Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-25 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 7/24/06, Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When there are 4 commons lists, how are people going to manage this? Leave it to those, which are silly enough to use an autoreply for mailing lists? After all, a little bit of education cannot hurt. Jochen -- Whenever you find yourself on

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-24 Thread Simon Kitching
On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: I had a thought just now on the multiple list concept - and a positive reason for splitting the lists in general. By having lists for commits, jira, wiki, ci etc filters become a lot, lot easier. Much easier for someone to come up with a

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-24 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/24/06, Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: I had a thought just now on the multiple list concept - and a positive reason for splitting the lists in general. By having lists for commits, jira, wiki, ci etc filters become a lot,

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-24 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Simon Kitching wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: I had a thought just now on the multiple list concept - and a positive reason for splitting the lists in general. By having lists for commits, jira, wiki, ci etc filters become a lot, lot easier. Much easier for

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-24 Thread sebb
On 24/07/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/24/06, Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: I had a thought just now on the multiple list concept - and a positive reason for splitting the lists in general. By having lists

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-24 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Simon Kitching wrote: One problem is that of temporarily unsubscribing. We've all regularly seen what happens when someone goes on holiday for a few weeks and sets their email to auto-respond out of office without unsubscribing from these lists first. When there are 4 commons lists, how are

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Brett Porter
On 21/07/2006 2:08 PM, Simon Kitching wrote: Allowing people to subscribe to (mail+jira+commit) for a specific commons component seems to be to me what casual contributors would really need, but we have no easy way to do that without causing major damage to the whole commons community. Yes,

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Stephen Colebourne
This proposal has merit, in that it allows the main dev list room to breathe for discussion, which should be its primary purpose. It also has a very clear benefit in mail archive - in fact its really pretty essential for that. Some of the negative respones have focussed around what the needs

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/22/06, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, YMMV - the Maven lists are significantly busier than commons. That wasn't my feeling - we're not very busy at the moment but generally I thought commons-dev was one of the busier lists at the ASF. Comparing:

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/22/06, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposal suggests two new lists, but I'd argue thats unecessary. One for svn, jira, wiki and gump is all thats needed. Basically everythng that is non-discussion and *might* be regarded as 'spam'. So, +1 to one new list, commons-auto?

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Henri Yandell wrote: On 7/22/06, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, YMMV - the Maven lists are significantly busier than commons. That wasn't my feeling - we're not very busy at the moment but generally I thought commons-dev was one of the busier lists at the ASF. Comparing:

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Stephen Colebourne wrote: This proposal has merit, in that it allows the main dev list room to breathe for discussion, which should be its primary purpose. It also has a very clear benefit in mail archive - in fact its really pretty essential for that. Some of the negative respones have

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-22 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/22/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/06, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposal suggests two new lists, but I'd argue thats unecessary. One for svn, jira, wiki and gump is all thats needed. Basically everythng that is non-discussion and *might* be

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-21 Thread luc . maisonobe
Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Commit diffs are not spam, IMO, nor are issue reports / comments. This is core to what is happening on a project. This is true for someone deeply involved in the project life, but may be overwhelming for someone who only wants to keep an eye on the

RE: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-21 Thread Jörg Schaible
Henri Yandell wrote on Friday, July 21, 2006 2:16 AM: A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different mailing lists and it seems to be going well. So I'd like to suggest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-21 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Henri Yandell wrote on Friday, July 21, 2006 2:16 AM: A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different mailing lists and it seems to be going well. So I'd like to suggest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev That

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-21 Thread Dennis Lundberg
+1 -- Dennis Lundberg Brett Porter wrote: +1 to this proposal. I'd also suggest starting the list with the full list of subscribers so nobody is immediately impacted. - Brett On 21/07/2006 10:15 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-21 Thread Martin van den Bemt
+1 on both.. Although I would also like to see the wiki notifications moved to the commits list. The only thing that needs to be done to actually make this work, is to actually advertise the mailinglist splitup. I missed the fact at some projects (don't remember which ones though), there was a

[all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Henri Yandell
A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different mailing lists and it seems to be going well. So I'd like to suggest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] - reply-to to commons-dev I think the wiki notifications should stay on the dev list as

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Phil Steitz
I would rather that we find a way to reduce the JIRA noise, but only the part of it that really is noise. The real JIRA notifications and commit diffs are as important as the other stuff on this list - certainly as important as this message ;-) Phil On 7/20/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Brett Porter
+1 to this proposal. I'd also suggest starting the list with the full list of subscribers so nobody is immediately impacted. - Brett On 21/07/2006 10:15 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different mailing lists and it seems to be going

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/20/06, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather that we find a way to reduce the JIRA noise, but only the part of it that really is noise. The real JIRA notifications and commit diffs are as important as the other stuff on this list - certainly as important as this message ;-)

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1 Niall On 7/21/06, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this proposal. I'd also suggest starting the list with the full list of subscribers so nobody is immediately impacted. - Brett On 21/07/2006 10:15 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: A while back Maven moved to having the commits and

RE: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread James.Ring
Hi Henri, -Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 10:16 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: [all] Splitting the mailing list A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different mailing lists

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 7/20/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it as important for contributors? If I understand it correctly, the idea of this change (a bunch of projects seem to be moving this way) is that the developers see exactly what they used to see and the contributors get a less spammy list

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Phil Steitz
On 7/20/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it as important for contributors? If I understand it correctly, the idea of this change (a bunch of projects seem to be moving this way) is that the developers see exactly what they used

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Cooper
On 7/20/06, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it as important for contributors? If I understand it correctly, the idea of this change (a bunch of projects seem to be moving this

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Simon Kitching
On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 20:34 -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: On 7/20/06, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it as important for contributors? If I understand it correctly, the

Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list

2006-07-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On 7/20/06, Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the arguments about getting new contributors in, I would like to hear from them. That's an excellent idea.. Yup. James Ring is one of those, so his reply was quite a surprise (for me). Maybe a better email would be: