Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-10 Thread Ross Singer
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: This is hard stuff. But it's worth doing right. +1 The issue here isn't about serializations or transmission formats. It's about data modeling. Our current bibliographic data model is horribly inefficient, with antiquated

[CODE4LIB] CFP: JCDL 09 Workshop On Integrating Digital Library Content, with Computational Tools and Services

2009-04-10 Thread Jodi Schneider
JCDL Workshop of possible interest: Integrating Digital Library Content with Computational Tools and Services ( 6/19 in Austin). Pardon the forward! -Jodi Begin forwarded message: From: J. Stephen Downie jdow...@uiuc.edu Date: April 9, 2009 10:35:15 AM EDT To: undisclosed-recipients: ;

Re: [CODE4LIB] You got it!!!!! Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-10 Thread Han, Yan
Bill and Peter, Very nice posts. XML, RDF, MARC and DC are all different ways to present information in a way (of course, XML, RDF, and DC are easier to read/processed by machine). However, down the fundamentals, I think that it can go deeper, basically data structure and algorithms making

Re: [CODE4LIB] You got it!!!!! Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-10 Thread Casey A Mullin
(Attention: lurker emerging) To me what it comes down to is neither simplicity nor complexity, but extensibility. In a perfect world, our data models should be capable of representing very sophisticated and robust relationships at a high level of granularity, while still accommodating ease of

Re: [CODE4LIB] You got it!!!!! Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-10 Thread Karen Coyle
Extensibility as absolutely key. I know that some people consider XML to be inherently extensible, but I'm concerned that the conceptual model presented by FRBR doesn't support extensibility. For example, the FRBR entity Place represents only the place as a subject. If you want to represent

Re: [CODE4LIB] You got it!!!!! Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-10 Thread Casey A Mullin
I completely agree with Karen regarding how FRBR falls short in not allowing for more relationships between Group 1-2 and Group 3 entities. FRBRoo fleshes out some of these things, but in a woefully unweildy way, IMO. Conversely, FRBR in RDF (at http://vocab.org/frbr) consolidates some classes

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Well, the thing is, those sem web folks LIKE what has resulted. They think it's _good_ that http:// can be resolved with a certain protocol in some cases, but can be an arbitrary identifier untied to protocol in others. It definitely is convenient in some cases. I have mixed feelings, I