplete=off does work. While also of course disabling actual auto-complete, which may or may not be helpful, but at least it keeps Chrome

Re: [CODE4LIB] Thoughts on Digital Library Trends

2012-12-18 Thread Matthew Sherman
Thanks everyone, this helps. I will certainly take more input anyone else has for the next few weeks if anyone else has thoughts add, problems they see one the horizon. I know I am curious how we in the digital library corner can deal with mobile devices but I have not seen much talking about

[CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices

2012-12-18 Thread Walter Lewis
I know this is more of a hardware question than a code question but I suspect that a few of the folks that have other systems roles might be able to steer me in the right direction. We're looking to replace the public wifi in the library, by itself nothing remarkable. The key requirement

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So far some brave folks have indeed indicated that, but without specifying any particular incidents. It seems to me it might be helpful if the actual incidents were related in some anonymous way (perhaps anonymous both to reporter and to 'offenders' involved)... because if the rest of us knew

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Michele R Combs
Much better to do it that way than on the list, IMHO. Then the list can get back to code :) It's possible that the ratio of idiots at a code4lib function is comparable to the ratio of idiots anywhere else (e.g., an ALA conference or SAA function or, heck, your basic office party). In that

Re: [CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices

2012-12-18 Thread Genny Engel
We use a captive portal (FirstSearch by Patronsoft: http://patronsoft.com/firstspot/) but we don't require a login. We do require clicking an Agree button on our terms of use. Genny Engel Sonoma County Library gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us 707 545-0831 x1581 www.sonomalibrary.org -Original

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Bess Sadler
I am not aware of any recent egregious issues and I don't think code4lib is a hotbed of misogynist behavior, certainly not compared to more mainstream tech conferences or something notorious like DefCon. Having a policy in place (which was my only request in that original email, and which we

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-18 Thread Rosalyn Metz
+1 #everything that bess said On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not aware of any recent egregious issues and I don't think code4lib is a hotbed of misogynist behavior, certainly not compared to more mainstream tech conferences or something

Re: [CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices

2012-12-18 Thread Matt Amory
Folks in my network have used BlueSocket, but we don't keep stats. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Walter Lewis wltrle...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is more of a hardware question than a code question but I suspect that a few of the folks that have other systems roles might be able to