Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate them to some other systems entirely. :Let me precis several years' wishlisting on the topic: *

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes, tags can be translated too. Thanks, GerardM On 29 October 2010 09:32, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix Categories, but frankly IMO

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate them to some other

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 10:13 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name, rather a number (an id if you will). I would store the tag-i18n definitions in a separate Tag: namespace. Then you don't need to create the history tracking

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name,

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:01 heeft Bryan Tong Minh het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented as #REDIRECTs, maybe. [[Tag:Blume]] would redirect to [[Tag:Flower]],

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented as #REDIRECTs, maybe. [[Tag:Blume]] would redirect to [[Tag:Flower]], so a search

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: So [[Tag:Blume]] would never appear in wiki-text. Instead [[Tag:Flower]] or [[Tag:100]] (depending on the sytem we decide to use). And in sidebar (and whereever else tag_i18n is consulted) the currect language appears.

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:10 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented as

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Another idea: Instead of inventing new syntax or pseudo-HTML tags, why not use language links? On [[Tag:Flower]] [[en:Flower]] [[de:Blume]] Because you want to avoid using a single syntax for multiple purposes

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:13 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: So [[Tag:Blume]] would never appear in wiki-text. Instead [[Tag:Flower]] or [[Tag:100]] (depending on the sytem we decide to use). And in sidebar (and

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The terminology used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural, the use of latin names for organisms.. It is better for people to add new tags because otherwise they think it has to be like that. Thank, GerardM On 29

Re: [Commons-l] Active projects on Commons

2010-10-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The terminology used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural, the use of latin names for organisms.. It is better for people to add new

Re: [Commons-l] Extension:Tags-idea (was: Active projects on Commons)

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:29 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The terminology used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural,

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 28 Oct 2010, at 20:38, Maarten Dammers wrote: Op 28-10-2010 20:56, Gerard Meijssen schreef: Hoi, I am writing a series of blog posts about Commons. My aim is to identify the issues that I have with how it

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi guys, So we're having the tags discussion again? Pops up every once in a while. Tags is a step backwards compared to categories. With tags there is a relation between an object (a photo) and a word. No way of telling what the relation is, what language the tag is, no relations between tags

[Commons-l] Re : Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Otourly Wiki
Hi, In fact, there are so many improvements to do: - first IP should have their interface localised at any time, may be by cookies or browser setting language, I know it's not easy and so one... (there is a bug on bugzilla somewhere) - allow categories to be localised, I know it's not obvious, I

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 October 2010 17:55, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: One could search for a tag, and another and another narrowing down your search. I can't imagine how many times I was looking for something simple and being forced to make a specific choise in order to see a picture. Indeed.

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 okt 2010, om 19:35 heeft David Gerard het volgende geschreven: On 29 October 2010 17:55, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: One could search for a tag, and another and another narrowing down your search. I can't imagine how many times I was looking for something simple and being

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Andrea Zanni
in ontological structure - they already have the category tree. It's for the casual user to type in a few words they're thinking of. Think something like Getty Images. Commons is sorta like Getty Images except it's all free and the search sucks. And why not work on metadata? If you have

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When Chaim Potok wrote about crucifixions in My name is Asher Lev he wrote that they are part of the art of a painter. You will find suffering, love, beauty, devotion, belief all expressed in paintings. The western tradition is one where the proverb a picture paints a thousand words is

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, At the Europeana conference in Amsterdam they informed us about a museum where they had not only the terminology used by professionals, they also had labels that were added by the public. Analysis of the positive searches showed that 85% of the searches where because of labels only 15% was

Re: [Commons-l] Use labels in Commons and increase coverage

2010-10-29 Thread Andrea Zanni
2010/10/29 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, At the Europeana conference in Amsterdam they informed us about a museum where they had not only the terminology used by professionals, they also had labels that were added by the public. Analysis of the positive searches showed that