> -----Original Message----- > From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 December 2004 21:01 > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed > > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Smoke and Mirrors - isn't there a passage in the New Testament > > with something about sin and stones ? And it's amazing how high the > > political .... can stack without smell. But, anyway, that is history
> > so let's move on with our lives - after all, the only ones who > > really got hurt were the Avalon users, and the ASF establishment > > have already declared that they are not important. > > > > I've tried to stay out of this thread(s), but I just have to say, > "give me a break." James was one of Avalon's most visible users, and > I simply cannot stand to hear someone from Avalon criticize the ASF > establishment about the treatment of Avalon users. Serge: Perhaps it could be argued that the following list positions James as a visible user of dead, never released, unreproducible, redundant and unsupported technology? I couldn't say. But I would like to know if this is what you meant by the ASF establishment taking care of the James community? Dependency ASF Management Strategy avalon-framework-4.1.3.jar EXCALIBUR excalibur-pool-1.0.jar EXCALIBUR excalibur-logger-1.0.jar EXCALIBUR logkit-1.2.jar EXCALIBUR excalibur-thread-1.0.jar EXCALIBUR excalibur-datasource-1.0.jar EXCALIBUR excalibur-baxter-1.0a.jar DEAD excalibur-containerkit-1.0.jar DEAD excalibur-configuration-1.0.jar DEPRICATED excalibur-instrument-0.1.jar NEVER RELEASED excalibur-cli-1.0.jar REPLACE BY COMMONS CLI excalibur-io-1.1.jar REPLACE BY COMMONS IO cornerstone.jar UNRELEASED & UNREPODUCABLE excalibur-concurrent-1.0.jar DEAD excalibur-i18n-1.0.jar DEAD phoenix-client.jar DEAD excalibur-threadcontext-1.0.jar DEAD excalibur-collections-1.0.jar DEAD excalibur-extension-1.0a.jar DEAD excalibur-util-1.0.jar DEAD phoenix-bsh-commands.jar DEAD The above list is actually really interesting because it was a subject at the center of the first "critical drama" between the Chair, members of the board, and activate Avalon committers. The active committer community objected to the transfer of dead code from cvs to svn, arguing that the Avalon svn should contain the active alive code. Irrespective of the validity of this opinion - members of the board actively encouraged Aaron to ignore any PMC opinion and take an "executive" decision. In my mind (and I'm not alone) this was the start of a fallout between the chair, certain members of the board, and members of the Avalon development community. Stephen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
