Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-20 Thread Sylvain Wallez

Mark Thomas wrote:

Jean T. Anderson wrote:
  

I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry
that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to
embark on a path that could backfire.



Not exactly the same situation as yours but one of our users went off
on one a few months back and it looked like a flame war was about to
start. Rather than flame the guy (and boy was I tempted) I found that
an extremely polite reply taking every care to be reasonable whilst
quietly pointing out where he was wrong worked very well. I actually
got half a dozen messages from other users saying something along the
lines of Great reply. I was about to flame the insert favourite
adjective/noun combination here but your reply was much better. and
best of all, not a single flame in response on the users list.

For reference, my reply is here.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userm=113114296007215w=2

Most of the credit for what I wrote should go to those who responded
calmly to a similar rant of his on the dev list.
  


Reminds me of something that happened on cocoon-dev. One of the guys 
responsible for the death of Avalon tried to spit his venom in Cocoon.


I replied with a fake SpamAssassin report:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=109792613001037w=2

That could seems like feeding the troll, but the fact that it looked 
like an impersonal machine-generated message actually made him disappear.


Sylvain

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Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-20 Thread Jean T. Anderson

Sylvain Wallez wrote:

Mark Thomas wrote:


Jean T. Anderson wrote:
 


I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry
that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to
embark on a path that could backfire.




Not exactly the same situation as yours but one of our users went off
on one a few months back and it looked like a flame war was about to
start. Rather than flame the guy (and boy was I tempted) I found that
an extremely polite reply taking every care to be reasonable whilst
quietly pointing out where he was wrong worked very well. I actually
got half a dozen messages from other users saying something along the
lines of Great reply. I was about to flame the insert favourite
adjective/noun combination here but your reply was much better. and
best of all, not a single flame in response on the users list.

For reference, my reply is here.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userm=113114296007215w=2

Most of the credit for what I wrote should go to those who responded
calmly to a similar rant of his on the dev list.
  



Reminds me of something that happened on cocoon-dev. One of the guys 
responsible for the death of Avalon tried to spit his venom in Cocoon.


I replied with a fake SpamAssassin report:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=109792613001037w=2

That could seems like feeding the troll, but the fact that it looked 
like an impersonal machine-generated message actually made him disappear.


I think potentially *anything* could feed a troll, so then the goal is 
how to minimize troll effects on the community. I really like Mark's 
Gandhi approach for setting FUD straight, and I think the humor of your 
approach definitely merits a place in the anti-troll arsenal.


 -jean


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