Re: Mailing from apache email address
Brian Behlendorf wrote: Joshua and Joerg said you can just send mail as whomever you like through your local SMTP relay; and while that's usually true, some conservative sysadmins will only allow relaying through of mail claiming to be from a particular sender domain; furthermore it's becoming more common for port 25 outgoing to be filtered when coming from untrusted networks. Yes. I prefer not to fake the headers, which is why I asked the question. Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own localhost port X (X can be any value above 1024) to minotaur's localhost port 25; then in your mail client configuration, you set your SMTP server to be localhost, port X. When you send a message, your mail client will connect to localhost:X, relayed over your SSH connection to localhost:25 on minotaur. I do this, though not with apache.org's server In a similar way, you can use the POP service that runs on minotaur's localhost interface. Tunnel to localhost:110. Nice! Finally got this to work. It took me a while to realize that you really did mean localhost on minotaur -- i.e., something like ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 109:localhost:110 -L 24:localhost:25 Thanks. One more question: are there guidelines anywhere on when to use @apache.com email addresses? I have never used mine and would expect to use it only to subsribe to lists such as this, which is in fact what led to this question. I am not a PMC or ASF member, so I would never really be in a position to officially represent apache. Is there a policy on this? I will submit a patch to newbie.faq summarizing responses to this question and providing at least linux - mozilla instructions for setting up tunnelling, as well as filling in the missing bit on how to set up .forward. I assume from the discussion above, however, that tunnelling is entirely optional. Phil Brian On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Phil Steitz wrote: Apologies if the answer to this question is obvious and I have just not stumbled on it; but I am having a hard time legally sending mail from my apache email address. Short of logging in to minotaur via ssh and using pine, I know of no authenticated way to do this. I can't seem to connect my Mozilla mail client via SMTP. From the headers on mails from this and other apache lists, it looks like some folks are just modifying the headers. I can set up my local sendmail to push [EMAIL PROTECTED]; but that seems bogus to me. Even when I send from minotaur, the headers don't look right. Can someone give me a clue? What do other people do? Is there a doc on this somewhere? Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:52:29AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: certain IP addresses that could send mail that claimed to be From: an @apache.org address, in an attempt to prevent forged spam. But I'm sure the infrastructure team would make a lot of noise before doing that. As in noise against it. ;-) Would this scheme allow DNS entries per LHS of the email address? Then, there might be something to it - otherwise, feh. If I were to send a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], it should only originate from one machine - the one this one comes from - or am I really Justin at all? Muwhahaha. But, to expect us to tunnel all @apache.org originating email only from minotaur (accessible via SSH port forwarding or local origination) isn't realistic, IMHO. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:52:29 -0800 (PST) Brian Behlendorf wrote: ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 110:localhost:110 -L 25:localhost:25 Great! Works well. I do love it. Really great! Thank you, Brian. P.S. certain IP addresses that could send mail that claimed to be From: an @apache.org address, in an attempt to prevent forged spam. But I'm sure the infrastructure team would make a lot of noise before doing that. ROTFL! ;-) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
* Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forget SSH. Use TLS and SMTP AUTH. Proven, tried and true 90ies technology that works like a charm. ;-) Quite old, isn't it? SCNR, nd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
If I were to send a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], it should only originate from one machine - the one this one comes from - or am I really Justin at all? Muwhahaha. But, to expect us to tunnel all @apache.org originating email only from minotaur (accessible via SSH port forwarding or local origination) isn't realistic, IMHO. -- justin Forget SSH. Use TLS and SMTP AUTH. Proven, tried and true 90ies technology that works like a charm. ;-) big +1 ...but AFAIU this is not yet in place for the ASF. Or did I miss something? -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
Phil Steitz a écrit : Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Phil Steitz wrote: Nice! Finally got this to work. It took me a while to realize that you really did mean localhost on minotaur -- i.e., something like ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 109:localhost:110 -L 24:localhost:25 Sure. Though you don't need to use different ports. This would work fine: ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 110:localhost:110 -L 25:localhost:25 Yes, I changed the ports to avoid conflict with sendmail running locally. You could even use the ssh connection for your cvs access :) ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 110:localhost:110 -L 25:localhost:25 -L 2401:localhost:2401 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:52:29AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: certain IP addresses that could send mail that claimed to be From: an @apache.org address, in an attempt to prevent forged spam. But I'm sure the infrastructure team would make a lot of noise before doing that. As in noise against it. ;-) Would this scheme allow DNS entries per LHS of the email address? Then, there might be something to it - otherwise, feh. No, it's DNS-based; like a reverse MX record. If I were to send a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], it should only originate from one machine - the one this one comes from - or am I really Justin at all? Muwhahaha. But, to expect us to tunnel all @apache.org originating email only from minotaur (accessible via SSH port forwarding or local origination) isn't realistic, IMHO. -- justin Well, it works for CVS. Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
How about setting up SMTP AUTH over TLS? This is pretty simple (at least with sendmail) and you don't need to fiddle with SSH for sending mail. Don't we have a full fledged Java based mail server in the ASF? ;-) (ducks, runs) Regards Henning On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 23:25, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Joshua and Joerg said you can just send mail as whomever you like through your local SMTP relay; and while that's usually true, some conservative sysadmins will only allow relaying through of mail claiming to be from a particular sender domain; furthermore it's becoming more common for port 25 outgoing to be filtered when coming from untrusted networks. Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own localhost port X (X can be any value above 1024) to minotaur's localhost port 25; then in your mail client configuration, you set your SMTP server to be localhost, port X. When you send a message, your mail client will connect to localhost:X, relayed over your SSH connection to localhost:25 on minotaur. I do this, though not with apache.org's server. In a similar way, you can use the POP service that runs on minotaur's localhost interface. Tunnel to localhost:110. Brian On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Phil Steitz wrote: Apologies if the answer to this question is obvious and I have just not stumbled on it; but I am having a hard time legally sending mail from my apache email address. Short of logging in to minotaur via ssh and using pine, I know of no authenticated way to do this. I can't seem to connect my Mozilla mail client via SMTP. From the headers on mails from this and other apache lists, it looks like some folks are just modifying the headers. I can set up my local sendmail to push [EMAIL PROTECTED]; but that seems bogus to me. Even when I send from minotaur, the headers don't look right. Can someone give me a clue? What do other people do? Is there a doc on this somewhere? Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
On 7 Nov 2003, at 23:25, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own localhost port X (X can be any value above 1024) to minotaur's localhost port 25; then in your mail client configuration, you set your SMTP server to be localhost, port X. When you send a message, your mail client will connect to localhost:X, relayed over your SSH connection to localhost:25 on minotaur. I do this, though not with apache.org's server. Uh, didn't know that minotaur allowed that. You learn something new every day ;-) -- Stefano, who likes to have several options when email is concerned - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
Joshua and Joerg said you can just send mail as whomever you like through your local SMTP relay; and while that's usually true, some conservative sysadmins will only allow relaying through of mail claiming to be from a particular sender domain; furthermore it's becoming more common for port 25 outgoing to be filtered when coming from untrusted networks. Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own localhost port X (X can be any value above 1024) to minotaur's localhost port 25; then in your mail client configuration, you set your SMTP server to be localhost, port X. When you send a message, your mail client will connect to localhost:X, relayed over your SSH connection to localhost:25 on minotaur. I do this, though not with apache.org's server. In a similar way, you can use the POP service that runs on minotaur's localhost interface. Tunnel to localhost:110. Brian On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Phil Steitz wrote: Apologies if the answer to this question is obvious and I have just not stumbled on it; but I am having a hard time legally sending mail from my apache email address. Short of logging in to minotaur via ssh and using pine, I know of no authenticated way to do this. I can't seem to connect my Mozilla mail client via SMTP. From the headers on mails from this and other apache lists, it looks like some folks are just modifying the headers. I can set up my local sendmail to push [EMAIL PROTECTED]; but that seems bogus to me. Even when I send from minotaur, the headers don't look right. Can someone give me a clue? What do other people do? Is there a doc on this somewhere? Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
